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DODGE DAKOTA QUAD CAB
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learned today that if I join Farm Bureau, I get another $500 off. called FB and membership is $30... sounds like a good deal to me.. that is $2500 incentive so far..now if i could find a distant relative that works for DC and will get me in one of these friend and family programs..
anyone have a nearby dealer with a lot full of 5 speeds?..
They each have strong points but one stood out as meeting my requirements the best. (I wanted to see reports and graphs of the MPG of each of my vehicles.)
My favorate package is called "CAR CARE 2000" It seems to be the only one that offers graphing. It tracks repair history, replacement parts for each repair activity and even allows digital photos to be stored as part of the log. Multiple vehicles are supported too.
Since my JOB is supporting software that tracks things for a large corporation. I feel that my assessment has more weight than other folks that are not involved in software development. I have seen what works (and what does not work)
If anyone else has experience with Automobile tracking software, Please feel free to give mopar67 your assessment.
Thanks Much......Reed
I have a 4x4, 4.7 5-sp, 3.92 and would do the same if I had to do it over again. My wife really regrets not getting the auto, however. The good thing is that she stays with her car and I have exclusive use of the quad.
It shifts well, though I admit I messed up on occasion early on (took me a while to nail the downshift from 5th to 4th). Definitely more fun to drive, IMHO. Being about $900 cheaper helped too, that savings alone pretty much paid for the RollnLock and Bed Rug.
I don't think the 3.92 hurts mileage too much, based upon what others have posted in the past year. I usually get 17+ mpg, but am probably penalized more by the weight and resistance of the 4x4 drive train.
Bookitty
Reed
As for the 3.92s... I got the 3.55 rear, and it is ok, but if you don't care about gas mileage then go with the 3.92 and it will be even more peppy and fun to drive.
Speaking of gas mileage, I have heard of very little difference between the two rears. Fact is, you're going to get between 14 and 19 with this truck (a little more if 2wd). Don't have any illusions that your truck will be different somehow and get better mileage. You are buying a V8, and you're going to get the mileage that a V8 brings. If you are going to do a lot of non-highway driving (and I don't mean stop-and-go city driving, but normal non-highway driving) you're going to get around 15/16 with this truck. If gas mileage is a huge concern, save yourself the trouble and don't buy this vehicle.
I love my Quad but it sure is thirsty!
On another note, I'm about an inch away from buying the Hurst shifter. Has anybody else gotten one since the buzz about them a month or so ago?
4.7 quad, 2wd, 5sp 3.92. I test drove the 4.7 2wd auto, it feels much smoother
than the R/T regular cab that I did on the same day. The acceleration is awesome.
Many dakota enthusiastists said the 4.7, 5sp is actually faster than R/T.
I was told by one of the dealers I went to that motorsport package is not gonna be
available for 2002, anyone here heard the same story? I
Ford- I don't own the Hurst personally (yet) but another Dak owner in my car club had one in his and I have to admit it's a sweet shifter. His needed a bit of adjustment as it would just touch the dash on 3/5 upshifts, but the feeling of doing little more than twisting your wrist to change gears was nice. My problem is convincing myself I really need it after buying and chroming a factory shift rod and adding a Hurst T handle to it. No change in shifting, but it sure looks good.
Tire and Handling Group $420.00
Stabilizer Bar € Rear
Tires - P255/65R16 OWL All Season
Wheels € 16"x8" Cast Aluminum
Thanks......Reed
Although one COULD get all of this stuff in the aftermarket this price could not be matched. The 5 tires alone would cost this. (without wheels!)
In fact, some folks buy this package anyway and plan on selling the tires/wheels to re-coup the cost of upgrading. (Should easilly get $400 for brand new tires/wheels) keep the rear antisway bar.
Can anyone tell me what folks are paying compared to invoice these days?
I've heard DOdge is offering a $2000 rebate on 2001 and a $1000 rebate on a 2002 order.
Thanks for any info.
Cost of repairs exceed $9000. I was amazed.
Just another two data points - a) repair cost is obscene, b) I consider my truck one tough customer.
PS: No problems or quirks noticed with the Dak since the repairs, BTW.
I hate automatics with a passion so got the 5 sp.
At the time of order there were no 5 speed in any of the dealers lots so bought on faith. It is a smooth shifter and the clutch is easy to operate.
The truck has the 3.55 gears which is sufficient for my needs. If I had to tow a heavy trailer then would have gotton the 3.92. If snappier accelleration is needed, go with the 3.92. Probably a 1-2 mpg difference between the gear ratios. On STEEP inclines, I wish for the 3.92, but it pulls good anyway.
T&H group.
Like to have the bigger tires on trucks. A little more ground clearance for the camping trips. I had to replace 2 tires due to flats and them puppies are not cheap. Typically $140 each depending where you get them from.
It is a good price for what comes with the package.
Good luck,
Bob
Transfer Case. What's the difference between part-time and full-time shift-on-the-fly transfer cases? I have a 94 Dakota 4x4 with manual sotf, and it works fine for me. I'm leary of full-time electronic sotf -- i.e. a computer making decisions about when I'm in 2WD or 4WD...any opinions?
Tires. Is the Tire & Handling Group a required option if you select 4WD? What does OWL stand for when referring to all-terrain tires?
Anti-Spin Differential. Is this a must?
Brakes. Do 4-wheel antilock brakes still imply discs on the front and drums on the rear?
Thanks -
ScoutX
Fist off... the "shift on the fly" is the MANUAL xfer case. One can go from 2HI to 4HI while the vehicle is moving. I suspect you 94 Dak may have this already. (do you have to come to a complete stop before going from 2HI to 4HI or not?)
The "FULL TIME" xfer case is NOT a fancy electronic unit... it is just a differential added to the xfer case. ALL mechanical 4WD! The only electronics about it are between the knob on the dashboard and the xfer case. YOU decide when to twist that knob.
OWL on the tires is OUTLINED WHITE LETTERING.
ANTI-SPIN diff... this is a LimitedSlipDifferential in the rear. It is not a "must" but makes a 4WD a true 3WD. (Because of the action of the front/rear open differentials a 4WD is actually a 2WD... adding LSD forces BOTH rear wheels to drive.)
Brakes... The rear of the Dak is ALWAYS drums. (Drum brakes have better characteristics for a truck in the rear.)
I have the auto and love it but if I was pulling a lot I would get the 5spd for sure. I just came back from a 2000 mile round trip with a 1500 lb trailer thru the mountains and the auto works pretty hard some hills it was down in 2nd gear and heating up pretty good. The 5spd would have handled it with little heat build up and less stress on the drivers nerves. I avg. 15 mpg round trip. That's 99 mpg downhill and 2 mpg. uphill. I have the 4.7 3.55.
As many of you know, I have done a few unique modifications to my QC. I have received a lot of questions on things like my sunroof and the bedliner and I always appreciate the compliments and input.
I put some more pictures up with the new things I have added to my truck so you guys can check them out.
One of the things added is a front brushguard. I can't decide if I like it or not and thought I would ask for your opinion on the matter. Please let me know what you think.
You can find pics of the brush guard here:
http://www.ayrow.com/brushguard.html
All of the other mods are here:
http://www.ayrow.com/truck.html
Thanks,
Ayrow
It is just 'slop' in the drivetrain. All of the mechanical connections between the engine and the rear wheels has some measure of backlash in it. This is pretty normal for a rear-wheel-drive.
With the automatic xmission, this slop is usually taken up by inherant 'preloading' the drive components. Shifting from D-R-D will also shop this backlash with an automatic.
deciding between full time AWD and Part Time 4WD.
I assume that the gas mileage would be worse with full time AWD and that future repairs might be more costly as a result. Therefore I'm leaning toward the Part time 4WD. Won't really be towing anything, but I do live in the mountains (9000ft) so we get a lot of snow. Also think I'm leaning toward the 3.92 ratio axle for mountain driving.
Anyone have any input on this issue??
Thanks!
Bookitty
thanks in advance.
makomako
Thanks
Should bolt right up... Just make sure that the overall diameter of the tires does not change. Otherwise the onboard computer will need to be re-programmed to assure proper operation of the ABS system.
AWD with perfect traction: only one rear wheel is driven, as there is no full time split of torque between front and rear, right? (if so, no extra tire wear?)
AWD with perfect traction and limited-slip: Are both rear wheels ALWAYS provided torque full time?
(If so, some extra tire wear but part-time 4WD with limited-slip would also have more tire wear?)
AWD mode with bad traction: the wheel or wheels with the least traction, regardless of it being front or rear, get all the torque? It is possible in certain situations, for wheels on one axle to get the same amount of torque applied or even for all 4 wheels to get the same amount of torque?
Ok, I've got AWD, from my experience in the rain, it's doing something right: pouring rain, red light turns green, right foot floors it, no wheel spin, a great launch, being thrown back into the seat...can a DAK in 2WD (or in just sloppy enough conditions that don't warrent 4WD) do this? Don't think so, hence to me, AWD is a benefit in regards traction and a sense of safety...re: wear and tear and/or replacing AWD parts, I'd be surprised if I keep the truck past it's standard warranty.
Please correct me if I'm wrong or mislead re: anything above.
Thanks...
1. AWD has a diff. in the front axle a diff in the transfer case and a diff. in the rear (non lsd )
this allows any 1 of four wheels to spin at a different speed then the rest. If one wheel is off the ground or on ice the other three wheels all get that same amount of force as applied to the the one with least traction. This is just like a hydraulic system where pressure is equal in all directions. An awd will spin a minimum of one wheel at one time
2. Part time 4wd gets rid of the diff in the transfer case, this forces the front and rear driveshaft to have to turn at exactly the same speed. The force will be equal between the front two wheels. The force will be equal between the rear two wheels but if one front wheel is off the ground and spinning at least one of the rear wheels will have to turn also. This causes problems if the front and rear wheels are not all exactly the same size. The axle with the larger tires will have to spin (slip) in order to match the speed of the axle with the small tires . This would cause awful tire wear on dry pavement hence the name part time 4wd. Don't use it on dry pavement. A part time 4wd will spin a minumum of 2 wheels at one time.
3. LSD. forces both rear tires to turn at roughly the same speed. If one tire is smaller than the other the larger tire will be forced to spin to match the speed of the other. A part time 4wd with lsd will spin a minimum of three wheels at one time even if one is off the ground.
Clear as mud now, I hope this helps somewhat.
I have been very happy with the simple AWD system on the QC. However, if I were to do it again, I would probably opt for the 3.92 rear axle and part-time 4WD, partially to save gas (though going with the 3.92 may offset the fuel savings somewhat), but mostly to derive the utmost power and driving pleasure from my 5.9L engine. I particularly feel as if the AWD system is robbing me of power through the corners and off the line during dry conditions.
I note that on a rainy day, I can floor it and I will not get any tirespin whatsoever. But one could just as easily engage the part-time 4WD on a rainy day and get the same results.
Just my $0.02. Good luck on whatever you decide!
'00 Quadcab SLT+ Garnet Red 4x4 (AWD) 5.9L 46RE 3.55 LSD. For list of modifications to my QC, see my profile:
http://www.twistedbits.net/WWWProfile/dakota/Vof5jrNb0pR1M/
For pictures of my QC & Accessories: http://www.geocities.com/txqc2000
I bought a nice car alarm for my truck which should arrive any day.
It comes with a key fob that will take the place of my existing one and unlock and lock my existing automatic locks (no factory alarm).
Here are my questions..
1.) Does the 2001 QC have positive locks, or negative?
2.) Where is the best/easiest place to tap into these wires to activate them?
3.) What color are the wires?
Thank you guys! I hope somebody out there has the answer so I don't have to go wire-hunting for hours.
Ayrow
http://www.ayrow.com/truck.html
I also found a left over 2001 Dak QC 4x4, but it was a 3.9l V6 which felt very under powered. Granted I drive a 2000 Dodge Intrepid R/T daily, I didn't think the V6 Dak would be that sluggish.
Thanks for any input!
1) Most dealerships can't set up a rear end properly. Your get improper meshing of the pinion/ring gear and resulting rear end whine.
2) More important you will probably pay $500 or more for addon limited slip as opposed to factory $245 (what it was in 2000).
Sorry for the prolonged absence . I took a trip to Bolivia for a few weeks and came home to find out that the Fiancee found a house in Hatboro for us to buy -there goes my truck accessory money!! See what happens when you leave the Woman alone for a few weeks?!? Work has been all consuming and I'm pulling in another Graduate class this semester . Big Lucy has been running great! At 8000 miles I FINALLY got a chance to get in a long test drive to the Adirondacks over Labor Day weekend for some great hiking. We burned up the NJ-NY highways, taking only 6 hours to get 380 miles from Philly to Keene Valley, NY. MPG was 20-21!!! EZ Pass Rules! I hope all is well with my good friends and new friends here on the board after a very long week.