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Most well run stores are down to their last 4 or 5 or 6 units just as the new batch of 09s start to arrive. For Toyota there's no reason to sweeten the incentives. They're done with those models. What the individual dealers do is dependent on how they've been moving the old Corolla in the last several months.
This is why Toyota and its dealers are so successful and the others are not. Planning and inventory control are a science that Toyota has mastered,.
Mack
I wouldn't get fixated on it, but a center dash mounted clock makes more sense to me (allows all occupants to view it and keeps it out of the drivers focus when he/she needs to know what the car is doing). However I didn't like the dim little digital clock in my three Toyotas.
This looks a bit more promising than I'd imagined, still its about a $1500 increase for a LE with automatic (based on Edmunds TMV in my area with current incentives for a 2008).
Yep, 62 2008 Corollas at the local dealership. I don't know a time when they have ever had this many.
This is why Toyota and its dealers are so successful and the others are not. Planning and inventory control are a science that Toyota has mastered,.
For 2007 Toyota had lower customer satisfaction than Buick and Mercury, Is this another science that Toyota has mastered?
quote ASCI - Four other companies tied with a score of 86: Buick, Cadillac, Lincoln/Mercury (both owned by Ford) and BMW.
Toyota dropped three points from 87 to 84. The survey suggests that poor customer service and a number of recalls over the past year are to blame for the fall. Rounding out the bottom of the list is Jeep,-end
Lexus was number 1.
And Toyota has the highest retention rating of all mainstream dealers. Go figure. The buyers come in are so-so about the experience, buy and just keep coming back. Volume continues to grow, profits continue apace. Weird don't ya think?
What's a Corolla XRS, and how can I see one w/leather and heated seats? :confuse:
Can't wait for the new Corolla although I know it will be in the next couple of weeks. Dealers in Ca always get the new product first.
Mack
Mack
The exterior is ho-hum. It actully looks better in the pictures than in person. Who knows maybe the S and XRS will look better.
Mackabee
Without close inspection one might not know that this Gen10 is not a Gen9. Look quick and ...
However that being said it is not at all the same vehicle. It's not even close. First it is a lot roomier inside, especially shoulder-to-shoulder. When parked next to the Gen9 it seems more substantial. The Gen9 has a higher roofline and has gobs of head room inside if you don't mind rubbing shoulders. I also parked it next to a 2001 Camry LE that we had just traded in. It's nearly the same size with two key styling differences; the A-pillar & windshield are raked much more making the hood shorter but the cabin longer in front. The trunk in the Gen10 Corolla is higher but shorter than that of the Gen4 Camry. Both are the same width and height but the seating position in the Corolla is higher. From 200,000+ miles in the Gen4 Camry one had to squat to get into the driver's seat.
The new 1.8L is much much different than that in the Gen9. The prior 1.8L is very torquey and frankly loud/harsh. The new VVT-i by comparison has a low buzz which isn't as intrusive. It's not quite as torqey I think. The handling was quiet and tight as would be expected....dead silent at cruising speed while hugging the inside line on curves at 60-65 mph.
The interior is, eh. It's a $20700 vehicle, it's not a $25000 or $30000 vehicle, it's roughly the same as my $21000 Camry back in 1997....with a ton of features that I never had in my '97 or 2000 Camry's. The seating and steering wheel position is world's better than the last Gen Corolla. The trunk in this model is a lot bigger as well. This new model has 6 A/B, Moonroof, Alloys, VSC/Trac, spoiler, ABS/BA/EBD, XM+AUX, more power and better fuel economy than either the last gen Corolla or my '97 or 2000 Camry's.
Summary: Exciting? Not really.......... Stunning? Nope.............. Value? Everywhere...I think it will sell like mad.
Normal disclaimer: :shades:
I'm still disappointed in this car because the 4 speed was described as high revving at highway speeds and felt like it needed to upshift into overdrive.
You can get a 5-speed automatic on the XRS, but then you get a bigger engine that uses significantly more gas.
Mack
Mack
http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/ToyotaCorolla/Index2009.htm
I wonder what the RPMS are running at 70 MPH in 4th on the Corolla and how that compares to the 5th gear on a Civic?
It doesn't sound like this will be the best small sedan for cruising long distances at highway speeds. I'm sure you can crank up the stereo to drown out the noise, but I'd rather have a relaxed overdrive 5th gear.
The key demographic group(s) to capture is the satisfied repeat Corolla buyers which may just opt for the $17000 standard AT version like they always have and the ones who are finishing up on their Gen4 Camrys. The new Camry is priced in the $22000-$25000 range for the most popular trims. Someone looking to avoid sticker shock and still get good value can get into this mini-Camry for $20000 or less.
As to it surpassing the Camry I think it all depends on the price of fuel. If fuel spikes to $4 - $6 in the near term all small vehicles will prosper to the detriment of the bigger ones. The midsizers will gain some - and lose some - but the smaller ones will gain huge volumes. If fuel stays at about $3 for the next 5 years, which I doubt sincerely, then nothing much will change from today.
A Corolla for $16k with all of the above plus alloys, fog lamps, and some interior accoutrements like rear center armrest, leather steering wheel, satellite radio would be a real good buy in this class. If it's a stripped car for $16k though, then I'd either go for a competitor with more equipment, or even a mid-sized car that has most if not all of that equipment. Since I only drive less than 10k miles a year, I can afford 10% less fuel economy, even at $5 a gallon.
Mack
Yes I know that you would prefer a competing product as we've had this discussion over and over on both the Camry and now the Corolla boards. Yes there are lower prices for the same equipment available from Hyundai but there are only so many Hyundais that can be sold.
Soon the production at the Hyundai plants will be maxxed out and Toyota will be able to sell the remainder of what is an increasingly huge market. This is good for everybody. Hyundai gets to sell all the vehicles it wants at prices ranging from $13000-$20000 and Toyota gets to sell what it wants at prices ranging from $16000-$22000. The world is in balance.
Having multiple options to offer the customer is a good thing as well. Being able to offer them all the options being discussed herein at prices from $13000 - $24000 is a huge benefit.
I AM curious to see if I can get an XRS with moonroof (stick shift) for $20K. I don't want NAV or Bluetooth, just the moonroof. If I can get that at $20K, it is a marginally better deal than the Civic SI, although I might still go the extra $1K and get the Honda.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I have three theorethical Corollas which I'm curious about, and in terms of competitive vehicles, I'm thinking of the Civic LX and EX with the first two, and the Mazda 3s with the third.
Can you provide the price for:
1) Corolla LE 4A with cruise control and all-weather
2) Corolla XLE 4A with moonroof, alloys, VSC (not available Civic EX), stereo upgrade
3) Corolla XRS 5M with moonroof, leather, stereo upgrade
Nippon - Its interesting that you are comparing the Corolla XRS to the Civic Si, IMHO. I see the Corolla XRS as more of a competitor to the likes of the aforementioned Mazda 3s, Sentra SE-R (non Spec-V), and Subaru Impreza 2.5i....
I think the likes of the Civic Si, Sentra SE-R Spec-V, MazdaSpeed 3, etc.... are on a different performance tier...at least in my perception (and perhaps I'm going on hp requirements of greater than 190....)
Thanks in advance!
LE 4AT 1838, CK, CL, EM, KE, LE, VS.......... @ $18404
XLE 4AT 1840, CK, CL, SR, AW, VS, EJ........ @ $21419
XRS 5MT 1835, CK SR, LA, EJ, PO............... @ $23645
EM is the heated outside mirrors
KE is keyless entry
EJ is the JBL 6CD w/ BT
Toyota had better hope that its Corolla XRS is not viewed as competing with Mazda3s, Sentra SER, and Impreza 2.5i, because all of them without exception cost a LOT less than the XRS will. I think they needed to extract 180 hp from that Camry engine (and add a 6MT) to make a real go of a new XRS trim. As it is, I don't imagine they will sell many, just like last time.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Toyota had better hope that its Corolla XRS is not viewed as competing with Mazda3s, Sentra SER, and Impreza 2.5i, because all of them without exception cost a LOT less than the XRS will. I think they needed to extract 180 hp from that Camry engine (and add a 6MT) to make a real go of a new XRS trim. As it is, I don't imagine they will sell many, just like last time.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Toyota had better hope that its Corolla XRS is not viewed as competing with Mazda3s, Sentra SER, and Impreza 2.5i, because all of them without exception cost a LOT less than the XRS will. I think they needed to extract 180 hp from that Camry engine (and add a 6MT) to make a real go of a new XRS trim. As it is, I don't imagine they will sell many, just like last time.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Toyota had better hope that its Corolla XRS is not viewed as competing with Mazda3s, Sentra SER, and Impreza 2.5i, because all of them without exception cost a LOT less than the XRS will. I think they needed to extract 180 hp from that Camry engine (and add a 6MT) to make a real go of a new XRS trim. As it is, I don't imagine they will sell many, just like last time.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
(as in... CK, CL, LE, PO, LA)
and is 1835 the XRS 5MT or 5A?
nippon - sorry that I don't know what all those codes are, but after I understand that, I'll be able to compare the aforementioned XRS with a similar Mazda 3s.....
thanks, by the way, kdhspyder
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)