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The creaky seat and the rattling power door lock slider/switch thing in the beack seat was another story.
i trust, it will be more noticeable when the tank is almost filled.
don't let this detract from your enjoyment of the vehicle. right now your brain is listening for the discrepant. soon it will be background. say a week or two.
Good luck with a fix...or learning to ignore it!
I've never heard the gas tank, FWIW.
I have heard water trapped in my Miata's door sills slosh around, though.
Also, they are not interchangeable with the 7 seat models. Those have different anchors in the floors, and alloy a center console between the 1st and 2nd rows.
8 seat models only fit one, between the 1st row.
I too thought wood was limited to the XLE and up models.
But there are so many packages for the LE (13 I think) that we should not be surprised.
Okay, okay I know different people have different tastes, but I still think it's funny. :shades:
Another is that silver reflects light more and can cause glare, depending on where it is. Ford Edge is a major offender, as the reflection blinds part of the windshield.
Mostly, though, it's just personal taste.
I call painted silver "pluminum", i.e. plastic made to look like aluminum trim. The Audi TT looked so good that everyone had to try to copy them, except with low-cost plastic.
I'm just thrown off by the wood grain and the power hatch.
I will, however, take another look at the back of her van to see for myself so I'll know that I'm not crazy!
As far as I can tell the Sienna has the following above the Odyssey: rear zone automatic climate control, power liftgate, 3rd row window sunshades, trip computer, fog lights, daytime running lights, headlight dusk sensor, better sound system, and slightly more horsepower.
The only things we really care about in that list are rear zone automatic climate control, power liftgate, 3rd row window sunshades, trip computer, and fog lights. Fog lights and 3rd row window shades could be installed on the Odyssey for around $600 or less. That leaves rear zone automatic climate control, power liftgate, and trip computer, for which we would be willing to spend another $900.
So all in all, we would be willing to spend $1500 more for the Sienna (or max $2000 taking into account the options we don't care for). But that is still far away from the $3200 difference we currently see in quotes for the two vans.
Does anyone like to voice an opinion why the Sienna may nevertheless be the better option?
If so, the Sienna is "the better option" because it will make you happy.
If not, your choice is clear - buy the Honda.
however, as another person posted, it seems as if you really want the sienna, and if you don't get it, you'll be unsatisfied.
so, you either need to make a mental adjustment, or go in and ask for them (for nothing), or be willing to offer what you're willing to pay for these features based on the value you feel they add vs. what the dealership is saying they add to the picture...
but you knew that.
Toyota has 2 inches more road clearence. Off pavement this could be significant.
Hmmm....tirerack.com lists 9 different tires for this vehicle ranging in price from $88 to $278 each.
as for vehile clearance, i've seen a number of hitches on siennas that looked EXTREMELY low to the ground. if they had more clearance than the Honda, you wouldn't think so.
the XLE's are priced about $2000 less to be more inline with the Odyssey. They made the fog lights, tow package, and ten speaker stereo system optional to reduce the price. I am a sales consultant with a Toyota dealer in Milwaukee, WI.
I agree the 99 to 04 Honda's had some quality issues, but to Honda's credit they seem to do a good job of taking care of their customers(particularly on the transmissions)and that's something that doesn't show up in Consumer Reports. If I recall right you had the 04 model, so you never really gave the 05's and newer much of a chance other then a cursory test drive and it sure appeared to me you had your mind made up before you got that far.
When we were looking, our two final choices were the Honda and Toyota. We liked the styling and handling of the Honda better. We thought road noise was about the same between the two. All those are very subjective traits.
Anyway the great thing about Democracy is that you can disagree and not have to kill each other. All I'm saying is that I think the Honda is a little better vehicle then you made it out to be.
now, in keeping with that level of research and comparison shopping, and also since you have waited sooooo long (good for you) for the new ride... when you get the new vehicle home, read the owner's manual cover-to-cover and enjoy.
Actually bobber1, I'm sorry but I am going to have to kill you now. kidding of course :P
So, fair enough. But to be totally honest, I was set to upgrade to the new Ody - because of the ride/handling and styling, which I've always maintained were Honda strengths. After our test drive of the 07 EXL-RES, I was al over it and wanted to buy it that day, in spite of being somewhat disenchanted with our '04. My wife, being the more level headed of the two of us, made me wait. This was probably a good thing for me because I spent time reading CR and blogs like this and others and gradually changed my mind. It did seem that some of the issues that are present on our 04 had been corrected with the new model, but it was really CR's "average" reliability index that finally put the nail in the coffin for the Ody as far as I was concerned. Those little annoyances just get under my skin - I'm a bit of a perfectionist I guess. I still think the Ody has its merits and is a great car - I loved driving ours recently on a trip to Southern CA.... I just maintain that for a person like myself, the Sienna is a better choice. Although it concedes to the Honda on certain points, it wins on the ones that matter most to me. We have been absolutely thrilled with our Sienna Limited, but it's probably not a fair comparison as the Limited model is really much more a Lexus than a Toyota.... But if I seem to beat up on the Ody, it's probably because the automotive press is so gushy over it and my expectations were very high when we bought it and although I've always enjoyed driving it, I've been unhappy with the way it's held up cosmetically, and the minor "breakdowns" that occur regularly.
That's mainly because the automotive press will praise anything that drives more like a car than a van. The Odyssey drives much like an Accord (fairly firm, sporty, not as smooth as Toyota), whereas the Sienna drives, well, like a van (smooth but kind of numb). THAT'S why they gush over the Honda. It drives like a Honda!
My aunt has a 2005 Odyssey, and it has had some little issues that my family has never had with Accords or Civics (misaligned tailgate from factory, squeaky driver's door handle inside, etc...)
Bottom line is you should pick the one you prefer, not what anyone here says. You'll be the one driving it and making the payments.
I did feel the Ody handled a bit better, while the Sienna had a better ride. Ody is more a driver's car, while Sienna is a bit better at coddling the passengers.
You want a lazy susan, or a 3rd row seat that can be faced back for tailgating?
Sienna has power vented windows for the 3rd row, the 2nd row seats tumble, it's ready to tow (Ody needs oil coolers), and the stereo plays MP3s.
I believe the Ody has better lighting on the power window buttons, and I'm sure there are a few other little things like that.
Most of these are subtle differences. I really wanted that 8th seat the Sienna has, which is comfortable for 3 adults in the 2nd row. That and the engine sold me on the Toy.
Steering with some feedback/feel, less numbness and slop in the steering/handling. A quicker steering ratio helps that feel too.
I actually get that - and don't get me wrong because I do like those qualities. But I guess I prefer the smoothness and quiet of the Sienna. I haven't really noticed the steering being sloppy or non-communicative, although there is definately less "road feel", but there's also a lot less NVH - which I like. The one thing that makes the Ody feel more athletic, if you will, is that it seems better able to make quick transitions, which would be better for driving on, say, a mountain switchback. But I don't do that kind of driving very often. Most of our driving is around town and on the freeway occasionally, where the smoother ride is more appreciated.
You say numbness and slop, but a Sienna owner might call that luxurious isolation and refinement.
It all depends on what you're looking for.
My other car is a Miata, so I understand the benefits of feedback and steering feel, believe me. I just don't find that stuff important in the family hauler.
To me, the priority was comfort, isolation, smoothness, low NVH levels, etc.
To get that I'm willing to accept the light steering and the body roll that basically goes with the territory.
For my Miata, I wanted the exact opposite. :shades:
That's not really fair, as Toyota's V6 is new and Honda is working on updates that will appear in the Accord this fall.