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Bob
John
This option makes sense for some people who would prefer to put little or no money down initially, with the understanding that the vehicle's payment life cycle will be longer (say, 3 years for the lease, plus another 4 to finance the remaining payment as per the financing institution).
From the perspective of interest paid and length to ownership, it may sound negative, but if you want a fully dressed up Tribeca in the near future and won't/can't make a down payment significant enough to facilitate resonable montly payments, I'd say its worth consideration. Just be sure to purchase GAP insurance.
I'm sure this is all stuff you know/and have thought about, I just thought I'd mention it.
Joe
Ideally I'd like a brand-new 'beca with DVD and NAV for an equal trade for our '02. LOL
The '02 is paid off, so we could put that as a large down payment and just finance what's left.
Psychologically, her price limit is $20k. :surprise:
I realize we're living in the 80s and that's pure fantasy.
-juice
-juice
Article mentions that we are the 4th largest market. Nice of them to reward customer loyalty. :lemon:
We're looking at a 5-seater because with only two kids we don't have to have a third row and I question whether the third row seats are a safe place to put kids in the event of a rear-end collision. So many third rows, not just the Tribeca's, are awfully close to the rear glass.
I'm interested in pre-ordering to take advantage of the free towing package, but am hesitant to put down any non-refundable money on a vehicle that I only saw roped off at the car show in February and my wife has not seen at all. Does anyone know the details about the pre-order program? I called SOA and was told to call my dealer. I wonder if there are uniform requirements or if each dealership can set its own requirements.
I remember the early Legacy buyers had coupons for free service, but eventually prices came down so it all evens out.
It's funny but when we actually start actively car shopping it may still take 2 years for us to finally buy something.
-juice
Most American consumers are illogical ....instead of abandoning the uber-SUV's and construction crew pick-up trucks in favor of slightly more expensive but more reasonable and efficient vehicles, they will buy discounted gas-guzzlers and pay $500 per month for gas . Thus, Subaru will need to discount Tribeca by several thousand dollars to sell vehicles in a buyers market.
Mark
I think we will start to see more turbo-diesels in the US once we get the ultra-clean diesel fuel standards. The new engines are not only super efficienct, but are quieter than the current gasoline engines. There are rumors that Subaru is working on a TDI engine, using the old 2.2 liter block.
2007 will likely hold some interesting developments in the mpg department, given where we are in 2005.
John
That's not where the demand is, in heavily discounted old-tech people movers. Dodge has momentum but Toyota and Honda are picking up steam.
It's funny but price does *not* sell by itself. In many, many segments, the hottest model is also the most expensive. BMW 3 series, Lexus RX, Sienna/Odyssey, Mini Cooper S. There are only a few exceptions - Mustang GT and Chrysler 300, maybe.
Another point - Ford has increased prices 5 times this year. They increase rebates to offset those price increases, and you end up back where you started.
I think GM should price the Chevy Aveo at $110,000 and then offer a $100,000 rebate. Seriously. ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS rebate!
Guess what? You still pay the same $10 grand.
I hope when our Tribeca is 7 years old it's still worth more than $10 grand so we can afford to trade up to a new 2012 Subaru Flying Car.
-juice
GM is playing that game esp with high-end models like caddy. price it high, rebate $5000, people fail to see the Net price they pay. they only see that they are paying $5000 below msrp.
With an $8000 discount it's still slightly overpriced compared to a V6 Accord.
Competing with the Tribeca, the Rendezvous Ultra is way overpriced also, and really not very competitive. The Ford Freestyle is more competitively priced, until you add up the cost of all the options. Then it's close to a Tribeca.
And the fact is in 7 years the Tribeca will be worth twice as much.
In 1998 the Jeep Cherokee Sport was admittedly tempting, but I'm glad I opted for the Forester because today it is worth more than a 1998 GRAND Cherokee, never mind the regular Cherokee.
-juice
http://goauto.carsales.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/8E116E08E19CFAD2CA256FE800082AA3
It appears the basic Tribeca/Alfa look was locked in before Zapatinas arrived at Subaru! Also, Oz-spec B9s will get a slightly different front end that is better conforming to future Euro front end pedestrian-friendly standards.
This is a good read folks!
Bob
I find that hard to believe. Maybe the chassis hard points were set, but no way was the design complete 3 years ago. They back off a bit from that claim later in the text.
Zapatinas did, however, take control of the cabin and dashboard design
Touchdown! If this is true, he is pure talent. This would bode well for future designs.
I like the reference to Penelope Cruz and I could not agree more with the way they explained it.
I hope they are wrong about the steering.
-juice
I think when they said "locked in" I'm sure they were referring to the design direction, not the details, and it's the "details" which is what we all see and comment on.
Bob
The reason I doubt the design was locked in 2002 is that back then GM still wanted Subaru to use their platform. Wasn't that decision made after Zapatinas joined? Then how could the design have been set? They didn't even use the same platform they thought they were going to use back in 2002.
-juice
Bob
Bob
Somehow I can't see the 2.2 liter TDI being adequate for the Tribeca.
I wonder what else FHI has up its sleeve?
John
Bob
Either way, I want to keep a Subaru in the lineup (if for no other reason than the Subaru bucks are building up .
John
I just borrow Bob's.
Speaking of which I may do my annual borrow-Bob's-trailer run soon, Bob. I need some mulch and some pea gravel.
-juice
Bob
In any event, give me a call, I'm sure we can work something out.
Bob
To bring this back on topic, I guess we'll need the tow package on our Tribeca when we get that.
-juice
The only current issue with diesels are emissions, esp. in CA. But, "trucks" are exempt. At least the larger trucks anyway. Not sure what the GVW has to be to qualify.
If the schnoze is considered too prominent right now, think of what it would take to throw an electric component in to the drivetrain on the H-6 boxer. Maybe an H-4 boxer and a hybrid set-up?
The other guys have their engines set in sideways and there is more space for a hybrid add-on.
John
http://www.machinedesign.com/ASP/strArticleID/56735/strSite/MDSite/viewSelectedArticle.asp-
Juice and I saw it at the Detroit show last year. They also had a engine/motor/chassis display there. The hybrid part hooks on to the back end of the engine, and is very compact.
Bob
John
I suspect they might make it 5-seat only and then use the space where the 3rd row would go for batteries.
Diesel and hybrid are not mutually exclusive, how 'bout a hybrid diesel-electric? That would be the ticket.
-juice
Am trying to get a group sense of color preference for the B9. Have seen the blue, grey interior combo (Loved it ! )but have been told the gold interior is easier to keep clean if you have kids because it doesn't have the perforations that spills would get into. So that kind of makes us lean towards the Champagne Gold Opal.
Can we get a poll going ? What are others ordering ?
Also, why are there no Subaru purchasing (not lease) incentives out ?
Steve.
So I'd take either one, really.
Remember, the 5 seat Tribeca Limited will cost $1150 less than the Outback VDC. The incentive is already built-in.
-juice
What exterior color are you ordering ?
Bob
Color? Not sure. I'm not picky, but for fun let's look at the colors closely, now that I'm officially browsing:
Atlantic Blue Pearl: fave color, though I'll admit it looks better on the Legacy GT than it does here. I'd still consider it.
Obsidian Black Pearl: looks nice, but I'm OCD and black is impossible to keep looking clean. Still, hard to resist.
Champagne Gold Opal: perhaps the most practical color, would look good with beige interior I also like. Maybe.
Mahogany Red Pearl: looks more bronze in person, sort of in the rust color family. Not a fan.
Titanium Silver Metallic: looks good and should be low maintenance. But it lacks pizazz.
Satin White Pearl: on certain cars this color looks extremely rich, I'd have to see it in person.
Seacrest Green Metallic: not sure why I don't like this color more, on paper I should. I think I like the pearlescent paints better.
To be honest there isn't one color I'd rule out completely, so I'd be flexible. I want to see the ABP and SWP in person to pick a favorite.
-juice
Bob is right, I took advantage of the $500 LL Bean certificate.
I think the Atlantic Blue looks very nice on the B9 but my wife wasn't crazy about it. For some reason, the Mahogoney just stood out more.
Believe it or not, when I looked at the Satin White Pearl, it looked classy/luxury... kinda reminded me of the RX330.
From that standpoint, the only "dark" colors are that Red and Black. While I think the Black looks great, we all know how hard it is to keep that looking clean.
Put it this way, if I had free car washes I'd pick Black.
-juice
John
I believe the HL gets 27mpg, and the RX400H 26mpg, highway. Not bad, but not much better than the gas-only counterparts.
A diesel, OTOH, could do well in both cycles, amazingly well. The Passat TDI wagon gets 38mpg and I think the Benz E class gets 37mpg, much better numbers than the new hybrids with just a diesel engine.
SUVs would not do as well, but hybrid SUVs could come close. So we might see a 10mpg jump in highway economy with a diesel+electric hybrid.
Who's with me?
-juice
Two of the items they are offering for early signing are the tow package and the satelitte radio. Are these limited time offers, or are they items that will be available for all levels of the Tribeca?
Just trying to see what is offered with what. BTW, interesting to note that Edmunds TMV for the Tribeca is already below MSRP for a brand new vehicle that technically has not even hit the show room floor yet.
Mark
Joe
If you want to see options and accessories, the only site that has this info (so far) is www.cars101.com and they've been pretty 'on point' with Subaru's vehicles before they are 'officially' announced.
Also, the pre-order offers are 3:
Towing upgrade package
Portable XM radio
$500 LL Bean Certificate
The offer is up to May 19th (I believe).
You can also go on to www.b9tribeca.com and click on preorder.
Oh... and I think Edmunds just pulled that number out of their _______ until they get some more info.
Hope this helps.
Mark
In the meantime, I'm going to have to come up to get the B9 if it doesn't get here before we move. Now, I'm thinking of getting the Leg sedan for me to play with as a second car but may wait till the '06's ;-)
TMV sounds accurate in this tough market. Pilot LX runs $24.8k around here, EX for just over $27k. It is a buyer's market, no doubt about that.
Besides, the Ody is hotter than the Pilot, more in demand at the Honda dealers.
Joe: true, but hybrids haven't always been so consistent. MT lists a quicker 0-60 time for the Accord V6 than it does for the hybrid model. And real-world MPG doesn't match the optimistic EPA numbers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very pro-hybrid, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.
Highlander was priced right, IMO, $33k for FWD and $34k and change for AWD. Much better than the $50 grand for the RX400H.
-juice
But, shutting off diesels and restarting them is not susposed to be their strong point. These are traditional hybrid car benefits that may not lend themselves readily to diesel engines.
John
For me the Green, Rust , and Blue are too trendy. The silver is too common. The gold is very nice but not with powder coated silver wheels. the wheels should be anodized aluminum or chrome. That leaves the black and white.
It's simple really - whatever looks better with the grey leather.
I like the white
Charlie