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But this is the Tundra's year, so everything else takes a backseat - even the loyal faithful footsoldier Corllla.
What do you think about a 2008 corolla model with same specifications that Mitsubishi EVO or Subaru WRX with 300 HP, Brembo brakes.... and some more special features.... Just Dreaming awake....Happy Holidays and Good Luck in this new year....
The new hybrid 'son of supra' might be something you'd like.
Los precios del Corolla Sedán parten de:
Acabado Terra, desde 63.100 zlotys (17.234 €/ 22.726 dólares)
Acabado Luna, desde 66.300 zlotys (17.254 €/ 22.795 dólares)
Acabado Sol, desde 76.100 zlotys (19.839 €/ 26.165 dólares)
Acabado Prestige, desde 80.600 zlotys (21.000 €/ 27.712 dólares)
:surprise: I think its too high, the US range is between 18K and 22K full loaded, but there is not diesel engine
For example, if Avalon gets rain-sensing windshield washers, Camry will not have them until later. When Camry gets that option, Corolla won't get it until later or at all.
Put point blank, Avalon has to be a better car overall than Camry, and Camry has to be a better car overall than Corolla; which is where pricing comes into play.
I like how Toyota does things in steps. Makes sense to me.
My wife drives a 2004 Corolla LE.
I drive an 2006 Avalon XLS.
On myy day off I drive her Corolla.
Great cars, just different.
Just like Cream and Chicago.
Two great groups, but more musicians
doesn't have to make it a better band.
Both need the things you mentioned +
A 5 speed automanual and a 6 speed manual
Starting at 15k(spec tC.
The corolla by itself needs:
To continue trim designations. -S(E), CE, (X)LE, and le.
A 2.0l i4
-Cj
I like my creature comforts - very much. I'm spoiled and I know it.
I don't care if I can rocket around corners and pass muscle cars on the freeway, though. I just want enough to merge on the freeway safely.
I don't want a large car, either: I do not like large cars.
What I basically want is a Corolla with the 1.8 L engine and some of the better features of an Avalon because I, like you, and like a few others here, too, see the real tangible gains to a small, efficient car.
I like small and efficient very much.
Spartan, however, is not my thing, either.
Those cost more out the door - and the fuel economy is not as good as the 'Yota Corolla.
The Audi A4 would be an option for me at this point - specifically the 1.8T FWD model with the 5-spd auto. The MPG on that model is good.
But it also costs mid-30s, which I just can't abide: I spent too many years in the "struggling to get by" economic group to blow more than, say, 20 to 22 USD on a car.
I have considered the new Elantra. The body seems a bit weird, but the interior is nice. I guess I need to go test-drive one.
This is one of the key reasons why Toyota and Honda have been so successful in keeping down the production costs, they aim for the center of the market and let the others, Mazda, Subaru, etc supply the small volume niche products. There's more money in the center of the market because the volume is bigger and in the end it's all about money.
But there is a lot of safety/convenience equipment that must be added first because either it's mandated or the market demands it...
..6/7 Airbags
..Stability Ctrl
..Traction Ctrl
..Tilt & telescoping steering wheel
..Power seats (?)
..All power windows and locks etc.
..Cruise
In a slightly larger package, there is also the Acura TSX you can probably get for $27K or less after discounting, so I don't think a $25K Corolla would sell.
Plus Pirelli P7000 205-60-16 tires, alloy wheels,4wheel disc brakes, EBD, ABS.
5 speed automatic tranmission, sun roof, cruise control, Bose Premium Sound, 6CD in dash, electric seats, power w/p/Locks and p/mirrows, and all that nice loaded package. Range 23K to 25K US$.
I really don't want a 6: I prefer a 4.
I already have a 6 that is SUPPOSED to get 22 and 32. The only time I have ever seen anything close to 32 was cruising the desperately-flat midwest in October with outside temps in the low 40s (F): under those conditions, with no need for the aircon compressor running, I got 31.
I have *NEVER* seen 22 or 32 otherwise - and I drive reasonably (no more than, at most, 10 over the posted limit, no hard starts).
Fuel will, surely, go up again: I just have no desire to keep pumping gas into the tank and money out of my wallet. Consistent mid 30s for all-around driving would really do me nicely.
$14,205 MSRP [1]
Corolla S
$15,250 MSRP [1]
Corolla LE
$15,415 MSRP [1]
You’ve got a strong sense of where you’re headed in life. So, all you need now is the right set of wheels to get you there. Enter the 2007 Corolla. Under its skin of stylish, contemporary design is a foundation of legendary quality, dependability and value. But, out on the road, the new Corolla is all about thrilling you with a fun-to-drive attitude that’s a perfect match for your own. And no matter which model you choose — the CE, the well-appointed LE, or the aggressively styled S — one thing’s for sure. Wherever it is your Corolla takes you, you’re going to get a lot more satisfaction out of driving there.
$16 - $21 sounds about right. It's right where they are now but without a true upper trim level. Put a nice Euro upper trim with Navi and it's at $21K.
It makes sense too for the customer because at $21K they can choose between a very basic or nice Camry with a much bigger engine and much more room vs a spiffed up Corolla. That's a good choice for the ex-Scion buyer who's a little better off than at first and wants some nice features. It also might appeal to the long time Corolla owner who doesnt want to go all the way up to the HUGE Camry to get some niceties.
2. Keep the excellent fuel economy. Don't go the "bigger, more powerful" route that many other small cars have gone unless the fuel economy numbers stay at least as good as they are now. A study was released today that shows fuel economy is the #1 criterion for car buyers nowadays, with reliability #2.
A 5-6 speed automanual takes care of #2 #1!
-Cj
You know, you do have a point here. I remember when the Camry came out - the very first iteration.
That car was the size of the present Corolla.
And the present Camry?
It's the size of the long-running (and now defunct) bastion of the blue-haired older lady: the several-years-defunct Buick LeSabre (late 1980s - 2000).
brrrrrrrrrrrr!
Please check the Edmunds report about the Civic SI Sedan 4 doors, 2007. with 197Hp. and the new mitsubishi Laner GTS, steal the box and concepts from Lexus IS 350, I love that new design, only have 152HP.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/rsslink.cfm/article/2070119.005/toyota/all-new-toyot- a-corolla-in-depth
The U.S. 10th generation Corolla was said to be delayed and most likely won't come out till late 2007 or early 2008.
It looks fantastic, whith an aggressive front facia similar to the Camry and a very upscale look overall.
THIS IS THE NEW COROLLA FOR US MARKET
IT'S VERY DIFFER FROM EUROPEAN MARKET
THE CONCEPT SHOWN..... SIDE MIRROR FROM THE UNCOVERED PHOTOS
... and there will be no V6! ... and probably only a few if any 2.0L either. Some of the people working at Camrbridge in Ont have the new engine specs already. The sedan body has been ready for nearly 6 months already. Again some have seen it in person.
kdhsypder - Can you post the engine specs as you know them?
~alpha
I thought this was the new Euro Corolla....
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/204745/toyota_auris.html
I prefer the sharper creases and front fascia of the sedan previously shown. This HB looks far too cartoon-like. At least the interior is the same (well, on the wrong side)
~alpha
..the current 1ZZ and 2ZZ 1.8L VVTi engines will be replaced by new 1ZR and 2ZR 1.8L dual VVTi engines with slightly better HP but better FE. As I read it there could also be a 2.0L ZR for a special model.
I will admit that I don't have direct knowledge but from the feel/sound of the discussions and Toyota's normal evolutionary approach it seems right.
Looking at several automotive news websites, they all claim that the name 'Corolla' is dead in Europe (including the UK)... and replaced with Auris. Since Europeans seem to love their small hatchbacks, it'd make sense. For example...
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/23/europeans-gets-first-look-at-toyota-auris/
I punched the pedal on my V6 camry yesterday all the way to the floor after rolling through an electronic toll at 30mph just to see if the car would take off, and it rev'd to 4500-5000 max before shifting so I never reached that magic number where max HP and Torque were produced which is usually around 5500rpm. I usually cruise about town in the 1500-3000 rpm range, even at 70mph. What good is 192hp (2002 V6) if most of that doesnt show up until 3000+rpm? Even being a calm driver I only get 18-23mpg. In perfect conditions I might get 25- but I've never seen 25mpg :mad:
Actually, assuming you were coasting in OD (4th gear) if you nailed the accelerator at 30MPH, you should have near red-lined in second gear around 70MPH, well past 5000 RPM so I'm not sure what you mean?
In Consumer Reports test of your model, they averaged 21 MPG overall. I've found their overall ratings are typically very close to what I've averaged in my cars, and yours don't sound like they are that far off.
~alpha
I had to slow down from 65 to 25 to go through the toll, so I doubt I was in 4th gear. the car shifted twice on its way back to 65, so I was probably in first or 2nd at 30. By the time I reached 65 again I think I maxed at around 4500rpm.
I guess I'm just wondering why the bother advertise horsepower when most drivers never get to use all they advertise. My car has 192 @ 5300rpm and 209ft/lb at 4400rpm. I never make it that high in RPMs. It's like buying a dozen eggs and using only 6 when they sell eggs in half-dozen too.
I'd prefer lower horsepower, but it all be usable. Say 150hp diesel 200ft/lbs of torque available at say 2000-4000rpm. You'd get great milage and have more fun, if the car handles well youd be a lot safer too since you could get out of the way faster as well.
Why bother advertising horsepower? Are you kidding? That's like telling Starbucks not to advertise specialty drinks when most people order plain coffee.
What other metric do you suggest? Max horspower and torque are measureable and can be standardized. If consumers want information on acceleration and economy, the whole picture is easily constructed by consulting the various automotive resources available simply by walking into a corner bookstore, or logging on to the web.
And, normally aspirated (and many turbo) diesels aren't typically faster than similar sized (gasoline) engine vehciles.
~alpha
ENGINE for xD
Type: 1.8-liter, 4-cylinder, DOHC 16-valve EFI with VVT-i
Bore and Stroke: 3.17 x 3.48 inches (3.11 X 3.60)
Displacement: 1798 cc (1794 cc)
Compression Ratio: 10.0:1 (same)
Horsepower: 128 hp @ 6000 rpm (126 hp @ 6000 rpm)
Torque: 125 lb.-ft. @ 4400 rpm (122 lb.-ft. @ 4200 rpm)
I'm curious how much the xD weighs. Anyways, The engine for the next gen Corolla isn't that much powerful than the xD, which is the same by the way. Add another 6 hp and 4 pound feet of torque and there you have it.
Still, I feel that for the NG Corolla, assuming weight doesn't increase significantly, a 134 horse (SAE rated) unit will do fine, especially if they can keep the MPG up. The new Corolla, also, is expected to have a 5A instead of the current 4A.
~alpha