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What i'm trying to say is that i hope toyota turbocharge the supra so that way import could come up.
because #1 reason head gasket
#2 turbo seal
after those 7m's toyota came out with 1jz and the mkiv 2jzgte toyota did an excellant job. i love those engines, never had any problems with them. I"ve own 6mge,7mgte,1jzgte,2jzgte,and 3sgte. and i dislike the 7mgte even tho it threw out massive hp.
hopefuly we can change toyota way of builting supra N/A and V-block. i mean if you take a minute and look at the skyline, honda s-2000,Type R,Evo,and others inlines.
Nissan and Hondas manufacturers are pretty successful with inline turbos so i think toyota should stick with inline turbo.
Trying to sale a na supra is one thing but if you think twice and try saleing a turbo supra more people would be interested in it. People now are looking for fast and the furious cars not vans. In 1993-98 toyota supra were unknow due to lack of advertise. Thats why supra weren't selling, but look at it know toyota supra turbo are sky rocketing.Nobody knew these cars existed unless you where a toyota guy.
TRD would have a turbo ready within a year for 400HP.
DrFill
"2008 Toyota Supra
On Sale : Unconfirmed
These photos were Japanese interpretations of the next-gen Supra. Toyota is currently testing a supercar in the $100,000 range. Technology from this car may pass down to a future Supra, which may receive anything from a boosted V6 to a V8, or even a hybrid in its top form. Toyota has no comment, but the Supra nameplate will be back."
Modern Racer
http://shopper.howstuffworks.com/products/2007+Toyota+Supra/SF-1/PID-23227515#desc
http://www.autospies.com/images/uploads/medium/Supra.jpg
So today, when I was looking at Edmunds for information on this Toyota model, it wasn't listed. Now after finding this forum, I understand why.. but what I don't understand is how did I see what I saw last week? Could it have been some Car and Driver editor who got to take a prototype for a test spin or something?
I'm bewildered..
:confuse:
I hope not, though
Since Toyota has a history of keeping upcoming models under close wraps (literally; even preproduction models don't hit public roads without a large amount of camoflauge wrap disguising the bodywork), virtually nothing is on the show car circuit that one could point at and say it is DEFINITELY the new Supra, and they are not expecting to release anything until '07, I have a hard time believing that a future generation Supra is running around on the streets. Besides, why would Toyota let a prototype wander around with "Supra" on the deck lid for all the world to see?
I'd be willing to bet that either you saw a previous generation Supra, or some kid stuck a Supra badge on the back of his Celica.
Proabably. I've seen some Supras that have had the bejeezus modded out of them.
", or some kid stuck a Supra badge on the back of his Celica."
Dumb kids
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This car is worth the wait, I didnt go for the 350z, I will get this one instead.
The Z was 'Yota's kick in the pants. Selling 40k mediocre sports cars will get 'Yota thinking $$!
They know they could EASILY build a better Z, they're worried about costs if the model fizzles after 2 years, like sports cars do. With the 3.5 built and ready to rock more than 300HP, the expensive engine is amortized by it's prolific use, as Nissan spreads it around like fertilizer. Nissan gave them the blueprint, now they will perfect the formula! A-la Lexus!
A juiced 5.0 V8 will power the LF-A (forget a V10), and can produce up to 500Hp with i-VVTi+L. That will also see duty in the GS and maybe the IS, in less powerful forms.
I HOPE the picture in this months SPEED Magazine (R&T) is close to what we will git! That was a pretty sweet ride!
DrFill
It doesn't have to be a Corvette but it shouldn't be significantly better than the 350Z. That is the Supra that I want. As a nice round number I think that there should be at least a 340hp V8 and then TRD that to 400hp. I'd be satisfied. The V8 engine could get use in some of the trucks, the Avalon, and the Lexus's.
""and then TRD that to 400hp.""
Yeah! (If not higher )
I also liked the SMT in the MR2. It was a lot better than BMW's *#&% SMG.
And if you want to see my cars E-mail me.
Well, it doesn't look good. Edmunds posted part 3 of their Tokyo Auto Show preview today featuring the offerings from Toyota.
All I see are a bunch of weird transportation module/podmobile concepts featuring a bunch of hybrid/fuel cell powertrains. And slight mention of the Lexus LF-A with a 500hp V10 (and likely near $100k pricetag).
And absolutely no mention of a new Supra.
So, it doesn't look like a new Supra will be shown at the Show (at least, not as a 'concept'). I have no idea if Toyota will show us a production version or not once the show officially opens. But I'm getting antsy.....
Thanks!
I'm getting more than a bit perturbed........right now, it looks like my next car purchase will be either a Mustang or RX-8.
Oh, but thank God Toyota will release the $100k V10 powered Lexus LF-A. That's JUST what they need...... :confuse:
Haven't heard a word on Supra since the 'net went wild with unfounded rumors a while back. I don't think it is happening. An '07 model would be arriving in 12 months or less from right now. Still who knows, car show season is coming up...
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Way to go Toyota, talk about wanting to bring in a "younger" buyer and then abandon the MR2, the Celica, and the Supra!
Ummm, okay. Which is one reason why we want a new Supra......
Dr.Fill..... its official now that the LF-A has a V10...can we still bank that we'd be getting a supra within the next 2yrs :P
If we do see a supra, my guesses are:
1) Based on the same IS/GS platform
2) IS 350's engine tuned to about 330hp
3) 2000GT styling (hopefully w/ MKIV style taillights)
4) 1300kg-1400kg kerbweight
5) between 26k and 30k
in addition to that, how about it coming as a targa top? that'd be sweet
Targa Tops add weight, but are very pretty.
A 2000GT update would be most sweet!!
I'm gonna fire up the Etch-A-Sketch right now!!
DrFill
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Not gonna hold my breath for a $22k Supra, but with the traffic Toyota is now commanding, a well-made, cheaper Supra would sell and have legs, like a Z.
Mazda doesn't have traffic so it's RX-8 sales are falling fast as the car ages.
Toyota has grown greatly over the last 10 years, and spreading the cost with the IS, along with a viable sports car market at $30k, will make a good business case.
DrFill
Deal with it....the only company sticking to I6 engines is BMW, and their inline 6's will be phased out soon too.
If u want turbos, go aftermarket, cause a supra turbo will be more expensive than an NA v6 and the same thing will happen all over again, like in the late 90's.
fill... exactly what i'm talking about u see where i'm coming from :shades:
And I am sure a $30K 306 hp Supra would kill in the market. Just please, Toyota, don't get too out of hand with the options and packages. Give it superlative handling and a great stereo at the base price, and keep most of the high-end options for the Lexus version.
Nissan does FANTASTICALLY well selling both 350Z's in FOUR DIFFERENT trims AND a G35 coupe, and BMW sells plenty of coupes and four-doors with two different engines. I don't know why everyone is so pessimistic about Toyota's odds of being able to sell so many variants of the IS platform, some labelled Supra, some labelled IS. Toyota engineering is every bit the equal of these other companies, IMO, even if their days of the most sporting models for the street ARE a few years behind them now.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
And you dont want to imagine the uproar a 204hp supra would cause. Doesnt matter if there is another higher powered version.......no new supra should be less powerful than the last generation one. Marketing suicide.
And the 350z's 4 different trims are all based around the SAME engine and power rating in a braket of about 30hp. An RX-8 bases at about 25k.... toyota isnt gonna get a weak [non-permissible content removed] supra sold a 22-24k, but a 350z stomping behemoth at 26-32k would do just fine. Its about image really.............a 204hp Supra would do nothing but weaken the little respect they have left for building a competent sport car.
I am sure that in a couple of years, this is where the IS is going anyway. IS 300 and IS460. I like that for the Supra. 250 and 350 hp variants, selling at $25K and $32K base price, respectively. With IS coupe variants of each, selling at about a $8K premium over the Supra with the same powertrain, and of course packing a whole lot more of that Lexus panache and standard equipment.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I personally think (and would like to see that) the GS and IS make a swap...the IS gets the 255hp 3.0l to make an IS300 to replace the IS250, while the GS gets the IS350's 3.5 L to make a GS350.... then the GS430 would be dropped and replaced by the GS450h. Any version of either the IS or GS carrying the future LS 4.6L v8 would be in the vein of a performance oriented version......i'm not convinced that a GS460 is a given upgrade for next year, (and its not been confirmed, have no idea where the rumor came from) and I dont think it makes sense either if its not something akin to an 'M' or 'AMG' version as it would have pretty much similar output to the 450 hybrid.
....................................... sorry for the off topic rant , anyway,
What i'm saying is toyota is capable of making a 3.5L n/a Supra, that comes stock well equipped and with a good stero and with options to be in the price range of 26-35k...and thats the only verion that would mke sense..business wise, marketing wise, REPUTATION wise and of course to satisfy the legion of aspiring supra owners (at least those sensible enough to realise the 2JZ turbo aint coming back).
Hmm ... 3-series is still the one to beat, or isn't it :P
BTW, the turbo is the only reason why the 93+ Supra is special, worth as much today as if they were new.
And no, the turbo isn't the only thing that made the car special......maybe it makes it more valuable than the NA version, but here are a lot of things about the supra that make it special and desireable.
Not like Toyota needs a homerun, they already have many, but this car is more about making a statement.
No one knew what kind of sports car the rumored Supra would be, but apparently we were all fooled and everything led to the Lexus LF-A.
Toyota hasn't said anything about a new Supra for a long time, basically.
That is why I created the current FL Cruiser forum, initially named "Why I Hate The 2007 FJ Cruiser!" The fun police made the title more appealing to kids, so it is now just "2007 FJ Cruiser 4X4".
I think Toyota needs another truck/SUV like GM needs another OHV engine, but Toyota and I will agree to disagree on that one....
I don't see why Nissan can make money on the Z, but Toyota can't.
DrFill
Personally, I think that 90% of the sales for the new FJ cruiser will come at the expense of other Toyota SUV's. I just don't see it attracting much non-Toyota traffic. Is it just my perception or is the small, entry Sport/cute-ute market getting to be a bit crowded?
On the other hand how many $25k-35k RWD sport coupes are there on the market?
Mazda rx 8 & mx5 (grand touring)
Nissan 350z
Honda S2000
Chrystler crossfire (non roadster/non srt version)