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karen - the 7-pass and 5-pass under-floor storage areas are shown side-by-side at the bottom of this webpage: http://www.cars101.com/subaru/tribeca/tribeca2006photos2.html
Definetely, in person it loooks better. it does have very emotional appeal. my wife & i criticize it but when we look it, we both melt away.
one problem, 3rd row seats for kids too low for them to see outside thru those mini windows.
but i ain't driving a school bus 9(no oddy/sienna)
It certainly does have better driving dynamics than my Sienna but then again it should because my Sienna AWD is a 4700lb box on wheels. The Tribeca a decent vehicle but its not going to attarct many new customers. In my opinion it managed to capture the worst of both worlds, much like the Pacifica.
I suspect one should be able to get a loaded 7-passenger for DVD and NAV at $35k before long or about the same street price as a loaded Highlander with DVD/NAV.
-Karen in AZ- :shades:
Steve, Host
There is a legitimate advertising fee added to the dealer invoice (at least in the Penn Jersey region). Not sure of the amount for the Tribeca but it was $125 for my '03 Outback in August 2002.
DaveM
Assuming your figures are in US dollars, you are way off.
For example:
- The top of the line Tribeca has a MSRP of $38,320, and an invoice of $35,411 for a difference of approx. $2900 (maybe less if an advertising fee is added to the dealer invoice).
- I believe the holdback on Subaru's is 2% of MSRP (less destination). So in the above case the holdback would be 38,320 - 695 dest = 37,695 * 2% = $754
- IF the dealer sells this example at MSRP, their total gross profit is $3654.
$3654 is no where near $5000 to $8000 and it is a rare day that a Subaru sells for MSRP.
Dealer's make their money on extended warranties, financing, used car sales, service, etc.
DaveM
When we have an ad on TV, radio, or in the paper, etc., that says,"Brought to you by your New England Subaru Dealer", the ad is paid for by the fund created by the fees-per-car charged to the dealer, and ultimately the consumer.
The dealer's invoice price consists of the price of the car from Subaru, the ad fees, shipping, and a full tank of gas. That is true invoice that the dealer pays.
Here in New England there is also sometimes a "Regional Price Adjustment" on the invoice, because our Subarus come through SoNE.
I suspect that things are similar out your way. Ask them to show you an invoice.
Frank
I actually climbed into the back seat right behind my wife, who is 5'10", and I had enough leg room with my seat in the rear most position... not that I would ever ride there. The vehicle seems like it would be very comfortable for 4 full sized adults.
We drove a 5 pass. base, black. I thought it looked a bit too plain, but it was the base. I found it sprightly, and handled well. Heavy on-center feel. My long-time salesman encouraged me to push it a bit. Sure, no problem. Left the shifter in "sport". The engine never felt strained with the 3 of us, all above average in size. The gearing felt like a good match to the powerband. The suspension firm but handled bumps well. Nice job Subaru. Nice car to "drive".
I am sure I would like the grey interior better than the tan in this vehicle. I think it would better match the silver-to-grey on the dash, and the grey floor covering. I admit to not being a big tan fan anyway though, black would be nice. We are used to Forester moonroofs so this one seemed really tiny. My wife calls them "moonroofettes", as on the Highlander she almost bought. Back window is silly.
We are the opposite of most of you folks in that it is just the 2 of us. Once in a while the grandson, or maybe another couple with us, but most of the time 1 maybe both of us. Anything behind the front seat we consider "utility", mostly. I think the Tribeca is the perfect size for us, almost like a grown-up Forester. One of us will probably buy one on the next go-round, AFTER the NE prices calm down. They are still trying to get invoice.
I asked the manager what kind of interest there has been from non-Subaru owners. He said some, but the implication was that it is "us" who are doing the looking. I think someone predicted that, way, way back.
This "party" was simultaneous at all NE dealers today, and was heavily advertised on TV. While I was there the place was almost empty, only 1 other couple. There WERE sandwiches missing so someone had been there, or the sales folks were hungry.
My take is that locally they are not breaking down the doors to look at the vehicle, let alone buy 1 at "list". Maybe this foolish price structure will change soon, as juice said. Maybe then we will buy 1, we DO like the vehicle.
With my wife having just bought her Bean Forester for more than 2K below invoice, she would have had to pony up another 12K or so for the B9. Is it worth it? Not to us. In round numbers that is 50% more! We cross-shop differently than most of this group.
Interesting side note: They said that Subaru was finally able to use Goodyear Eagles on a vehicle, only due to the affiliation with GM. Apparently GM has some sort of exclusive contract with Goodyear for something. I told him that while they were good tires, I wasn't so sure they were the best choice for our winters. He said with the VDC it won't matter. He also said being 8" wide will help. :surprise: I didn't bother to explain the "snowshoe" principle.
Frank
We preordered ours on May 6th, and this past week were were told it would arrive the week of June 13th. Got a call around lunch today (June 11) saying ours was in!
We went to the dealership, drove it (2nd tribeca test drive), loved it still, brought it home.
4 weeks isnt bad, we were expecting late June or July.
I ordered a lot of the same stuff that came on my ‘05 OB, and then some: the compass/mirror, rear bumper cover, shock sensor, cargo net and cover, puddle lights (good for the older folks who ride with me), and the crossbars (cool how the rails are recessed into the roof, and only the bars actually protrude above the roof line). I opted for the bigger 5-pass cargo tray, since the 3rd row will rarely be up, and I haul a lot of equipment from school to school (I’m a traveling band teacher).
BTW, my calculations were actually within about $50 of what they came up with (OK, I’m a math nerd, too)...pretty close, considering there have been a few minor pricing changes in the past few months before the actual release of these vehicles. The quoted me 6-8 weeks, but (off the record) said it would likely be less. The Forester took 4 weeks to the day, and it came all the way from Japan, so that’s encouraging.
My dilemma now is whether or not I really want the Nav (I DO, but I don’t NEED it!). It the invoice is about $1800 (they are checking the exact figure for me). I have always been a map nut, and I know I’ll play with it all the time. I have until Monday noon before they’ll fax the order in, and then I can’t make any changes. Any thoughts?
Now if they can only figure out how to get it to make coffee and teach my classes for me
-Karen in AZ- :shades:
BTW: Frank, I was just thinking the other day how this car seemed like a grown up Forester!
What part of the country do you live?
That’s a very big deal out here in the AZ desert.
-Karen in AZ- :shades:
Based on her post, I think she lives in Maine.
You better grap a couple cups of coffee. :P
Time is running out for Subaru!
Try Atlanta. :-)
tracikay, "Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)" #3016, 21 May 2005 2:42 pm
Steve, Host
(I had one cuppa about 20 minutes ago, lol)
That's another option I'm looking into.
I'm back on the fence!
:frustrated in NJ:
The what part of the county question was directed at Tracikay, not Karen, another new owner.
But what the hey, why not try Atlanta?
Steve, Host
Oops, sorry about that subienewbie. I guess I better grab a cup of coffee.
BTW steve_, it's Karen, not Kate. :P
DaveM
(isn't it nice that you can edit your post for 30 minutes after posting?) :shades:
Steve, Host
Maybe they gave you too good of a price and are choking on it. :sick:
Frank
Why the 30 minute limit? Frankly I think the time should be extended. I can't tell you how many times I have come back, at say 35 minutes, to make a change on posts, and have not been able to do so. I think the time should be unlimited. If that's not possible, make it at least 1 hour, if not longer.
Bob
Bob
Don't know why your email didn't get through; I got mail yesterday and today (need a cheap mortgage or some pills?). Please try again.
Steve, Host
Not for me it isn't. I often have new thoughts and or refinements to my posts long after I post them. Heck, 45 minutes or an hour would be much better than 30 minutes.
Bob
Thanks in advance
Steve, Host
Enough housekeeping - anyone test driving a B9 today?
Steve, Host
Wife's Bean, below invoice. The 2K+ includes the $1500 rebate.
Frank
Consumer Guide Road Test
-Karen in AZ-
Bob
Thanks
I'm coming out of a Saab and wanted a "crossover" vehicle and drove a bunch... Hands down for the my money I felt most comfortable with this vehicle over any of the rest. Would an X5 be nice and give me a feeling of "cool" sure... but I'm coming out of a Saab! I don't need cool although in all honesty I think the B9 is!
I have a buddy that loves his last 3 outbacks and convinced me to try the Subaru experience. Looking forward to it.
Oh and one last thing... Reviews are just that an opinion of one person... take them for what they are worth and don't get overly concerned about them. I do professional crituques of nature photography and I always remind the audience that I am just one person with one opinion. I am sure someone will disagree and they do. So take the B9 for a drive for it needs to be driven to be appreciated. Is it a bit sluggish compared to my turbo charged Saab I'm coming out of, yup. Is it horrible? NO! A very fun vehicle to drive. Again I'm looking forward to it.
Length:
4785 mm = 188.4" (B9 Tribeca = 189.8")
Width:
1935 mm = 76.2" (B9 Tribeca = 73.9")
Height:
1370 mm = 53.9" (B9 Tribeca = 66.4")
Wheelbase:
2800 mm = 110.2" (B9 Tribeca = 108.2")
It's interesting to note that the Tribeca is narrower and has a shorter wheelbase than the B11S, but is a tad longer. Why did Subaru not make the Tribeca as wide as the B11S, or give it as long a wheelbase as the B11S? Surely the increased with and increased wheelbase would have benefited the Tribeca immeasurably.
One also has to wonder if there is a still larger vehicle yet to come than the B9 Tribeca, bearing a B11 name tag (and measurements)?
Bob
One possible alternative - Might it be possible to convert the driver's seat electrics to also fit the passenger seat?? Maybe the dealer's people could do it?
-Karen in AZ - :shades:
-Karen in AZ - :shades:
-Karen in AZ- :shades:
1. Anyone know if you can type in a restaurant or business name, or do you have to know the address?
2. I heard that in order to update the nav each year, you have to fork over $1000 for the DVD update. This sounds insane, and came from a former BMW salesman now working for Subaru. Anyone know any details?
-Karen in AZ- :shades:
I just need to rub the bottle a little to make her appear!
Based on the VIN# I'm given, and the VIN#s I've seen on lots and online inventory lists, I should be "Tribecadventuring" already. (I JUST coined that term, so any of you ad exec copywriters out that that think you're going to steal it...you owe me one Free Tribeca, and a lucrative ad agency job.)
Has anyone attempted to "pick their's up?" Like others, I'm tired of the delivery delays and figure I can probably fly into Indi, hitch-hike to Lafaytte with some Purdue student, show up at some big gray door with a purchase agreement and be on my way. Anyone ever tried this, or shall I be the lucky first?
Sorry I havent been on the forum lately, we were out driving around all weekend.
Very fun to drive and we enjoy all the features. A big difference from our Forester. We love the 6 disk changer and the speakers sound great. We have enjoyed the nav and look forward to our first road trip.
Bob