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The difference is simple - with a traditional key, you have to turn it all the way or you can't remove the key, there is no chance of error. With the keyless switch, you don't have that fail safe. I thought I had it down with no problem until Sunday. I was only off by a millimeter, but that made all the difference. I'd probably have had a dead battery if I'd left it parked for several days.
Your condescension aside, I suspect most owners do get it, but on occasion have hurried a bit to get out of the car and made the same mistake I made.
BTW: I have NEVER seen a dead-battery discussion that is tied to the keyless entry system on ANY of the various Infiniti FX forums I participate in! Either RL owners are in more of a "hurry" than FX owners are; or the RL HAS a design flaw!!!!!
But, being in the I.T. field, I will admit that sometimes just ONE thing or another can be too simple on an over-complicated machine. The thought, "It can't be that easy" will often enter the mind when, in fact, it truly is that easy. This appears to be the case with the RL's "keyless" start.
Why is it only RL owners that this is happening to, IF its not the car? :confuse:
My phone shows the battery and signal strength.
I had to read the manual and on-line documentation 'bout four times before I realized the "star" or "notation" next to some of those phones. They said something like, (some features are not available on all models) which led me to getting a $49 Sony Ericsson cell phone.
Been happy ever since.
It comes back to the question, how much do you need to do to protect people from themselves?! :confuse:
But I would be very interested to know what technological measure is employed by Infiniti to avoid similar "accidents".
You have the option to adjust the external temperature = or - I believe 5 degrees. See owners manual
But I would be very interested to know what technological measure is employed by Infiniti to avoid similar "accidents".
I don't think Infiniti is "doing" anything - they are just designed correctly. Apparently FX owners do not "need" to be protected from themselves! I must say that my decision is swinging toward the M35 after this line of conversation!
From those few posts, the discussions on here have degenerated into condescending rants about how stupid RL owners must be if they can't figure out how to turn their cars completely off when they work exactly like a traditional switch with a key. Now we're seeing a bunch of rants against Acura for their supposed flawed design that makes it difficult to turn the ignition all the way off and that is apparently at the root of all the problems.
All of this is as a result of a couple of postings!! I don't see any evidence of a massive problem that could possibly justify all of the anti-Acura and anti-Acura driver posts which I've read on here the last couple of days.
Don't get me wrong, there may still be a problem that is causing the dead battery issue, but to attribute it all to stupid drivers or some design flaw in the keyless ignition switch is not warranted by the evidence I've seen here.
And by the way, compared to the RL, the new Lexus GS does not even have a "Problems and Solutions" board on Edmunds. Does that suggest no problems? Maybe. Granted the GS has not been out very long, so problems may not have accumulated yet.
What I was saying is that maybe some of the owners are simply getting confused by Acura's version of keyless start. For whatever reason, they aren't realizing that the thing is just a built-in key. It's function has ZERO difference from a traditional key other than not having to insert or remove a key from the ignition switch. You still have to twist it through its various positions. That's all. No need to get defensive or offended and try to downplay a possible issue.
Like the saying goes, for every 1 person that has an issue or feels a certain way, there's probably 100 more just like him that aren't saying anything.
Not necessarily. The Problems and Solutions board has to be created. The RL didn't have one either until I created it. The RL's problems were being conveniently hidden within the regular board, so to the casual viewer, it would seem the RL was perfect. I felt it was shady and unfair to people who might have problems or concerns and need to find a possible solution without having to skim through all the "Acura is perfection" posts. I think every vehicle forum here should have a Problems and Solutions board.
That being said, if a Problems and Solutions board was created for the new GS, you'd find posts in it as well. There's no such thing as a perfect car, no matter how Relentlessly it is Pursued. :P
One of your originals comments was "The thing works EXACTLY like a traditional key in having to twist it to the various positions! If the owners would simply realize that, there would be no dead battery issues." A pretty clear inference from that comment was that some RL owners must be stupid if they can't figure it out. You conveniently ignored my statement that even though the two operate the same, the difference is that with a keyed switch, you can't accidentally not turn it all the way off since you can't remove the key unless you do. With the keyless switch, there isn't that fail-safe.
That very well may be. However, my point was, that based on a couple of posts here about a couple of dealers who suggested the problems might be caused by owners not completely switching the ignition off, postings have segued into criticisms of Acura for some supposed design flaw with the keyless switch. All this on the basis of a couple of dealers' speculations.
And I didn't "conveniently ignore" anything, either. With some cars you can remove the key without the ignition switched all the way back; when they're malfunctioning. And based on your statement that it's possible to not turn the key all the way back and have everything turn off, it's might very well be a design flaw on Acura's part. You'd wonder why they didn't have the forethought to have a chime activate when the driver's door is opened and key isn't turned all the way back. I was trying to avoid going down the "design flaw" road and leave it at a simple owner oversight, but since you insist that I'm calling the owners stupid...
Now you're dancing on a double-edged sword. Do you want to insist that some of your comrades are stupid or do you want to concede that Acura made a mistake in the design of the keyless start systems function?
Here's what happens: when the engine is turned off and the truck in opened using the internal trunk release (on the driver's door) it continues to drain the battery. I can't tell you why. However, this creates a dead battery many times when someone goes to the airport, takes their luggage out of the trunk and leaves the car for several days.
However, this can be avoided by either using the internal trunk release prior to turning off the ignition or opening the trunk with either the key fob or external trunk release handle.
Prior to this discovery many dealers have looked for logical reasons this may have happened and have found that driver error revolving around the keyless ignition made sense. As a result, many people may still believe that it is a driver error issue when it has to do with a manufacturing error.
The net result is that Acura RL drivers are no more stupid than anyone else who spends $50K on a first model year car. (That includes me.)
Hope that helps.
Everyone needs to calm down. I think I will go to the M35 and GS300 boards and add a discussion for problems.
Karen :confuse:
Mine does, as well. However, this particular time, it wasn't "half-way" off, it was just a millimeter from being all the way off, and the car did not beep like crazy. I've not been able to recreate the situation. No matter how I try, I can't get it to stop at the point it did that time. I don't know what happened.
AFS has nothing to do with daytime running lights. There is a message which may display in the center pod that says DRL (daytime running lights) is off, which emits when you have the ignition on and the parking brake on.
I don't think I'm really helping you with your problem. Sorry....
Also having problems with rear exhaust all over (white car) bumper I was told they are looking into a fix. The exhaust should be extended more.
And, the front bumper is chipping up. Told the car is low to the ground. Will have to repaint within the next 6 months. No fix.
I have a white RL as well. The black residue around the tailpipes cleans off easily with just about any household cleaner. It's not that big a deal, IMO. Retrofitting longer tailpipes would not look very good, IMO.
That means you're following too closely behind cars. A VERY good wax job will prevent a remarkable amount of chipping and pitting. I highly recommend you get a few coats of Zaino on it right away to minimize the damage.
I put Zaino on my car (don't have an Infiniti M yet) and after almost 3 years, I don't have any chips or dings in my front fascia. If you keep the surface slick enough, pebbles, sand, etc. will deflect away instead of chip away at your paint.
My other half has a two year newer car and she gets chips all the time because she doesn't wax her car. About the only thing I have to worry about damaging my front end is full-fledged rocks/stones or large road debris. I've even had wood kicked up in front of me that left no damage; not even a scratch. Zaino is your friend.
Hey! What happened to the smilies??
That means you're following too closely behind cars. A VERY good wax job will prevent a remarkable amount of chipping and pitting. I highly recommend you get a few coats of Zaino on it right away to minimize the damage.
Not necessarily. Parallel parkers will do that too. Because I have the back-up sensor, I've not bumped my rear bumper into anyone else. However, I still have some chips due to other people hitting my bumper. One nice thing about the color I chose, Blue Pearl, the chips don't show very much since the black under the paint isn't that much darker than the paint. If you have a light colored car, the chips will really show up.
Has anyone had problems with an accident indicator (the yellow triangle) never going away for an accident that occurred 2 months ago? I had the car updated and used the new DVD update that came, but it is still appearing. :confuse:
What would you do with your old steering wheel after the wood one was installed? Everyone said to keep it, but it is just taking up space for now.
Thanks,
Karen
TOP TEN SUPER FUN THINGS TO DO WITH A SPARE RL STEERING WHEEL
1. Auction it off on ebay to someone who wants to retrofit it to their Civic coupe.
2. Pretend you're a rapper and attach it to a chain and wear it around your neck.
3. Brag that you own the only leather-edition frisbee at the beach or park.
4. Hang it in the family room as early 20th century avant garde artwork.
5. Bury it in a time capsule with the caption "Precision Crafted Religious Artifact"
6. Return it to the dealer and loudly complain that the buttons aren't working.
7. Toss it in the air, take photos, and sell to National Enquirer as UFO evidence.
8. Sit on a park bench and steer imaginary car, making "vroom vroom" sounds.
9. Weld it to the passenger side and instantly own an Acura Driver Training car.
10. Order 3 more steering wheels, plus 2 chainsaw's, and refine juggling routine.
Okay, make it eleven...
11. Remove the airbag, and wear the steering wheel on your head like a hat.
I recommend option #1....in fact, there are several already on sale there.
#12....You can also attach it to the roof of your car, so the mother-in-law has a place to sit and truly appreciate SH-AWD
Time for another cold one...
Anyone else having this problem?
Anyone have a solution?
My dealer says they'll be happy to reprogram the computer again, but they don't really know what is causing the problem.
Has anyone else had this issue?
Thanks
now if they can just fix the XM message center display update problem, i will finally have gotten the last remaining bug out of my car.
I have also just started having some shudder and erratic idle on a cold start, like first thing in the morning--and only occasionally--particularly if I am driving near idle speed or very slow. Ironically, my RL never had this problem before the recall (one of the recall fixes was designed to address this problem), only several weeks after the recall. Took it in to the dealer, but they could not replicate the problem--said all is within specs, so no fix needed. This is also somewhat frustrating. Love the car otherwise, but the erratic idle is a causing me some concern.