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This month '05 4Runners start at under $26k and V8 models are selling for upto 7k off MSRP. Given this contrast, who would buy an FJ for the same price?
Silver model has a slot for the third wiper its just not there.
I need to replace my 85 runner with this FJ but don't no if I can stomach full MSRP.
Not to mention my father inlaw works for FORD and will not talk to me if I get another Toyota, oh well.
There are only 2 wipers on the silver FJ and the spot for the 3rd is an air intake.
What is that compartment you see the hand opening above the stearing wheel in pictures 24-25 of the blue one?
I think if you look past the black air intake on the silver one you will see the same triangular cut out for the third wiper.
When I have asked the manager of the dealership about ordering they were evasive and said they could find what we wanted at the port or throughout the region.
I know that BMW is happy to place an order for a new car.
Does anyone have any experience ordering a vehicle from Toyota?
I am told this is because of their production process. And interuptions or deviations in the line to make a special order would in theory cause a drop in quality.
Hawman, I suggest you do a bit of surfing before you jump to conclusions. '05 V8 4Runners have been selling for close to $5-6k off for weeks now. BTW: those models currently carry a $3k rebate but it is also clear that there exist additional (year end) incentives. Simply surf over to one of the no-haggle dealerships or even try out carsdirect (in a CA zip) and you will quickly get a pretty good idea of the current market pricing. In fact, carsdirect pricing is typically ok but not great.
'05 Tacos do not have rebates but carmax currently lists them at $250 below invoice. The auto industry is having a tough time moving vehicles that do less than 20mpg with price of gas around $3/gal and the FJ is likely to suffer the same fate within month of its debut!
BTW the reason for the larger rebate is the slight change in body style the 06 4runner is getting. They are simply trying to offer incentive enough to people who notice the cosmetic differences. (which are many) believe me, I know how to negotiate a car deal and I also know toyota it's all I will own, so I have learned to recognize when they hold the cards...on the FJ the hand is theirs.
OK photos are now up but I don't want to take up a whole bunch of space here so just visit my site "vehicleshoot" and click on the FJ Cruiser link at the bottom of the main page on the right.
For all the other photos from the show you can join my Yahoo Group and I will have them up in there tomorrow. Yahoo Group link is alson on the main page of my site.
To bad they didn't allow hands on!
Thanks agian!
The Marketing of the FJ will be like that of the Scions 3 yrs ago as evidenced by the O/R show just visited above. Word of Mouth - no advertising at all - suddenly the FJ's will show up a few at a time.
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This is a low end low margin vehicle. There is nothing expensive in it. Most will never go off-road, but adorn many suburban houses. Like mine. Eventually, after the plastic has cracked, the color makes you sick and the thrill of hosing out the inside to clean has worn off, they will get into the hands of young adults for cheap offroad fun.
FJ was a grand idea that dates back to the days when SUVs with real offroad capabilities were the norm and the crossovers where just hitting their stride. Nissan got it right when it released the Xterra 5 years ago, but Toyota missed the boat with this segment (interestingly, they nailed the crossover segment with their HL).
Today's landscape is significantly diffirent! Look at all the dooms day predictions that are current floating around about the GM's Tahoe and Suburban? Did know that GM is predicting 20 mpg (city) for these models? Same dooms day predictions could really apply to FJ and even the current 4Runners and larger SUVs. Frankly, if GM can get their full size SUVs to achieve 20 mpg-city, it is unlikely that Toyota's current engines in the 4Runner or FJ or the Nissan SUVs will get much traction in the market place.
The SUV market segment has topped and the non-crossover sub-segment has already started to shrink. Obviously, that segment is still way too overcrowded and it is only getting more crowded: more models, more competion, less demand all lead to the same conclusion! Prices will have to moderate! As it is the MSRP pricing on many SUV has continued to climb but the street prices have actually come down; the slide is already on the way.... Why and how is this possible? First and foremost, SUV have overly high markups and are one of the most profitable sectors for the automakers. That has remained so because the market was expanding but over the last few months and even years, the consumer preferences have started to shift.... you get the idea....
I have said this before: FJ will get a couple of months of overpricing but it will slip right below 4Runner very quickly. Does everyone remember the '03 4Runner release? In the first month, some paid over MSRP but it quickly came down to invoice and was selling well under that by that summer. If FJ pricing does not fall far enough, many of us (like myself) will simply get yet another 4Runner because it is much easier for me to sell the 4Runner to my family. If the price is the same FJ will always come a very distant second.
My $0.02!
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1. Voodoo Blue
2. Atomic Yellow
3.Titanium
4. Cherry Pearl
5. Black Metallic
The yellow would be a very fun color but a little to subtle for me so I would probably go with the safe titanium. The color contrast with the roof would be nicer with the other colors though. Silver would provide a more monochromatic look.
What is your best guess for gas milage? Given the fact that the FJ is about 11 inches shorter than the 4runner I am hoping that the weight savings will translate into gas savings.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
At the Off-Road Expo my girl spotted this very versitile pop-up tent triler Link We were diggin' it and thought it would go great behind an FJ. But then we realised paying $5K for a tent would be kinda stupid so then I priced out some small 18' trilers in our area and found one from 99 for $4,500. Now we would have a dumper and shower wich we really miss on our camping trips with our friends who all have toy haulers. But I don't know if that V6 in the FJ is going to hack it on the hills out of Borego back to San Diego. So I think I might be jumping ship to the TRD Taco crew....
The only downside to the taco that I can see is that our luggage won't be enclosed. But there are a number of upsides. We could carry some little 70's in the bed of the truck, it has a V8, I will get better pricing deals on a taco, and last an most important, it is already a proven vehicle.
So what do you guys think about an FJ towing an 18' trailer :confuse:
The TJ would never be able to pull a 18' trailer, but that light wieght 6x8 trailer you linked it will pull that all day long.
Doesn't the Taco and the FJ have the exact same V6? You can't get a V8 in the Tacoma; are you thinking of the Tundra?
Anyway, the black vehicle really sounds neat. Since black shows scratches and dirt easily, I am not sure how appropriate it would be for off-road driving.
Thanks.
VSC/TRAC is going to be standard but expect that to cancel when 4WD is activated.
As for the center arm rest where are you guys seeing that? :confuse:
2. Voodoo Blue
3. Cherry Pearl
4. Black Metallic
5. Titanium
This information is from Toyota from a friend of mine that works at a dealer.
Toyota really shot themselves in the foot by not offering more color choices, IMO.
I still love the vehicle overall, however, and probably choose Titanium or Cherry Pearl (as long as it's not BRIGHT red). I still wish for a nice dark green, though...