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You ARE the FJ demographic. You want to look 'cool' and drive on gravel roads once a month.
Thanks for being the only FJ wannabee with the gonads to admit this.
Maybe now the swaggering poseurs who claim the FJ will out off road a Rubicon will join you in revealing their real concerns: colors and stereo choices.
Meanwhile, in the west, we'll pass the Toyota dealer (again) and go get a Jeep or an Xterra. It will soon be revealed that either will eat an FJ in a tough off road situation.
Actually, I bet it's more like 15% of 4x4 vehicles ever see dirt road use, 2% see real trail use and .01% see actual rock crawling.
That's exactly why I ranted on those guys who were bitching about the plastic bumpers. For anyone who really goes offroading, we all know that stock stuff gets torn up. We either just live with that or put armor on. Adding stuff to make it more trail-worthy is a big part of the fun anyway.
Oh Yes, 4wheeling is alive and well in the Pacific Northwest where I live. It's a way of life out here for a large percentage of the population. Some of us actually NEED an actual capable 4x4 just to get to where we work certain times of the year, let alone hunting, camping and fishing spots.
No STOCK rig, H-anything, X-anything, Jeep-anything is ever going to make it down the trails we routinely play on - deep ruts, deep mud, big rocks, etc.
Here's a direct link: FJ Canada
Too bad.
Regards,
Tom
That's what 4Runner is for. Since FJ's wheelbase is 11 inches shorter than 4Runner, Toyota had to reduce internal length somewhere
Regards,
Tom
I have another pricing question. Does anyone have an idea on the "Invoice" pricing for the FJ and the packages?
Thanks!
Plus I plan to head back to school so FJ may not be as wise of a purchase.
4702.......4x2 AT.......$19,756.....$21,710.
4703.......4x4 MT......$20,827......$22,890.
4704.......4x4 AT.......$21,203.....$23,300.
For the 4704 model:
Invoice MSRP
UP..........................$2,024.......$2,560. Upgrade Pkg #1
UR..........................$2,069.......$2,620. Upgrade Pkg #2
CQ..........................$1,472.......$1,840. Convenience Pkg
AL...........................$520.........$650. 17" Alum Wheel w/spare
DL...........................$272.........$340. Rear Dif Locks
GY...........................$559.........$650 Driver & Front Airbag incld 1&2 row side curtain
RB............................$276........$345. Running Boards
...............................$605........$605. Destination Charge
For the 4703:
Code..........................Invoice.......MSRP
UP............................$1,696.......$2,150.
UR............................$1,741.......$2,210.
CQ............................$1,472.......$1,840.
DL................Not listed
AL.............................$520..........$650.
GY.............................$559..........$650
RB.............................$276.........$345.
................................$605.........$605. Destination Charge
For the 4702:
Code.........................Invoice........MSRP
UP............................$1,888.......$2,390.
UR............................$1,933.......$2,450.
CQ............................$1,472.......$1,840.
AL............................$520..........$650.
DL............................$272..........$340.
GY............................$559..........$650
RB............................$276..........$345.
...............................$605..........$605. Destination Charge
Get one upgrade package, a 4x4 MT stickers right around $25K. Sheesh, if you look at the new RAV, FJ seems like a really good deal. For the little AWD car (RAV), it costs $23K and change to get a 4x4 (auto only), which wouldn't have ANY of the hardware you will get on the FJ 4x4. Not to mention the RAV at that price would be the 4-cyl, while the FJ would be the V-6.
It looks to me like FJ will come in at least $1000 cheaper than XTerra (and $3K less than Rubicon) when comparably equipped.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
nippononly - I believe DL is standard on 4x4 MT.
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.Not to mention a RAV at ANY price is a car, (it's based on the Camry fer goshsakes) so any fair comparison of the two is essentially pointless. But I agree by comparison the FJ is a deal. Except for daily commute gas mileage...
And at 25k the FJ stickers at 10k less than a Rubicon!
So that made up my mind for me. I'm going TJing. Probably... :shades:
The 2007 Wranglers, though, especially the extended wheelbase model, is amazing - much better interior and engine. Decent on-road manners, too, from what I hear.
is a mt still the way to go or would an at serve me better?and please don't recommend the at just so can get a better chance to get my mt!!
also,any recs on good forums for new england off roading?thanks in advance
Now I am very surprised to hear of a more-than-40-foot turning radius. That certainly is extreme for a vehicle targeted at the trails and the rocks. I wonder how accurate that is though? I mean, how could it have a larger turning radius than the 4Runner with an 11-inch-longer wheelbase? That just seems physically impossible.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Either transmission will do the job 100%.
If you prefer manual transmissions and have used them off road (which is different entirely than using a MT on road) in the past, then you might prefer a MT. If you are manual trans novice, you might wanna stick with the AT.
Also, Autos are indeed great for sand. It's the only time I would like one, personally. (Well, driving in the city is nicer with an Auto too. I must be getting old...)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I'll start by saying that I've loved all my Toyotas, and I currently drive a 99 Tacoma TRD. My off-roading is done in the mountains of Colorado.
I hate the turning radius of my Tacoma. It feels like a freakin' school-bus.
Glancing through this fourm, I'm really surprised at the number of people who think that the FJ is in the same league as the Rubicon. Sorry, for the off-roading that I do, it won't come close. If you take the driver's ability out of the equation, the Rubicon is going to be a more capable vehicle. Look at clearances, departure/approach angles, turning radius, gearing and the Rubicon will come out on top. And the suspension on the Jeep is easy to modify, if you're really serious about crawling.
With that said, Toyota quality far exceeds what Jeep puts out there. I just wished the FJ was more of a contender.
If I just did a quick calculation, and adding Upgrade Package #2, convenience package, airbags, running boards to a 4x4 auto, the MSRP is around $28,755. I would also want the other accessories including the wind deflector with offroad lights, aux driving lights, and ARMREST?! So I'm assuming this will push the MSRP well over 30k.
I've been pretty much set on getting the new Rav v6 Limited fully loaded with dual climate, leather, heated seats, optitron gauges, etc. etc. Although pricing for the 6 banger hasn't been revealed yet, it would put it around 31k I assume. Why I like the Rav is because of its fast acceleration, regular fuel, and better mpg. UNFORTUNATELY, I wish it had the unique styling like the FJ has.
So now I'm faced with whether I want to give up practicality and features for an awesome style... And for the folks who have seen the FJ in person, here's a yuppie question: Does it have an AUX input for the stereo? (Gotta be able to connect the Ipod directly. The wireless FM transmitters never work).
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Looking through the threads, a lot of folks are buying for looks, and not really for what it should be intended for. Not to discount the FJ, because I can't wait to get my hands on it, but I have a few thoughts myself. It may not be the perfect product, but hey it was an offshoot for toyota anyways. How many serious rock crawling capabilities can you have on an island, and when you don't have a real japanese word for "truck" either?
I can't wait to get ahold of an FJ, it promises more capabilites than my 4runner proved roaming around in the interior of Alaska. Also, I'm not worried about plastic bumpers or rear visibility, since Iam planning to mod and customize it to what I think I want anyways. Good baseline for a start.
Besides...you're not playing hard enough if you don't break something in the process! :shades:
I've never owned a wrangler, but had spent a lot of time in New Mexico where folks have nothing to do but climb over rocks and trails. Got to be something to the jeep setup, otherwise it wouldn't be a top choice of many...
My current vehicle is a 1998 Land Rover Discovery. I drive mostly on the road but occasionally down rocky trails and out to the desert camping; sometimes on trails and beaches in Baja. I don't like getting stuck. The Disco has been awesome, but it's got 180,000 miles and is leaking oil, and the leather seats aren't very comfortable for long trips, you tend to slip off. I also own a Pinzgauer and a Haflinger, as well as a Vanagon camper, tho I'll probably sell the camper.
My main concerns with the FJ are the visibility - if you're a passenger in the back seat, does it feel like you're in a cave? - storage - I carry lots of crap around with me, have appreciated all the little cubby holes and spaces in the Rover, especially the center console, not sure if the FJ even has one. And of course, comfort - how will it be to sit in for hours on the freeway waiting to get out to the desert? I know I can't sleep in it, which is disappointing; and I would rather have a tailgate, tho the tire on the back is nice for use as a bike rack. Apparently you can't order dealer accessories yet but I'll probably throw on a bunch of those. I know I need a tow hitch and I hope it'll be able to tow the Pinzgauer, which I've done with the Rover. I also wish it came in green; I know you can paint new vehicles but that seems like such a waste!
The other vehicles I considered were the Xterra - for such a big vehicle, it feels really small inside! The Freelander SE3 - cute, small, a bit difficult to get in and out of but I like the the removable top and sunroofs, don't like the lack of 4low and the way the muffler hangs down (if I pass on the FJ I'll probably get one of these tho). Didn't even consider a Jeep - I think they're overpriced and very cheaply constructed. Wish they still sold Defenders but they were especially overpriced when used. Also considered dropping just driving the Pinzgauer, which isn't comfortable at all and won't fit in most parking garages.
In any case, I'm in line to test drive the fj, and looking forward to it.
I should know; I've owned several 88"s and several 109s. If I could get a 110 3-door or pickup I'd be all over that. I've even thought of getting a D90 and swapping out parts to turn it into that.
But practically speaking, I have to drive from LA to San Diego about twice a month, on the freeway. I want a truck that has everything, even if it isn't perfect at anything.
BTW I also considered the Touareg. Too much leather and carpet. If they made a utility version, I'd be much more tempted.
In some fantasy I'd like to own a used truck lot, exclusively for 4x4 (and in the case of the Pinz, 6x6) expedition vehicles. Maybe sell BMW enduro bikes as well. Work my way up to amphibious and STOL aircraft. But that way I could have all the vehicles I want, and use them whenever I needed. Maybe rent 'em out as well.
We'll see. I'm still considering the FJ a "reserved test drive".
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
For me, I think the 4Runner is a better proposition. Same drive train, excellent ability in moderate off-road terrain, and true enjoy-the-ride-anywhere. Take all your stuff too.
The FJ may be a little better than the 4Runner in the really fun stuff, but then I already have a Wrangler Rubicon for that. I just need both.
Me? I want a Volvo 303. 16 inches of clearance should be enough. Lol.
My pictures are at
http://www.obtainium.org/gallery/Vehicles
in case you're interested.
The most recent Motor Trend lists the length of the FJ at approximately 183.7 inches.
Past articles have listed the length as 177.6 inches.
I have also seen conflicting numbers regarding gas milage?
Does anyone have the unshakeable facts regarding length and gas mileage?
Toyota lists length as 183.9 inches.
Ah, no problem. That'll just give me until late this year or early '07 to save up a few more pennies so we won't have to take out a loan for one. I hate having car payments anyway!
I'm not so sure that it might be a little too spartan for our taste. We'll have to drive one and find out. She also likes the newer body style 4 Runner, so a used one might be a better choice for her. And there's always the possiblity of getting her a used '99 or '00 Toyota Land Cruiser...they're really nice, and they would be in the high teens/low 20's range we're looking at.
I'm one of those buyers that is really never in a hurry. Since we pay anywhere from 75% to 100% cash, and we take our time, buying a car is actually fun for us.
http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/
..which seems to have more frequent traffic. If you're still checking this board, you'd probably be welcome there!