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What Wagon Would You Like To See Offered?
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I own a 2005 Outback Limited (not a turbo)... The Limited apparently means limited in comfort.
After 1 year I can't take the uncomfortable driver's seat anymore. The side bolsters are causing hip problems! My coworker just leased a 2006 passat. That is an extremely comfortable car.
But VW's are expensive to maintain
The Honda Accord EX is very comfortable and if their wagon was available ... I would have probably chosen that over the Subaru.
A Japanese Station Wagon (or at least a wagon with [non-permissible content removed]. reliability) with a high quality interior, it must have the seat comfort of a volvo, a usable third row seat and a turbo diesel engine.
Are you listening........ somebody build me one!
well now you're just being unreasonable. Might as well ask for gold bars in the trunk while you're at it.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
In the 90's the SUV market was getting into full swing and everybody had to have one. SUV's were also the "exciting" option for those who found mini-vans too uncool.
More and more folks are waking up to the reality that both SUV's and mini-vans are expensive animals to feed and are looking for something that can transport people and cargo at a more economical pace.
3 years ago we were looking for a wagon with decent gas milage and a reasonable sized cargo area at a reasonable price. What was available? Subaru wagons are the right size, but on the expensive side. Same for Saab Audi, Volvo, BMW and VW. The Mazda Protoge5 and the Toyota Matrix were attractive, reliable, and priced right, but had very small cargo areas. I hadn't heard good things about Saturn (don't mean to offend).
One that really stood out was the Focus wagon. I was very nervous about buying Ford since I had been with Toyotas and Hondas for so long, but the mileage was good, the cargo was roomy and the price was right (I got a 2002 se wagon for 14,200). I figured with the money I saved over a Subaru, it could break down quite a few times and still be more economical.
So far, we've been happy with it. Came with a boatload of options, and with standard shift, it performs very well; we've got 80k on it now. The Automatic we drove was much louder on the highway and much less responsive.
Still, if Honda or Toyota had offered a wagon, I would have bought it then, and I would now! An Accord/Camry wagon offered in both 4 cylinder (my choice) and 6 would sell well here, I'm sure... the new 2.2 liter diesel engine available in Europe would also be very desirable.
Mitsubishi was offering a decent size 4cyl. wagon last year (Sportback) that I was excited about, but that was pulled in '05. Why? I think that was due more to lack of awareness than anything else... did anyone ever see a commercial for one?
Anyway, I vote for a suite of Civic/Accord & Camry/Corolla wagons! Yeah! (it's funny what I get excited about now that I'm 40...)
1. 2006/7 Jeep Compass (A Subaru WRX Rally type vehicle)
2. 2006 Dodge Caliber (AWD, 5 sp manual, VW Diesel engine!) Shares a platform w/ Mitsubishi.
3. 2006 Chevrolet HHR (Wonderfully priced Cobalt wagon!)
4. 2006 Chevrolet Malibu Maxx SS. (Great wagon. Wow!)
5. Saab's Sport Combi. (9-3 based)
6. Ford's Freestyle. (Such a HUGE improvement!)
Still wish VW would of done a NEW Jetta Wagon! Apparently the nod was given to the new crossover SUV thingy instead.
1. Cadillac's SRX is great. Can tow 4,250lbs!
2. BMW has released a 3 and 5 series wagon.
3. Audi's excellent A3 also.
4. VW Passat Estate is due very soon.
So, these new wagons should be enough to fulfill anyone's wishlist!
Enjoy the Holiday...
I drove the New Passat Wagon and it is a decent driving car, but the level of electronic gimmicks VW has put on there (push button electric parking brake!) along with VW's recent spotty reliability gives me great concern. I dont' want to spend big bucks for a new car only to develop a close relationship with the service manager. I already have a family.
The Volvo V70 is the right size, but gets expensive when you put decent equipment on it. Volvo reliability isn't in the gutter like VW, but isn't great either.
Acura should be able to make a TSX wagon easily as the base vehicle is the non-US market Accord and is already built as a wagon for the rest of the world. The TSX is already a relatively low volume niche vehicle, so please give us a wagon!
The problem with the final generation Accord and Camry wagon was that Honda and Toyota cheaped out and use the sedan rear door on the wagon, which then caused them to have this huge blind-spot creating sail shape in metal behind the rear door.
Subaru could also give up it's religious dedication to four wheel drive and offer a better fuel economy, lower priced FWD option.
All in all, things are not much better in the wagon market today then they were when this thread started .
John
A Subie purist.
PS I hope Subaru never strays from their AWD roots. Let Toyota and Honda have the FWD piece of the pie.
That would not be a wise move IMO. After all four wheel drive is what Subaru is all about. It has been for years.
I recently bought a Scion xB, which I also love, but the one major drawback is the lack of cargo area. Also, the rear seats don't fold down all the way flat.
I would have been looking at a Nissan wagon if they sold any here! I really like the Nissan Cube, but they have never offered it here. I'm guessing that re-engineering the car to left -hand drive just to compete with the xB is too much effort for Nissan. What happenned to the little fuel economy cars they made that made Nissan popular here in the US? Now they are selling the Artmada and the Titan, which is so far from the 510 and 521 pickup that I can barely believe they made my old 510 beater wagon.
Bring on the Cube!!!
i'll second that!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
i picked it up in July with 22k km. I am thrilled everytime i go for a ride!
Thanks!
what is your price range?
does it have to be 5-spd or is 6-spd ok? ;b
there is the volvo V70, both base and R version.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I would also like to see a wagon based on the USA Honda Accord or the Toyota Camry.
I don't know why Honda or Toyota stopped offering station wagons. The last Accord Wagon ('97) was also very good looking.
I own a 2005 Outback and just purchased a low mileage 2000 Volvo V70 which is OH SO COMFORTABLE (unlike the Outback)
I love wagons!!!
I think I once saw a JDM Odyssey. I liked it.
I couldn't agree with you more.
To All Japanese Wagon Enthusiasts,
Apparently, not enough of us have expressed our desire to purchase an Accord, Camry, Legacy, Mazda6, or TSX wagons directly to the manufacturers. Perhaps, we have been patiently waiting on the sidelines for the manufacturer to correct some significant issue identified in a test report.
If we do not make our wishes known, as gas becomes more & more expensive our only choices will be less efficient SUVs/trucks/minivans, small hatchbacks, or sedans with the limited cargo capacity that a trunk affords.
Please contact one or more of the following companies and let them know that an SUV is not an acceptable substitute for a practical, fuel-efficient, agile wagon.
* Acura Client Services 800-382-238 M-F 6 AM - 5 PM PST
* Honda Customer Relations 800-999-1009 M - F, 6 a.m. - 5 p.m., PT
* Mazda Contact Us 800-945-6000 M - F, 7am - 8pm CT, 7am - 12pm CT
* Subaru Contact Us 800-782-2783 M - Thr, 8:30 a.m. - 7 p.m. EST, F, 10:30 a.m. - 5 p.m.
* Toyota Customer Experience Center 800-331-4331 M - F, 5:00 am - 6:00 pm PT, Sat, 7:00 am - 4:00 pm PT
After e-mailing Mazda,
* Topic: "Product Information"
* Subtopic: "Suggestions & opinions"
I received the following reply:
RE: Product Information - Suggestions & Opinions
Hello,
Thanks for contacting Mazda.
I am pleased you took the time to bring your suggestion regarding the
MAZDA6 Wagon to our attention. Consumer feedback is always very
important to Mazda. Certainly, we want to offer exciting vehicles,
and comments such as yours help us to achieve that goal.
Rest assured I have documented your suggestion for our corporate
record. These records are continuously being reviewed by our Product
Development Department in an effort to provide only the highest
quality products to our customers.
Again, thank you for bringing these suggestions to our attention.
Regards,
Gylan D.
Specialist, Customer Assistance
Mazda North American Operations
Perhaps if Mazda receives enough customer feedback requesting a Mazda6 Wagon, we will see one in the US sometime in second half of 2008. So keep those calls & e-mails coming!
* Honda Customer Relations 800-999-1009 M - F, 6 a.m. - 5 p.m., PT
* Mazda Contact Us 800-945-6000 M - F, 7am - 8pm CT, Sat. 7am - 12pm CT
* Subaru Contact Us 800-782-2783 M - Thr, 8:30 a.m. - 7 p.m. EST, F, 10:30 a.m. - 5 p.m.
* Toyota Customer Experience Center 800-331-4331 M - F, 5:00 am - 6:00 pm PT, Sat, 7:00 am - 4:00 pm PT
just as important, it also needs something solid at the front and rear bumpers to secure bow and stern lines to. No vehicle currently on the market is capable of this very basic application.
Just as important, it also needs something solid at the front and rear bumpers to secure bow and stern lines to. No vehicle currently on the market is capable of this very basic application.
BTW, I really do not understand why Honda consistently market different cars under same names for different regions. It is so confusing.
It is confusing if you're planning to ship vehicles from one market to another. Otherwise, the buyers in each market are definitely not confused about the offerings of Honda.
Honda is still offering trucks in north America, which sucks. Their offerings gained a few dimensions in size, too, which is probably a thrill-a-minute in the current environment of $4/gallon gasoline. (But that's another thread.)
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/10/report-acura-considering-tsx-wagon-for-the-u-- s/
I have been a long time Honda fan. I currently own an S2000. I have always loved the high revving engines from Honda and sporty suspensions and driving characteristics. I think Honda has missed the boat here. They had a perfect platform to fill the need for those looking for an alternative to SUV's. My perfect wagon would be like to the old Mazda Protege5 in looks and handling with one of Honda's K20 engines that get at least 30 mpg. Currently the only thing that comes close is the Mazda3 hatch. A great car but I think Honda could make a better wagon. My current wagon is a 2002 Forester which works perfect for my 2 greyhounds but is no fun to drive. I like the Impreza/WRX but not the weight and fuel penalty that come with the AWD which I only really need maybe 6 times in a year.
Lots of torque, and you'll soon forget you're not driving a gas engine. Hills and mountains, no problem. I climb the Pocono Mountains in PA on 6th gear, no sweat. Not the fastest car, I agree, but who needs speeding tickets anyway? 75 is plenty fast.
Am looking to buy another diesel wagon, manual as well, but there's not much choice around. Used to buy Audis but they're not offering AWD with manual transmission anymore. Their only diesel is the FWD A3, but no manual. A BMW 335D is selling for nearly 50K, well-equipped (RWD only, sorry), and hate their "only run-flat tires" stance. Don't like SUV's or cross-overs, even if they are diesels. Been there, done that. I noticed some posts complaining about the lack of Japanese wagons, which I could consider. Wagons don't sell, huh? Did you ever seen a VW TDI wagon on a lot sitting for a long time? Had to wait over six months for mine, and had to pay sticker. You might have a better luck.
The writing has been on the wall for a while. The 70s gas reality slap started the smaller car on the US roads. And while a lot of people continue to have their heads shoved up the tailpipe of an SUV, it's time is at end.
What's with Audi going exclusively upmarket? What happened to the availability of a solid AWD krautrocket wagon with a manual?
I guess as a nation we'll continue to be deluded about being upscale. As for me, all I want is a solid 6 cylinder AWD manual wagon.
For us ordinary mortals, Honda presents a
SUV litecrossover called the Crosstour. It has a chunky grill, weighs nearly two tons ($4/gallon, here we come!), and a rear only a pro wrestler would love (Hogan delivers the Atomic Butt Hike (tm)! the opponent signals submission! It's all over!!!!).Sigh.
One day, they'll get it.
C'mon American auto market, there's a almost completely unfilled hole in the affordable midsize wagon market that needs to be filled!
I would not mind a comeback of the Malibu Maxx with a longer cargo area. I probably won't see it as long as Chevrolet continues to sell trucks/crossovers.
My dream vehicle would be a Nissan Altima wagon, which is probably sold somewhere in the world other than here.
Also, what country are we talking about? Cause here in the US, the CTS starts at $38k, not $48k.
There are plenty of good choices from where I sit. The Audi A3 starts to $27k. Saab 9-3 starts at $30k.
A4 Avant - $35k
328 wagon - $36k
V70 - $38k
9-5 - $40k
My personal choice right now would be a Jetta TDI wagon - $25k.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S