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There was nobody within ear shot to hear the dealer tell me that the car was never titled. Doesn't matter though. The car did come with the 0.0 finance and FORD is telling me that I am the only owner. :confuse: So there is evidence enough right there of misdoings.
I did call the State of WI today and they are sending me a complaint packet. I talked to Ford again and they won't even give me their legal dept. address and told me that they will only give that out to a lawyer.
I told them if they reset my warranty to my day 1, May 8th 2008 I will be more than happy. They said again that they cant do it.
So I am in a really strange place right now with all of this and told them if I had known that I would be subject to this dealers flat out deception, I would not have flown from Buffalo to Milwaukee to be part of this. I did have other options.
Just too bad I didn't think I needed to verify by Carfax a new car purchase. I believe a lawyer would be able to have some fun with this for the simple fact of what's on some of my paperwork that shame on me, I didn't pay enough attention to at the dealer. I have boxes checked that indicate the car has new factory warranty, is a demo, is a used demo, my esp is for 60 months 75K and that my esp is for 72 months and 75K. I did verify that with Ford that it is in fact the 72 months.
Friday I will offer the dealer one last chance to make this right, how I don't know, and they will reject any such notion and then I may say well you can take the car back to which they will decline and I will stew about this all weekend and then contact an atty.
All that for a lousy 14 months of warranty and I am even willing to forget about the second title if they reset the warranty. But that's not the way this is going. This is really uncool on both paties. The dealer in particular, but also Ford's reaction of basically telling me it is a dealer issue even though I informed them they are equally guilty of the deception in light of giving me the 0.0% on the new leftover 07.
By the way I notice a whistling sound whern the car is under medium to hard acceleration in second gear. any thoughts on that?
Thanks guys.
The car was previously titled as I found out, to the dealer who told me today that if some one who doesn't physically work at the dealership drives the car as a demo they have to title it in WI and that FORD is aware of this and that's why they tell me I am the first owner. CARFAX says otherwise andthat is not what they told me prior to me flying out there to pick the car up. They said "It's a new car although a demo and has NEVER BEEN TITLED"
I suspect a family member of the dealer drove the car and as such it was previously titled. My question is when you were doing business, signing papers, & buying the car, did not the dealer show you a WI title in the name of the original buyer and that buyer's signature releasing the title to you? Somewhere in the process you were duty bound to recognize such a document.
Were there "Dealer" plates or "Owner" plates on the car? If "Dealer" = deception! :mad:
The car was registered to the dealer as I found out on the registration receipt that was in the glove box. There was no buyer's signature releasing it to me. Carfax show the car to be a corporate lease for a period of 12 days. I'm guessing some went on a cross country trip or something like that.
And just to be clear.....DEALER DECEPTION regardless in light of the warranty start date at the very least on a new demo 07.
08 GT Premium w/ Auto
The exterior package.. whichever includes the hood scoop
Shaker 500
48 miles
Sound like a deal? I was trying for $25,500 out the door. They let us walk but I told them several times I was not set on the mustang and wanted to try out the G8 GT before finalizing any offers.
You made a very reasonable demand relative to the warranty and it was rejected. Your only recourse now is to scream "fraud" as loud as you can. While it's not likely that the factory warranty will be extended, it seems to me that the dealer should, at a minimum, pay for all of the EW.
MSRP $31,988
Automatic Transmission
HID's
Interiour Upgrade
GT Appearance Pkg
Ambient Lighting
Shaker 500
18" two-tone Aluminum wheels (looks very nice with Vapor Metallic)
Houston, TX
What does everyone think? Is it even worth getting a V6 mustang or is the GT that much better of a car?
I would not have ever considered v6.
A shady car dealer is just they type of story they love to do.
NO dealer can handle stand bad press in this market place.
You need to look at your paper work for things that indicate that the dealer sold you a new car. If the dealer completed new car paper work instead of used car paper work, this is fraud and you can get a lawyer involved or the state consumer protection dept
the OTD price is $23,000
What is the best price that you are thinking?
My Bullitt arrived in February 2008 and I've been having a blast. I quickly learned how to drive a manual transmission, and I've had it up to 140 MPH on one of the local hignways.
I also find people looking at my car when I park it in a public place.
I foten play Sheryl Crow's "Steve McQueen: song when crusing on Woodward Avenue. I plan on entering it in this year's Woodward Cruise.
I also have the MCQUEEN license plate for the State of Michigan on the car. How cool is that?
Best Regards,
Jeff McQueen
You can see photos of my car at www.imboc.com
My License plate reads IMCOOL
The state determined the paperwork was in fact shady. And I did go to the State Consumer Protection dept. actually! But I never felt like I wanted to get a lawyer involved although it was close because of teh arrogance or feigned innocence of the dealer.
Shame on me for forgetting to update this on here So cccompson was exactly correct in what I ended up with. The State of WI in their investigation determined basically that I was wronged on this. Although they stated the paperwork was not filled out properly by the dealer which led to the confusion. Duh!!
So they contacted the dealer and then contacted me. The dealer Gordie Boucher Ford in Menominee Falls, WI. offered to settle with me by proposing three options.
1. They would give me $300 cash.
2. They would pay the $100 deductible during my extended warranty period.
3. They would extend the full ESP for an additional year.
The State of WI. representitve told me that option #3 would be best for me because it would be just like another year on my original warranty. I politely explained to her that is not true as the ESP as good as it is does not cover everything bumper to bumper and also comes with a $100 deductable. So while the ESP is great it's not quite the same I explained.
Anyways, sorry to explain this so many months later and Mark I certainly appreciate your input man! I decided to accept option #3 which gets me very close to where I should have been to start with. I am comfortable with this solution but dissapointed that the dealer made me do this.
They could have simply offered this to me after my original complaint and we would have been good.
I'm glad to hear that that things got a little closer to netural between you and that Ford dealer. Nothing takes the place of being able to look back and walking away!
We have all been there at one time or another!
BroncoLes
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So are you saying you got it for $25,855?
Anyone know if Ford Credit will negotiate the buy out price should I decide that I want to keep the car? Can I negotiate directly with them or must I go through a dealer? Can I use any dealer or must I deal with the dealer I leased the car from? If I decide to return the car, can I return it to any Ford dealer or must I return it to the dealer I leased it through?
That should do me for now. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
I found one that I'm not sure whether it's a good deal or not. The Kelly Blue Book states the car is worth about $4110 in Excellent condition for Retailer pricing. Everything seems all right (they claim everything works, but if I go to check it out, I'm gonna be pretty scrutinizing), and they want about $3995 for it.
My only issue is the mileage. It's got about 162,525 miles on it. Is this even worth buying? Note: It does have a custom paint job and "highly customized interior".
Here's the link for the Cars.com ad: 1999 Ford Mustang
And my son in California bought one earlier this year. '97 or '98 Mustang V6 with 80K on the clock for around $4K. From what I've been told - I haven't seen the car myself - the car is in near perfect condition.
So, it can be done.
FORDS ARE JUNK......................
p.s. I am only replying because of the troll message before me by l.t. who may be able to afford finer cars for a lot more money. But let me tell you for the money the 07 vert cali spec that I bought has been the best car of my life and my wife LOVES it also so thats a nice bonus. I was so close to buying a Cadillac CTS which I think would also have been the most fun car of my life but in a very different manner.
Hey L T, lemon my [non-permissible content removed]. This FORD ROCKS! :shades: Sorry if you didn't get what you wanted though. Seriously
I've poked around on some pricing websites and for what I'd be interested in I'm seeing $1500 or so off msrp plus incentives. I'm leasing a 2008 V6 Premium convert that has to go back end of March. I think it's a great car - fun to drive, got all the bells and whistles, haven't had a single problem with it. The buyout is around $22K and I'm thinking of buying it. I know the car, the mileage is a little less than 15k and there's still a year left on the bumper to bumper. So far it doesn't look like they'll negotiate the buy out price, but I'm still trying. From what I've seen around used, the car might be worth close to $22k in the open market. Also I'm not a real big fan of the new body style - the back end looks shorter than mine. That's just a matter of taste. The other thing is that they don't sell the new Mustang in the color I have - vapor metallic - and everyone who sees that color loves it.
Tough decision. Ford will give me an additional $1500 off a new one because I'm a current leasing customer. They don't have a current leasing program on the new Mustang, so to lease a new one would not be cost effective. Of course if you don't like the product there's little sense in going for a new one.
Joe
I hear that they'll accept X-Plan participants and they are now placing their personal orders on 2011 models...so, that's about, say, ~ $2,500 ~ off...or so....not too bad for a brand new "enhanced" play toy.
Plenty of Wiggle Room on 2010 models. Get yours now before only the 'dogs' are the only leftovers.
3000 rebate
500 rebate using Ford financing (8.5% with excellent credit). No pre-payment penalty.
I was already pre-approved through Bank of America for 3.8 for 60 months, so I'll be refinancing the loan before my first payment. I usually pay my cars off in 3 years or less.
Also added:
7 year warranty: 1600
Gap insurance: 340
Total: 26940 OTD
Turns out I should have asked for a better price on the 7 year warranty. A 3 year warranty comes with the car, so really, I paid 1600 for 4 years or 400/year. Can't win'em all . Besides, the car is an excellent ride. I'm happy with my purchase.
I financed around $21k for four years. My bank offered me 3.75 which included discounts for direct debit and existing customer. The dealer got me 3.44% for four years from Fifth Third Bank. I'm in the NYC metro area if this makes a diff. I have top credit. Hope this helps.
It is a bright blue 2011 V6 Mustang (base model) with automatic transmission and a spoiler added on. The price of the car is $24,200 with the dealer giving me a selling price of $21,000. After TTL, the car comes out to $22,600 OTD. I live in Texas.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Thank you very much for the help!
- Kate