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MP3 jack and available leather-wrapped steering wheel with audio controls (XLE, S and XRS only)
I am still disappointed by the fact that
1) Not available on LE or standard
2) Optional, not standard on XLE and above
3) Still can't apprehend the option of a Nav model with no steering wheel audio control? (see pic in my previous post)
I think most side mouldings and certainly the nasty plood in the current Corolla LE is ugly and might pay a dealer a few bucks extra to rip it off/out. So if that makes me part of this "younger generation" that keeps getting referenced here, then I guess I'm younger than I thought.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
But it offers an all-new body with a lean, stylish shape, and it delivers increased interior and luggage room, more power, more economical engines and an all-new chassis and suspension.
But no mention in the lengthy press release as to whether it's an independent rear suspension. So that leads me to think that either Toyota was embarrassed to admit in the press release the the Corolla is finally getting an independent rear suspension for 2009, or it's not getting one.
Radically different not really but it is all new.
Or is this just marketing-speak?
Steering wheel controls are needed with bluetooth, so maybe the bluetooth only comes with the JBL stereo and not the nav stereo.
Don't expect it standard on the LE.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Yes to what? :-P
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
One answers your question - and, you don't get it - amazing!
I had a feeling that's what you meant.
Caliber and Sentra don't. Civic does. The good thing you can say about a torsion beam rear is that it is durable (for less costs to the consumer down the line) and cheaper to put in in the first place, keeping the sticker price down.
Obviously, performance-based merits are all on the side of the indy rear.
Toyota shies heavily away from giving their cars even a hint of sportiness, hence the choice to continue the torsion beam.
IMO, the thing Toyota should strive to avoid is having their compact car labelled a "cheap little appliance", an abyss they continue to skirt without quite falling into it...
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
They had a torsion beam rear suspension. Also the Focus and VW Rabbit have IRS.
I confirmed that Sentra and Cobalt have a torsion beam in the rear. Not exactly rarefied company for Corolla to be in for the next gen, to be sure.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
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SEMA came, saw the new US version of the Corolla, and immediately got my deposit refund back and bought a 08 Accord with NAV.
Me thinks.... That Toyota does not like the US very much or are just plain stupid by giving us a dumb down corolla over some other nations. I would have jumped on the new car, but thank you toyota for waking me up to reliality that you don't care about us that much to give us something that would have been good, and replace it with another version many do not like
"Additional options on select grades include JBL Audio system with AM/FM six-disc CD changer with eight speakers and Bluetooth®, Navigation system with AM/FM CD with MP3/WMA playback capability and XM® satellite radio with XM NavTraffic® capable with six speakers, leather-trimmed seats and shift knob, tilt and slide moonroof, VSC with TRAC and cut-off switch.
Well clearly the above paragraph doesn't spell out if the leather is on more than one grade which is what you're trying to claim.
Furthermore, if you go to:
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/corolla/index.html?s_van=GM_HOME_COROLLA_F- UTURE_IMG
Click Explore and Learn and then click the Reveal Video, the pictures of the leather interior are grayed out for all trims except for the XRS. If other trims had leather as a option they would be highlighted as well.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
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Me agrees with you. Nav has been available in European market Corollas since 2003. You can see a picture of one in one of my Carspace albums from the Frankfurt auto show 2003. And I do think they think we are dumb. Look what they did with Lexus. They glorified Toyotas and charged premium prices for them and we bought them hook, line, and sinker. I still can't believe some Lexus owners don't know they are driving Toyotas. :confuse:
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Why wouldn't they put upscale options in a compact vehicle if we bought them and they could make a profit from it? It's just a business decision that we the consumers, til now, have forced on all the vehicle makers. Go to the Ford and GM sites and you'll hear the very same complaints about the Euro Focus and the Euro GM Astra vs the NADM Focus and Cobalt.
When the vehcle makers ask us the buyers what we want in our economy cars the mmost important consideration is PRICE!!! You yourself said the same when I broached the possibility of a $23-$24K Corolla. $24000 Corolla?????????? Who's going to buy it when they can get a Camry for less?
Europeans buy these all the time at that price. In Japan the Corolla is the primary vehicle since forever.
Here it's basic transportation...'Take all the 'junk' out of it and just give me 4 doors, 4 wheels and rollup windows.'
We'll see soon if a $24000 Corolla will fly here. BTW the timing couldn't be better for the debut of a new 'economy' vehicle as gas goes toward $4 and $5 by next summer.
The 09 Corolla could have been the same, with a nice interior, and nicer Nav but they decided against it. I would have purchased one and almost did with the deposit until I was disappointed with the SEMA showing over what I thought would be the interior that was shown before. What is so hard to have the same interior layout as the Europe model. Not that much of a change. Should not cost all that different by the looks of it.
At least Toyota could have offered the upgraded interior such as those in Europe, but not so. I had a 03 Corolla and was looking forward to the long waited 09, but boy did they ever mess up and all that time for this ? Something is wrong some where at Toyota.
I took my business elsewhere.
In the same way, you and I may go to a different make because of our tastes, but the fact remains that Toyota's Plain Vanilla keeps selling and selling.
I certainly did not. I wonder who did.
There was really no incentive for American car companies to upgrade their passenger cars four years ago either when they were moving tons of large SUV's and light trucks off the lots with big profit margins.
However, when the gas crunch hit, those large vehicles sat on lots causing billions of dollars in losses.
With oil closing in on $100 per barrel there is a huge risk to companies like Toyota that want to continue to offer North Americans stripped down compact cars and not upgrade them with more features comparable with autos sold in Europe and Japan.
Honda offers a 4 cylinder Civic with heated leather seats beginning this year. Other than Mackabee's supposed "inside" sources, there's been no official info from Toyota that the Corolla will be available with the same feature for the 4 cyl.
Business is about forward thinking, not doing the same thing just because it's always been done that way.
This theory cuts both ways. If the gas price skyrockets, people can just as well want stripped down cars that are affordable when everything else is getting expensive due to the fuel surcharge. You may be right, though.
By the way, what is Honda forecasting for the unit output of the leather-trimmed Civic for 2008?
Of course there was. The announcement at the SEMA release was clear, leather, Navi, JBL + Bluetooth are all going to be options. In the Canadian release they also 'imply' by their pics that SKS and Auto Climate are also options. They're being cute about it by not saying anything and keeping the chatter flowing until release.
What's worse than someone saying something bad about your product? Nobody talking about it at all.
You look at this from the eyesight of a driving enthusiast, which is fine. Now if there are 500 others who have no interest at all in powertrain, suspension and handling and all they want is Dependability, Reliability and Price... nothing more. 4 doors and 4 wheels.is all they want to get from A to B then yes Toyota may lose the 12 enthusiasts but gain 12,000 others because the vehicle is priced right. In the end nothing matter except which vehicle makes more money. The rest is fanboi hoohaa and beauty contests. Just count the money at the end of the year and that's the winner.
Toyota doesn't need to better any competition, it only hs to appeal to the most buyers. If they want to appeal to the more basic buyer that's fine, it's a HUGE market and there's enough for all the others. Let Mazda, Nissan and Honda fight for the enthusiasts Toyota has its hands full with Hyundai.
BTW both the Civic and Corolla have similar safety features.
You look at this from the eyesight of a driving enthusiast, which is fine. Now if there are 500 others who have no interest at all in powertrain, suspension and handling and all they want is Dependability, Reliability and Price... nothing more. 4 doors and 4 wheels.is all they want to get from A to B then yes Toyota may lose the 12 enthusiasts but gain 12,000 others because the vehicle is priced right. In the end nothing matter except which vehicle makes more money. The rest is fanboi hoohaa and beauty contests. Just count the money at the end of the year and that's the winner.
Toyota doesn't need to better any competition, it only hs to appeal to the most buyers. If they want to appeal to the more basic buyer that's fine, it's a HUGE market and there's enough for all the others. Let Mazda, Nissan and Honda fight for the enthusiasts Toyota has its hands full with Hyundai.
BTW both the Civic and Corolla have similar safety features.
I could not agree more, kdhspyder. One could even say that the Corolla's 41 years' successful run is precisely because Toyota ignores so-called auto enthusiasts.
In fact, in the Japanese automotive world where I used to be in, there is a saying that no car that critics rave about ever sells. An overwhelming majority of the COTY Japan Car of the Year winners have historically been a major commercial flop. If I could short-sell a COTY JCY winner like a stock, I would be making oodles of money every year.
You're probably right with the COTY but only with respect to Toyotas who won it. As far as I know COTY award winners from Honda such as the Civic and Fit were hugely succesful.
BTW Civic has Active head restraint, Corolla has none.
We'll revisit the pricing when the new 09s arrive.
Count on this. The Corolla will outsell the Civic and make much much more money for the parent company. And in the end that's the only criteria that counts.
Everything else is just beauty pageantry hoopla.
Besides, Honda is now one model year away from doing their mid-model change (MMC) on the current Civic. Honda could easily offer a new 1.8-liter I-4 engine with the new Advanced VTEC valvetrain and a six-speed automatic, and that will make it even MORE desirable than the new Corolla. I hope Toyota comes to its senses and offers a Corolla sedan with the new 150 bhp Valvematic engine and a 5AT transmission to better compete against the upgraded Civic.
Perhaps an automotive executive cares who sells the most at the end of the day, but as a buyer it means zilch to me. As a buyer, I want the most features and the highest quality in relation to the dollars I'm willing to pay.
American manufacturers thought nothing mattered except which vehicle makes more money for many years too. So they did the same thing you're advising to keep counting the money and declaring a winner. They followed your advice and now they're in the hole.
Car buyers don't change their buying habits as quickly as buyers of clothes or music. But as proven by the decline market share of the "Big 3", change they eventually will.
So sure Toyota can throw any old Corolla out on the lot and it will sell in the short term. But if they don't continue to offer a cutting edge product in terms of features and value, the money they may have counted in 2006 won't count for much in 2016.