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Anyway, to me, all SUV's look really the same. I like looks of the landrover but ain't gonna buck up for that. This FJ Cruiser is the only other one that to me seems big enough for my needs and looks different--cool even. But it'd be to please me, not the neighbors. I'm 43 and got over that stuff in my 30's or thereabouts. And I like the price. I guess im the targeted guy for the FJ? I may just run the 4runner til it dies, but am considering something new.
My question is am I nuts--is this a girlie-man mobile? My daughter is 1yr old --side airbags a bad idea? Thoughts? Its roomie vs a Rubicon, right?
For those of you that aren't aware there is a huge tariff imposed on trucks that are imported here. That why Toyota builds all the trucks it sells here and now in Mexico
However there is a Free Trade Agreement ready for signing on the desks in Washington and in Thailand that when signed will cancel the 'chicken tax' on trucks from Thailand ( 2nd largest truck producer in the world ).
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031020-27.html
That is good and bad news. If they cannot bring in the small diesel trucks because of ignorant EPA/CARB regulations, who would want them? I have not found a small gas PU or SUV that gets enough gain in MPG to down size from a full size GM or Ford PU.
Ford has not released the new Ranger here but has done so in Thailand. Talk is the Ranger plant here is dead. Just awaiting the inevitible ( ULSD ).
I think all the majors have a pretty solid idea (know?) what the next 5 yrs look like and their plans are in place already to take advantage of the changes.
FJ Consumers, rejoice because we will be at invoice in a few weeks... that is if you still want one...
Steve, Host
If you are sensitive to seeing a vehicle criticized this is not a good place for you. Every car I have been interested in has negative comments on this forum. Toyota brought it on themselves. They threw big expensive ads in the off road magazines. They challenged the competition. Now it is time to pay the piper. If the FJ holds its own in the off road arena it will be praised. If it is not up to the competition it will get lots more bad press and comments. If you are happy with yours that should be all that matters. If you want to prove its prowess off road, get involved in one of the meets in your area.
And yes, I was excited when I heard that Toyota was bringing out the FJ Cruiser. Excited till I got a look at it. Just not what I had hoped for.
I have to agree with ron41. Why would someone that detests a vehicle and has absolutely no intention of buying one make multiple posts bad mouthing it. Sure some criticism is both valid and informative, but very little here is. In what way is an FJ a "Fake Jeep"? I have posted what I dont like about the FJ. I have not joined an Xterra or Jeep forum to say what I dont like about them, why bother. Wranglers are fine as long as you dont mind lethargic street performance, a jolting harsh ride and poor reliability.
As for proving the FJs off-road ability, its already been done. Check out the posts in "FJ cruiser-ih8mud".
They are listed for around $1,000 off MSRP.
My neighbor down the block has the Black Cherry Pearl one back in his driveway again. He put his MINI on the market for a couple of days and then put it back in his garage. The FJ still doesn't have any sort of temporary or permanent (or dealer) plates on it, so I don't know if he bought it but I suspect he did.
I don't know him well enough to ask for a test sit. :sick:
Steve, Host
There are 2 FJ's (blue & yellow) that have been on my local dealship's (Mike Erdman Toyota) lot in Merritt Island, FL for a few weeks. They are both at MSRP.
i visited 2 local dealers today, both had fj's on the lot and willing to deal at sticker.
They drove the FJC some places I don't have the nads to drive anymore. Thanks for the link. You need one of those fancy after market front bumpers. That would help a lot.
This one is very functional looking
Also, test drove a 2006 4Runner 4WD Sport Edition w/sunroof, X-REAS & upgraded JBL Synthesis stereo w/MSRP of $37,157.00, and was quoted $31,150.00. Whadda ya think?
Pull off the original while it is perfect. Set it aside and it should be saleable in the near future. As soon as someone bangs theirs up you can sell it. Maybe even to your dealers body shop. I think the black one is more me.
Steve, Host
News flash: he paid $2k under sticker. It is a 6MT and it spend 1 month on the lot! We will be at around invoice in a matter of (a couple) months...
Any recommendations on brand, price, etc?
Thanks
Oliver
The best I can find in Atlanta is MSRP some are at $2.5K over MSRP.
What gives?? Who is discounting from MSRP? I am willing to travel east of the Missippi to save a couple thousand
Here's the help faq about it.
Steve, Host
Because it is a little bigger than the last generation? I don't think DAC, 4lo, ATrac and 9.2 inches of clearance as mommified. You can't even get a backseat DVD player in most 4Runners found on dealers lots. The only mechanical difference between the FJ and 4Runner is .5 inches of clearance and a little better departure angle.