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Not sure of that.
I have had this truck for 700 miles and I am really begining to see what people enjoy about trucks. I will simply list the one thing that I DO NOT like about this truck. Everything else is excellent
The stock shocks are WAY too soft. Toyota made it that way since marketing shows that 2/3 of truck drivers use them for their daily commute and they want comfort. I like my truck stiffer than the Tundra can offer. I could not find the TRD option with the LSD option in one package. So I got the regular shocks and then I bought the even stiffer than TRD OEM shocks HD Bilstein shocks. These are 30% stiffer than even the TRD OEM shocks. The cost was $130 more than the TRD package. And I do have the fog lights and the alloy wheels and better tires that come with the TRD package.
I love the way the truck handles now. It is simply awesome. It is stable and does not wallow on dips like before. Steering input has also improved. The truck is more composed and you feel in control. I just love it.
Aside from the shocks, this truck is perfect. It is the right size for me and fits in spots that Fords and Chevys will not. It is much easier to drive in Urban areas than other bigger trucks.
As far as gas mileage, I got 17-18 mpg in the first tank that I used. And the truck is not even broken in yet :-)
My neighbor's Ford Bronco 4x4 has the same clunk sound that my LC had and he just greases the drive shaft.
It appears that the clunk sound is related to 4X4.
The other clunking sounds describe here involve the slip yoke on the driveshaft. These occur after you come to a rather abrupt stop as the back of the truck settles down and compresses the driveshaft slip yoke. It kinda feels like someone tapped your rear bumper. The 4x4 Tundra uses an exteranlly greaseable slip yoke near the rear differential (the 4x2 models have the slip yoke in the tailshaft of the transmission). It takes quite a bit of grease to get from the zerk fitting to the splines where the friction is occuring. I fixed mine by pumping the slip yoke full of grease (it takes about 20-40 pumps), then bouncing the rear bumper a little to force more grease into the splines, then removing the zerk fitting and allowing some excess grease to come out, then put the zerk fitting back in. No more clunks in 20,000+ miles.
Alan
One is the dealer holdback of $526 as a built in profit on the invoice of each unit - which I thought that the Factory gave to the dealer, it seems as if they are adding it into the price of this vehicle. To me, it appears as if the dealer is getting this amt. twice, once from the factory and the 2nd time from me. This doesn't seem fair. Shouldn't I be able to tell them to take it off of the price they have down, or am I missing something.
The 2nd questionable item is called Whsl. Financial Reserve - $263 (1/2 - the amount of the holdback). It is being added into the dealer price. What is this and can I negotiate a way of not having to pay it?
I have dealers in my area offering me a new Tundra at $0 - $200 above invoice plus Toyota's financing or an added $500 off if I do a straight cash deal.
Thanks in advance for any info on the 1st 2 items. Does $0 - $200 above invoice sound like a good deal on a Tundra?
Tony (aka - Controlgod)
Don't read too much into the name, I just work as a supervisor in a Control Room (Command Center).
kbb/edmunds invoice = dealer cost + option cost + destination charge + holdback + Wholesale Financial Reserve.
Since it is factored in, I do not see how you are going to get out of paying it. You have a better chance negotiating the TDA (advertising fee) out of the deal.
I paid $257 over the KBB invoice for my truck. That is 1% over invoice and I got a 4x2 SR5 with VP, LD, CF, LF, DH, DZ, CC, AL.
I think you are getting an excellent deal. I chose to take the 4.9% Toyota financing for 60 months. I know that I will pay off the truck way before then and that will save me even more on interest.
Good luck.
PS: You will love the Tundra, except for the soft stock shocks. But I replaced mine with HD Bilestin shocks. They are even firmer/better than the OEM TRD package.
Chris
The build date is supposed to be 12-10-01 (next Monday - I know what they used to say about Mondays & hope that it doesn't apply as much to Toyota) it should be at the dealer around Xmas - New Years. If Xmas, I may have to buy a bigger tree to put my truck under...lol.
Wish me luck and I'll update people down the road. I should have it broken in by my first planned road trip in mid March. I'll be taking it up to the North Shore of Lake Superior and probably try out a few of the logging trails in the Boundary Waters or Superior Natl. Park area. Boy I just can't wait.
The info that I've gleaned from here and other sources online has been very helpful. Thanks for the help and encouragement, especially Steve and Dianne.
Wish me luck, ~
Tony
And what is option RC? It in not listed on KBB.
Steve, do you have any idea how long it takes for a vehicle to be shipped and travel time (roughly) once it's built?
Go luck on this one now, good luck on that one then, Merry Christmas, Happy Halloween, Have a nice day... whatever...
Long live the king!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe you should come down to Mexico for some English lessons...
You're in here trying to convince loyal Toyota owners that their vehicles are bad, but there must be a few brain cells left in your head, so please, please come to your senses and understand no one is going to trade their Tundra in on a Silverado (or their Tacomas for S10s). It just isn't gonna happen... You know it and we know it...
Now go along and go talk with the boys from your own "club" and let the men talk business....
Will this ever happen? NOT...
Look for a quad cab and around 300 hp from the new Tundra. I do not know about the 5 speed
Why would Chev only offer a 5 speed on the 4.8L? Could it be that Chev knows that their 5 speed is just a little WEAK?
Thanks,
Tony
Got rid of my Ford Ranger in DC for a sedan, and now want a full-size truck. I'm moving to Omaha and buying a house, and I just need a truck. Will eventually tow a boat. I tested '02 Tundra and '02 Silverado, but not F-150 yet.
Based on the '99 Sienna I own, Toyota has the edge on quality, and the Tundra's smooth powerplant was a joy, even if hp/torque not up to Ford/GM.
Are there any Ford/GM/Dodge converts out there who love their Tundras? I see their downsides being smallish x-tra cab and lack of features. How would you rate its overall utility (ride comfort, kids in back, hauling, off-road manners, reliability, etc.)? Thanks for your input!
http://www.highwaysafety.org/news_releases/2001/pr060401.htm
As far as towing with the Tundra: A Truck Trend magazine article from this past summer rated the Tundra excellent for towing. The test was a Tundra and a Silverado pulling a good-size boat/trailer which weighed around 5000lbs (if I remember correctly). Both trucks performed great and the magazine the magazine gave the Tundra a thumbs up due to it's smooth ride and handling. They felt the Tundra was just about at it's comfortable suspension limits but said the Chevy could handle more if necesary. So both trucks have their strong and weak points. Either truck would be great for pulling a boat in that size range.
How about lack of options on the Toyo? Chevy has things like lumbar, pwr/heated seats, heated mirrors, auto 4WD, rear air vents, air temp display, etc. that Tundra doesn't offer...I know, I know - how did we ever survive the 70's w/o any of these things, but we're used to the gizmos these days!
I am now a stedfast Tundra convert. The Tundra IS a little bit smaller than the big 3, but that's one of it's best qualities IMHO. I don't have to scout out parking spaces at Home Depot anymore... my "Toy" will fit into almost any spot. And it fits in my garage! Of course I'm still waiting for it to start falling apart like my last F-150 did...
Since the overwhelming majority of us live in urban/suburban areas, then the Tundra makes perfect sense. Since 2/3 of those who drive trucks drive them to commute and on occasion aul stuf from Home Depot or tow less than 7000 lbs, then the Tundra make perfect sense.
Yes it is smaller than the big three. The only real problem is the rear seat. But I am a single man and I hardly use it.
Toyota did the right thing by making this turck ride and drive like a car and making it smaller. That is why the Tundra is meeting its 100K annual sales target.
Now that the Tundra has established a foothold in the truck market, the next step is to widen the Tundra models. The most needed is a quad cab and maybe a bigger engine.
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2002/january/200201_shorttake_gmcdenali.xml?&page=1
My Tundra has been flawless for the 2 years I have owned it. It has been the best quality and most reliable vehicle I have ever owned.
I will update the board after I get it in the shop. This board helped me get the brake/vibration taken care of so I owe a follow up to the rest of you.
Regards,
Jeff...
If you buy a GM Denial - You are shipping jobs out of the US!
Personally, I do not give a sh*t where my truck is built as long as it has quality and reliability engineered in it. If Afghanistan made a reliable quality truck, then I will buy it.