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Mustangs and Vettes will always sell.
If the others want in, it's a mixture of timing, product, pricing, and heritage.
Looks like Toyota will not be pulled back in, like "The Godfather", anytime soon.
DrFill
I think from Toyota's business-oriented perspective, this segment IS too crowded to bother bringing in another model.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
All else failing how about an IS460 coupe (or supercharged IS350 coupe) with a manual tranny and a VDIM kill switch please?
***on that note, have you guys seen the TRD Tacoma X runner?!?! supercharged 1GR engine 400hp, 350ft/lbs tq...from a base of 245hp, 285 ft/lbs tq***
Drfill
aww heck, here is the link......
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Yikes......the power of Toyota to keep this car under wraps is downright scary :surprise: :P
JOE
We all know Toyota needs a car like this. If Edmunds is predicting a 2006 release date there should be some new information on it.
Mullins
And if I sound bitter, well, i was really hoping for a revival of the Supraname too. I can't believe Toyota would let Nissan revive the mighty Z car and not offer anything to compete. Times have really changed at the hybrid-n-huge-trucks brand...
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
And with the market soon to be flooded with powerful RWD coupes (retro styled muscle cars) that actually can HANDLE respecfully (Mustang, GTO, Camaro, and Challenger), in addition to the 350Z/G35 and RX8, maybe Toyota figures there just isn't room for another RWD sports coupe in the $30-$35k range?
Besides, they're probably trying to carve out another niche for YET ANOTHER DAMN SUV to add to the lineup..... :mad:
I don't know why it irritates me so much that the highest performing vehicle that Toyota offers with a manual transmission is a.....pickup truck? :confuse:
Guess we'll just have to learn to love the next-gen 270 hp Solara V-6 SE, with sport package, eh??!! Automatic only, of course.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Hello FJ Cruiser! :surprise:
In a perfect world, the Supra would replace the Land Cruiser in the lineup, as having the FJ (according to Toyota, the most capable off-raoder they produce) and Land Cruiser is somewhat redundant.
Toyota doesn't even offer a $20k sports coupe, that's a hint. Try getting a Solara with a stick!
With the success of the Scion tC, Toyota may realize, by 2010, that there is a nice market for a sporty Toyota. I've driven the tC, and it is no sports car, but a quality car. Celica was a secretary's car, 'cept for the All-Trac.
If the '93 arrived in 1990, aaginst the '90 300ZX, it would've been LS400 vs. Q45 all over again.
It's time to let this dream go guys ("I just keep having this dream!"). We all have to wake up, and find new heroes.
I'm backing the Evo X, myself. Hopefully, Mitsu is still solvent in 2 years. And they also don't go SMG.
DrFill
I've driven the tC too, and it was no Celica (particularly compared to my GTS). I really, really wanted to like the tC. No dice for me.
"It's time to let this dream go guys"
Yep. Afraid you're right. See you around, Toyota......
Against this backdrop, Toyota has NOTHING AT ALL to compete. No, tC doesn't count, I have driven it, a decent car yes, but such a pale replacement for the Celica it doesn't even count, especially not among that group of cars I just mentioned.
This is by far the biggest hole in the Toyota line-up these days. The Land Cruiser has been over-luxed to the point of extinction, which it will probably become at the next revamp. I say kill it but keep an LX for the Lexus set, and produce a really worthy sporty car instead. Make it four doors if you have to, but make it a Toyota.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
But then, the last Celica, MRS, and IS300 didn't sell a whole lot. It may be that only specialized manufacturers can afford to go for such a small market. Or financially unwise ones. Are people like us relevant?
ouch.
Well, I think I'm pretty relevant.
And yeah, as far as the imports go, I'm starting to lean heavily towards Mazda. Their new Kabura (sp?) concept looks like the spiritual successor to my Celica GTS, with the added bonus of being RWD. And the RX-8 could easily be my next car (although the rotary is a bit thirsty for the amount of torque it generates).
I can't say at this time I've definitely switched flags to Mazda (I've got a soft spot for the Mustang and the Camaro concept looks really appetizing to me), but it definitely ain't Toyota anymore.
If this is found to be true, that's great ! That car is so good looking ! ">
Not to mention, "sportiness" is mostly something manufacturers advertise to sell cars, even as they dumb those cars down for the American market.
Mazda is one of the few manufacturers that doesn't do this, and look how they got punished (in sales) for it with the Mazda6.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Where did you get this, can this be considered somewhat reliable? I'm just like everyone else in this post, I'm really hopeful for the supra to come back. Mazda, Nissan, Mitsbushi all pale in comparison to what the Supra left behind when it left us in 1998. If it's legit, it gives me hope that we'll see the return of the supra. It's tough to get a good feel for the size of the car, but I like what I see. Any ideas guy!?!?!?!
If this isnt the supra, how about that design for the SC?
If this isnt the supra, how about that design for the SC?
i don't think the SC will look like this, because the SC will stick to the l-finesse design. And this just doesn't have any l-finesse at all, though it's handsome...
That's gotta be $45k+! I don't know if that would be a Toyota at that price.
Not as fly as the '93, but worth looking at.
DrFill
the 300hp V6 version
That 'vert has got 6-speed Auto written all over it. But a "Base" 6-speed stick coupe for $34,995 would be dominant! A G35 coupe competitor.
DrFill
If we see the MKV Supra, my guesses are:
- same engine as the LF-A for half the price; or
- the LF-A will be a Lexus Supra
Either way, it will beat the Corvette and everything else with 500HP or less.
The supra was, is and always will be a toyota. If you want a lexus 'supra' that'd be the soarer a.k.a Lexus SC.
DrFill
I would like to see a turboed Supra above the regular 3.5L V-6 one.
You don't need a turbo on the "base" model. If there are two versions, then it would be great to have a turbo step-up option.
However, I have always thought it most likely that if the Supra made it back, it would be using the engines out of existing Lexus models, and starting at around $30K. In that case, I would hope for the 3.5 out of the IS as the base car, and the future V-8 out of the GS as the step-up engine. I don't think it will be a good business case for Toyota to spend a lot on development of such a niche model (and we know Toyota depends on good business models to launch products), so the chances of an all-new turbo engine for the Supra are slim to none.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Further more, if you use the old SAE standards (which the MKIV TT Supra was measured by) you would see the 2GR-FSE makes 315-325 hp. That'd do it for me, how about you?
And no, I dont own a MKIV, but my project car would be a 1992 JZA70.
And with respect to the users who commented that a supra isnt a supra with out a turbo, get with the times. You wont be seeing any supra turbo unless its aftermarket or TRD. And as for history, ALL supras, from its ancestor, the 2000gt to the celica-supra, up to the 1985 Supras were NA (only JDM models were offered with turbos from 1981) :P
I'd love to see a new TT supra as much as anybody else, but Ive already come to terms with the fact that we probably wont see one, if we get a new supra at all.
The Z sells great with a large six. If Toyota made a Supra, it would be three things.
1. Lighter than the pudgy Z
2. More powerful
3. Better lookin'! Just like before! :shades:
DrFill
I didn't say anything about the new Supra (still a big if) having a turbo. I will say it again. If we see the new Supra, it will have more power than the previous generation. Again that's my guess.
A MKV with 315-325 hp? I would look and admire it, but I wouldn't buy it.
thinkknow you are wrong.I'm sure Toyota is greiving about that fact that you wouldnt buy the MKV if it came out with more hp than anything in its supposed target market as well as more than the last gen NA and TT supra(320hp), I sure am.......how dare you?!?!
I suppose that a MKV would sell at a price point between $27-32k, how many other V6, 315-325hp RWD sport coupes sell at that price point?
The base Lexus IS coupe would be putting out similar figures, I dont see Toyota providing a more powerful car for cheaper, and they simply can't make it more expensive.
Pray tell, what would you buy? 350Z? Mustang V8? I'm curious, and even more curious about what you'd expect. Maybe a 400-500 hp V8/V10 for lets say maybe $25-35K?