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Honda Civic Sedan 2006
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I personally would take the LX. Sunroofs are okay but they loose a lot of headroom and you pay for it. The EX also weighs more...it's marginal, but it's there.
I think maybe perhaps what I'm not taking into account here is...maybe the new engines are the same as the HX engine. We just don't know it yet.
I think the problem with your Civic is, the newer ones just have a very high 5th gear (for the manual). I also owned a Civic Si, a 1990, and it was awesome! But try to drive that thing for 2000 miles from Spokane, Washington to Evansville, Indiana at 75 miles an hour. The hum of the 4000 rpms coming off that engine will drive you crazy!!! Fun is great for short distances. I bought an LX 4-door later, with less power and more weight and better gas mileage. The big difference between it and the Si is the LX had a taller 5th gear. So it felt sluggish if you punched it but it could match the Si in 0-60 times. I know...I timed it many times. It just didn't feel as lively because the top gear was tall. It was also much quieter driving that 2000 mile trip.
Since my LX got much better mileage than my Si, I would sometimes leave it in 4th gear for fun driving. It felt as alive as the Si when I did that. Well, almost...I guess the bright red color and black Recaro-style seats in the Si helped too :=)
Even an Si with navi is expected to be lower.
I bought my last car, a 1999 Accord, over the phone. I knew what I wanted and I called three different dealerships until they gave me the price I wanted. I liked it a lot because it's hard to intimidate someone over the phone. It's also easier to hang up a phone than to walk out of a dealership. I saved gas and time too and got the car I wanted for $800 under MSRP.
Anyway, a few quick points:
-Nice engine. Very smooth, seemed peppy enough. I tried to get an RPM at 60, and it seemed to be ~2600 RPM. A little higher than I would like, but I really need to see accurate test results to be sure where it was at.
-Clutch and shifter seemed typical Honda, although it seemed to be a long reach to 3rd gear (I had a little trouble finding it at first, just wasn't where I expected it to be).
-Lots of room up front, very airy, and still enough room in the rear for my 6' self to sit behind me. Trunk also seemed big enough, nice and square with a big opening.
-The big debate issues didn't bother me at all. THe steering wheel felt fine, even with 2 spokes. THere is actually a bump at 6:00 for you to hook your thumb on, in case you miss the 3rd spoke (not that other Hondas have it anyway). And, the speedo was not distracting at all, and very easy to check without taking your eyes off the road. I would, however, like to see it at night to see if it was distracting.
-Only thing I am not sure about is actually the drivers seat. The cushion was long enough (finally), but I didn't really get comfy in it. It seemed to be softer than I expected, with maybe too much lumbar (but I did get used to it on our Odyssey) that can't be adjusted. I definitely need to spend more time with a prepped car to see how well I can get adjusted to the seats. It would also help if it wasn't covered in plastic.
-Great center console. The handnrake is neat, and frees up space. BIg cupholder area with cover, hugh sotrage console, lots of little bins. The sliding armrest is very nice, and is a perfect height to rest your arm on while shifting (since the shifter sits higher than before).
Overall, I liked it a lot, and can see myself in one, but only if I can spend more time proving that the seats will be good for my back. The Accord seats overall were more comfy to me.
Oh, speaking of Accords, they had a ton of '06s on hand. The comparable Accord to the Civic EX 5 speed (an EX cloth 5 speed) is ~$4200 more (18.8K vs. 23K), and other than room and some HP, there is very little feature difference between them that I could tell.
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I felt the car was smaller than I expected.
My reaction exactly.
The OGR for automatic 5th gear = 0.525 * 4.437 = engine turns 2.3 times for every turn of the axle.
The OGR for manual 5th gear = 0.727 * 4.294 = engine turns 3.1 times for every turn of the axle.
BTW, this is one of the reasons I'll consider buying an automatic Civic to replace my 2003 Civic EX manual. I'm getting a little tired of the high revs on the highway.
I sat in an Acura TSX and it felt as small as a Civic! I terminated the test drive before even turning the key, because I couldn't see spending $28K for that.
My complaint with the last generation Civic wasn't size, it was other issues - use of flipper door handles when VW and Corolla moved to pull out handles, late to the game in offering CD players standard (and then having a weak sound system), but, most of all, in having a mediocre suspension system. They seem to be addressing the suspension this time around, but they are re-inventing the Dodge Neon (with Intrepid style raked glass front and rear) and not reinventing the car.
By the way I have 6-speed Accord and 6th gear is pretty tall at 30 mile per hour per thousand RPM. My mileage rates are only slightly lower than the Si Civic being 20/30.
YMMV,
MidCow
Not to keep mentioning Accords but that's the car I've driven since late 1998. It has about 8% less horsepower per pound than the new Civic, and uses a 4-speed auto instead of a 6-speed manual. But it will do it in 7.4 seconds. I've actually done it in 7.25 seconds, with my automatic. I'd think the Si could at least break 7 seconds. Come on here! Where is all that power going? I'll get a DX before I'll get an EX.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I'd still add a VP in between. Or maybe offer an option package on the DX that includes- you guessed it- a CD player and A/C.
My friend has the Accord 4 cylinder with the 5 speed; she formerly had a 6 cylinder Accord, last generation, and has no complaints about acceleration. I think that's great, and love 4 cyinders.
First accord coupe comes stardard with 166 hp, to achieve the 244 hp it costs 27,000 6mt. Also MPG is 21/30 (not better than civic si). Your just wrong the 2006 Honda Civic Si is well done and ill soon get it. Also someone said something about premuim gas costing x% more. Premium costs .20 extra.
Frank kent honda - has a bunch of sedans and getting some everyday, coupes coming in within next 3-4 days ( they are selling the sedans a little bit below msrp )
Vandergriff honda - got some in friday night and getting some in tommorow night 5-7 days for coupe but they are hopeing b4 weekend
huggins honda - sedans in saying in 7-10 days for coupe, just gotta warn you horrible service way worse than other 2 this dealership isn't even in running on where i should buy the lx coupe
huggins honda
A 5-speed manual Accord 4-cylinder would be in the low 7's for 0-60 and get 24/34 on regular fuel with a price of $18,225 for the value package.
Re your post #1397, disk brakes are much better than drum brakes at dissipating heat, so they minimize brake fade. They dry almost immediately after driving through puddles, since centrifical force throws the water off on a tangent, instead of it remaining trapped in the drums where it causes potentially dangerous loss of braking. Replacing disk pads is much easier than dismantling drum brakes to replace brake shoes. It's therefore much less expensive.
Do you need any more reasons?
No, drum brake equipped vehicles such as the Civic LX cannot be economically upgraded to disk brakes. That's EX territory.
As I understand it, the Si is still at the top of 2nd when it reaches 58 mph, So if you could settle for a 0-58 time, I'll bet it comes in much quicker. That shift up to 3rd to make sixty probably effects the time substantially. Knowing this little piece of info tells me it's going to be pretty quick.
Anyhow 25 year old son is looking for a sporty car and an Si is not too too much money. We had 3 accords and he probably thinks that they are somewhat for old folks like me, even though the V6 is fast. I have read many of the posts on this board and find them quite educational and interesting. Trying to come up with a good safe care that will last, TSX sounds great but too expensive, Acura RSX great but Si is cheaper for what is just about the same car. Been a member on Edmunds for years and always come here when looking at new wheels. Thanks Old Mike
For that kind of money, I'd probably get a Honda Accord LX V6 Coupe.
That 2.4L 4 cylinder is very punchy though...
Hmmm...
Si could be good, but insurance will be high relative to other vehicles (all else equal). Gas mileage may be a concern, regardless of what the EPA says.
Do you have other criteria besides sporty and durable?
Here is the problem. I test drove a 2006 mazda i (2.0L) manual right after the honda. I liked the Mazda much better. The mazda was optioned with abs and side airbags so the price comparison is apples to apples. The mazda3 was $110 cheaper, but comes with alloy wheels, 6-speaker, ambient temp, volume control on steering wheel.
The 3 had much more low end torque. Very noticeable. RPM at 75mph was 3400. The civic was 3300 at 75mph. The honda has a delay in the engine when you rev it (makes heel toe shifting more difficult).
Not trying to start a war here, but I started the day planning on buying a Civic and will probably buy a 3. The Honda is rated with better fuel econ 28/35 to 30/38 for the Civic which is significant but consumer reports shows better then the ratings for the 3's fuel econ.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I have never been able to buy the Civic because my shoulders won't fit the seat. I fit fine in an Accord, Corolla, or Prizm. Any year.
I love the Civics but I just don't fit. Please tell me the 2006 is wider with a wider seat. I get claustrophobic.
Currently my wife has a 2004 Accord EX, we share a 2005 Odyssey, and I get around in a 1998 Chevrolet Prizm (Corolla clone) that is starting to break down. (Compressor went last week)
Thanks.