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BUCKLE UP, KIDS!
Only after a couple of bowls of feijoada.
For those who didn't get it.
HOWEVER the point is that the aftermarket DVD is not covered under warranty, but the Honda RES IS covered under warranty.
Unless you buy from Circuit City and they go out of business.
Actually mine's still covered by Clarion.
The funny thing is CC tried to sell me an extended warranty. I laughed, of course, but the salesman told me the warranty was secured by GE Capital, warranty insurance basically. So it would still be valid even though CC closed.
So I thought, I'll just stick with my $ 150.00 seat backs for the new one too.
2010 Odyssey EX-L w/ DVD and NAV
or
2010/11 Toyota Sienna SEL w/ DVD and Nav
which one can I get my moneys worth for the best price. I think we are leaning more toward 2010 Odyssey
I just searched and Fitzgerald Toyota has 109 Sienna and not a single 2010 remaining. Search on fitzmall.com if you feel up to it, they list no-haggle prices.
Any how, Honda has bigger incentives right now, since a new model is around the corner. My co-worker is actively shopping and said there was a $3000 incentive (that sounds high to me, it could be wrong, could be the total dealer discount).
She's finding smaller discounts on the Sienna. Dealers aren't dealing as much. Sienna sales were up 40% in April so it's not a buyer's market right now. New model, high demand, they figure they don't have to discount as much.
Also, you can't get the SE model with Navigation, it would have to be an XLE.
You're likely to get better deals right now from Honda.
Good luck shopping. :shades:
http://www.autoloandaily.com/loan-news/car-deals/rebates-and-incentives/2136-may- -2010-foreign-car-incentives-0-car-loan
Honda - Honda has dramatically scaled back its incentives in May. Honda offered the "really big thing" lease program the past two months, with no money due at lease signing on several models. In May, Honda is only offering auto loan incentives. Shoppers can buy a 2010 Accord sedan, coupe or Crosstour or a Civic sedan or coupe with a 0.9% auto loan for 24 to 36 months or 1.9% for 37 to 60 months.
It's Murphy's Law. Last year I bought a Miata, 18 days later the incentives went up. Now she's shopping, hesitates, and the incentives drop. What can you do? :confuse:
Can't 2nd guess the market.
Her best price quote right now is an XLE for just under $30 grand. She may buy that. The salesman showed her the heated leather/moonroof and she fell in love. The LE is arguably a better value but you know how it goes...once you fall in love, you won't be happy with anything less.
If she has a quote for an XLE Sienna for less than 30K, that sounds very good. Availability of the 2011 Sienna is much better in my area than the 2010 Odyssey. One of my local Toyota dealers is showing over 30 units in stock on their web page.
I did read about Honda trucks being in short supply on Automotive News.
She has a standing offer with a Toyota dealer, and they do with her, but neither side has come to an agreement yet.
She got Silver over gray, $26k even, plus tax and tags. MSRP was $29.9k so that seems like a reasonable discount.
I'll ask her about it in a week or so, once they've driven it around a bit.
I'd like to hear how the 4-cyl feels everyday (probably just fine), merging/passing at highway speeds (I've got doubts). Juice, you're the go-to Sienna-guy; don't let me down. :shades:
It's funny because I was one of the first to check out the interior of the new Sienna (at the DC Auto Show) but I still have not driven a 2011+.
I'm all for fuel economy but the sheer size and payload that goes in minivans would send me looking to the V6. I forget which car magazine tested both, but they actually got worse mileage in the 4 banger because it worked so hard to keep up all the time.
I checked one out this weekend, because people had complained about kids possibly tripping on that base when trying to get to the back.
What I found, though, is that you'd be more likely to slide the outboard seat forward to gain access to the 3rd row. It opens a pretty huge gap for more direct access vs. squeezing between the seats in the 2nd row.
The seat base gives you a little storage nook and two extra cup holders when the middle seat is not in use, but it does stick up an inch or two.
It looks ghey - it gets dirty - kids walk all over it on the way to the back.
Forget the storage "nook" and the cupholders on the floor, and give me a nice flat floor with carpet please.
Plus the way the middle seat BOLTS into the drivers side 2nd row seat is also ghey - where it bolts through some giant rubber grommet thing that looks ghey. On the Sienna I looked at which was 2 days old at the dealer, that rubber grommet already was torn and had grease on it.
Ghey all day :shades:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1d8cc1/398#MSG398
By far the biggest let down is the 8th seat. :sick:
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/ratingsbyseries.aspx?id=422
So the new Sienna earned Good scores in front, side, head restraint, and roof crush resistance. The roof held up more than 4 times the van's weight, which is darn impressive given how much these vehicles weigh.
Now that my 99 Forester has 190K miles on it, I am looking to replace it. I show dogs so have been researching vans in anticipation of this for awhile and the Odyssey and Sienna are my top choices. I drive about 17K miles a year and most of it is highway traveling to dog shows. Don't need fancy. Just need a safe, reliable vehicle with plenty of cargo room
I want to spend between 12-14K and live in MT. I know this is not going to buy me anything close to new but I have the 14K in cash so that might go a little further than if I had to finance.
In my area (area in MT being under 240 miles) there are the following vans listed at dealerships:
2004 Odyssey LX (basic model) with 52K miles - $13K
2006 Sienna LE with 85K miles - $15K
2007 Sienna LE with 43K miles - $17K
2005 Sienna XLE with 72K miles - $18K
Obviously all the Sienna's are over the 14K but I figure I have at least a shot to get the 2006 in my price range. My questions are these:
1) This will be the first non-Subaru that I will be buying and I am used to having a vehicle that I does not have significant repair issues until you get close to the 200K range. How much life do these Sienna's have? If I bought one with 85K - how much more miles should I expect to get out of it before I run into more than routine servicing? How about the Odyssey? 52K seems pretty low for an 04, particularly in Montana where you drive quite a bit to get to places.
2) I have been told to go 2005 or younger on the Odyssey - based on this should I skip looking at this vehicle?
3) Are these prices rock bottom for these vehicles in your opinion or do I have some haggle room?
4) Barring any major issues that knock them out of the running, how would you rank them in order of looking at?
5) Or should I just suck it up and buy a one way ticket to a major city like Denver and hope to find something there?
Sorry for the book - just trying to cover my bases and pick all your brains Thanks for any and all help that you all can give me!
A lot of our show friends have the Sienna. Others have the Odyssey.
Good luck on your search.
I'd be concerned about pre-2005 Odysseys due to the significant transmission problems many of them had. You can probably search the forums here for details.
With Siennas, just avoid any pre-2004 models. The 1MZ V6 was the sludgy engine, 2003 and prior models. 04-06 had the 3MZ V6, which was fine. 07+ got the 2GR and has also been fine.
I'd recommend 07+ Ody and 04+ Sienna.
I went from a 98 Forester to a 2007 Sienna and we've been happy.
We did miss the AWD so we got a 2009 Forester as well. :shades:
Maybe it did, but you're correct, CR shows an improvement even back in 04.
So 04 or newer for both is a good rule of thumb.
And, yes, Juice, you're right, the 07 Ody had a second improvement to the tranny (the Ridgeline 3 shaft one), but there still are complaints on shudders.
Otherwise, claim for MPG is still 19city / 28 hwy
Datasheets / transcript:
http://hondanews.com/categories/1097/releases/5482
http://hondanews.com/categories/1097/releases/5481
Ultra wide screen, looks like they'll match the swagger wagon's. Cool box, too, is new, sorta Chrysler-ish.
No AWD or power 3rd row?
I gotta bookmark your link because I don't have time to read that whole story right now, but thanks.
Middle seat looks similar to current one, with what looks to be a wider base, but narrower back. The trick, I think, is that the outbound seats can move out, thereby providing more space for like a car seat in the middle.
More pics here:
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=905098
Interior looks pretty clever.
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
In wide mode, you end up with 2" gaps between the seats, which means stuff will fall down to the ground. They should have just made the center seat 4" wider and used wide mode all the time.
Comfort slide = Front and Center on my 2007 Sienna, except the seat appears to be 11-13" wide or so. My seat is a full 20" wide. It's still a night-and-day difference.
Any how, it is significantly better than the outgoing Ody's 8th seat and even looks better than the new Sienna's, plus no base to get tangled up in between the seats.
Overall, though:
old Sienna > new Ody > new Sienna > old Ody
For seating arrangements.
Honda did manage to keep the outer arm rests, at least. Plus that arrangement will come on "select models", same problem with Toyota where not all models get it.
Honda added stuff Sienna's had for a while - I have puddle lights and power lumbar on my 07 LE. They also get a big rims (18", though Sienna offers 19") and ultra-wide screen to counter the swagger wagon.
I have plenty of questions...
1. Does the 2nd row tumble forward? In the video it didn't.
2. Where the spare? That model had run-flats, what about others?
3. Is the lazy susan gone, then?
4. Powertrain - HP? Trans?
Styling is subjective and would be a very low priority for me in this class, but count me in the camp that thinks the rear 1/3rd of this vehicle seems like it's falling off. The whole back of it sags. The black rear spoiler at the top/rear doesn't help - it should at least be body color.
Front view is the best. Rear is OK, if a bit bland. Again, though, who really cares. The interior looks great, but I have to see it/touch it. The Sienna looked improved but feels worse.
They still haven't hidden the sliding door seam. I guess they kept the door track low to add space to the 3rd row, but it really slices and dices the profile view.
28mpg sounds amazing, let's see when powertrain details come out.
So, mixed feelings overall. The 8th seat was crucial to me, and I wouldn't be happy with either of these, though this Ody does seem better than the new Sienna. Still, I'd get a left over or CPO 2010 Sienna to get a real, 20" wide seat instead, and pass on the bling-bling big rims and flashy but overpriced entertainment options (Toyota wants $2500 for theirs).
9,357 Siennas vs. 9,271 Odys in June.
Of course the new Ody is right around the corner, but with the price advantage on the Honda now I didn't expect that to happen.
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