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I will get a quote.
It was not too long ago (118,000 miles) I was debating the pluses and minuses about paying a 246. premium (over a 1.8 T gasser). Of course the 2009 app 1,000 premium was not a welcomed addition. However the IRS (/VW) has sweetened the deal with the $1,300 clean diesel tax CREDIT. So really it is app minus - 200 cheaper . Also the mpg is @ 25 combined vs 33 combined. In a highway commute mode, three drivers get a range of 39-45. Since it is in an "initial" break in stage till at least 10,000 miles (first oil change) I am more concerned with good/correct break in than good mpg. So a recent 2300 mile R/T with 3 people and trunk packed to the gills, in the herky jerky break in style yielded an over all 43.5 mpg.
While it is a DSG, I would have been just as happy with a 6 speed manual. Well, might have been happier with a manual ,as it will probably be cheaper to fix and last longer (old 2003 clutch life expectancy of 400,000 miles)
I recently purchased an 09 TDI... not my first VW. I paid 21,500 + TTL for it - manual, rear airbags, spoiler, sunroof, mats. I think this was a fairly decent price. I got a range of prices from different dealers (most starting at 1.5K below MSRP). I agonized over the whole car purchase ordeal for a while, and like many others, researched heavily. I debated between a TDI and a 2.5 VW. Even though everyone's numbers might be different, I still wound up with a 5 year ownership cost for the diesel being higher than a SE which I was considering (no options, manual for 17995). I decided to go for the diesel because it is "the right thing to do". I think over time too that the resale will be higher on the TDI. By the way, my first road trip (several hundred miles) yielded 44 mpg!
I want to make a purchase in a week or so but I first want to make sure I know what the rates are.
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I purchesed a 09 TDI auto for $20,992 gray.... should pick it up in a week... can't wait.
I'll follow up with my reivew and MPG.
I've been quoted $21,009 (email) which includes destination, plus $100 doc and $10 for temp tag.
It's a TDI in Salsa Red, 6 speed manual. Don't need/want sunroof (have a Mustang Convert). So pretty much no options.
The price almost seems to good. But I do have it in writing.
So your thoughts?
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VW deals are so tough to find that I wish you would post the source of the offer, Dealership and Location. That's information everyone looking for one, needs.
The FitzMall guys are asking $ 21,702 internet price for a TDI w/o the roof, but with the DSG powertrain, an extra $900 or so.
Thats the lowest price on their inventory today.
Those are my thoughts. How about an amended (updated) message?
Paid $22,838 OTD price. Salsa Red with 6 speed manual.
That included the JIM package, tax (7%), doc fee and temp tag.
The dealer is VW of Shrewsbury in New Jersey. He had to get it from another dealer. So picking it up sometime next week.
The only other option I might get is the bluetooth package. Can't see spending $500 but I have aftermarket bluetooth in my other cars and would prefer to have a factory/dealer kit where I can use the steering wheel control for it.
Plus I should be getting a $1300 tax credit. Nice!
I just looked at the dealer's inventory and you must have caught them sleeping.
Their internet price posted on an 09' Jetta TDI with DSG. mats and liner, ipod adaptor and sunroof is $25,418. Sounds pretty much, MSRP to me.
I was given this price immediately, and it is $1800 LESS than edmunds what others are paying price and $1500 less than carsdirect selling price for the area.
They also gave me $500 MORE for my trade then Edmunds quoted. Anyone looking for a TDI I STRONGLY recommend Palisades VW in West Nyack, NY. It is located right over the Tappan Zee bridge, just north of NYC.
Send me a message, and I can recommend a great salesman.
Dave
Disadvantage - more susceptible to damage from potholes and such
Disadvantage - higher cost to replace 17' tires
Advantage - minor improvement in handling. Most people would not notice a difference.
4. 17 in tires do not last as long as 16 in stock tires
5. loss of hp and torque
6. lower fuel mileage
7. loss of braking (takes longer to stop)
PS
and all the things ruking added also.
What color did you get on your TDI?
The regulatory agencies are really anti biodiesel despite the Federal mandate for alternative fuels. Not surprisingly also biodiesel @ 0 to 5 ppm is factorially cleaner than RUG to PUG @ 30 ppm . For arguments sake, RUG to PUG is 30 x to 6 x dirtier. They basically make the regulations so onerous as to border on economic insanity and then try to come across like an un bias referee. It is interesting to note that no PAST or current 50 state legal diesel is specified to run on bio diesel from say B6 to B100.
For that matter they are anti diesel, even as diesel is the backbone of the whole economic, logistical systems.
Isn't that a summertime phenomenon?
I think you may be exaggerating some. Are you talking avgs? I don't think "the average TDI" averages over 40 mpg unless the average TDI owner only drives on the freeway and if that's the case then compare it to a gasser that does the same. I think most of the 2.5 gasser drivers get wll over the EPA hwy estimate on straight hwy trips. I'm all for explaining the attributes of D2 but lets keep it real.
Also, last winter the price of D2 was over a dollar more than RUG in Chicago area. I think I actually posted a comment about it on this forum. Can't remember if it was $1.14 more but darn close.
The car has only 6800 miles and it has been run in the herky jerky break in style, (as per TDI specific procedures per TDI web site) The GPS when it is... ON... says.... I did not exceed 90 mph.
A 2003 TDI Jetta gets 48-52 mpg in a daily commute. The worst was 44 mpg in 300 miles of stop and go Las Vegas downtown and strip driving with the A/C blasting (mere 102 degrees or so) 4 people in the vehicle. (taxicab ish) The best is 62 mpg.
I think all you have to do is the math. If you don't want to do the math, I have posted real world results on other thread sites. At the time, ( per mile driven) RUG cost 82% MORE. Prices of D2 RUG to PUG of course vary ALL the time, and in relationship to each other.
Since I drive both, I am a tad "sitting" on the fence. I like the fuel mileage of the 2003, but just LOVE the torque difference on the 2009. So for the power difference, (39-45 mpg vs 48-52 mpg is) not a bad compromise. I dare say, either is better than... most vehicles !!?? Either is better than "like model" gasser Jetta's.
The other truth is the 2009 is much more "BMW like" than the 2003. Part of this translates to the 2009 VW Jetta TDI... weighing more; ( +335 #'s).
A rule of thumb is 1 mpg per 100#'s (plus+ or minus-).
Right there structurally,minus - 3.35 mpg. So really, it is not so much the additional hp/torque, as the ...weight.
Mileage discusson is better suited to Jetta TDI general topic I suspect.
If you are able to obtain invoice cost on TDI wagon, that is an excellent price.