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You said you were looking at the '07 Camry for a March purchase. That is why I said there would be at least a $5-6k difference. The dust will not have settled by then. Over time, the difference will narrow but I still think it will be substantial. For example, from the Sonata Prices Paid discussion I know that several people have bought a Sonata LX (that is with V6 and leather) for under $18k + T&L. What would a comparably-equipped '06 Camry go for? The closest trim is the XLE V6. Invoice on that car is $25,704. Subtract the $500 rebate and it's just over $25k, assuming you can get one for invoice before rebates. That is $7000 more than the comparably-equipped Sonata. You could add the CD changer and moonroof to the Sonata for about $1200 more. So that is in the $5-6k range I noted. Do you think the '07 Camry will cost a lot less than the '06? I suppose it's possible that with more standard features, the price with those features will go down. But I think it will be some time before you will see rebates on '07 Camries or be able to buy them for invoice less rebates.
P.S. On the 4-cylinder fully equipped '06 Camry LE, the invoice price is $20,452, so with the current $500 rebate it would be nearly $20k. That is with VSC and side bags. The comparable Sonata GL has an invoice of $17,957 and $1500 in general rebates ($1000 more for Hyundai owners). So the difference there is $3500-4500, although I have seen reports of Sonata GLs for under $15k + T&L.
backy, "Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion" #2202, 21 Jan 2006 4:51 pm
I look forward to driving the Accent when my dealer gets some more in stock, and in taking a closer look at it at upcoming auto shows. But I can't justify buying one until the rebates kick in and the crash test results are published.
http://www.chicagoautoshow.com/vehicles/detail.asp?make_id=26
One thing I noted is that the 3-door will have a power sunroof option.
Looks good!!!
I also noticed that A/C will be standard on the '07 GLS, and alloys will be available as a separate option--so you can get the power accessories and ABS w/o getting alloys. That is a good change I think; I don't need alloys. But I do want ABS.
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Question: how do I edit/delete the post...I'm still very new at this. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Great forum, by the way!!
They expect to sell sell 100,000 Accent/Rio hybrids for the first year. I will be the first to buy one at that price! Most hybrids cars require 150,000 miles of driving to offset high cost. Such an offering, if they do get this out at this price, will IMO put Hyundai at the forefront by offering affordable hybrids.
I am especially perplexed since the new Fit will have all the requisite safety features baked in.
FWIW, was in a Yaris sedan at the Philly auto show, and its really a whole new world from the ECHO- and some serious competition for the Accent. The interior was sharp even though I dont care for the center instrumentation- its larger now, more legible and the tach looks good. I was surprised at the space as well.
~alpha
If they start at $19,995, and are not heavily discounted, they will not sell well IMO. Think about it... when you can get an Accent, Rio, Fit, or Yaris that get about 35 mpg, and you can get about 45 mpg in the Accent hybrid (based on reports when the car was unveiled to the press in China several weeks ago), why spend $7-9000 more for the Accent hybrid? It would take many, many years to make up the price difference through fuel savings. And $20k is only a couple of thousand away from the Civic and Prius hybrids, which are proven hybrid designs (and in the case of the Prius, larger and more versatile). Additionally, with the Accent hybrid you will probably lose trunk space and also the fold-down rear seat, due to the battery pack. I think the price of the Accent hybrid will need to be closer to $16-17k to get much buyer interest.
Hyundai competing in the small car and hybrid market are great moves and their vehicles will move off the lot, provided Hyundai contninue to build quality car on top of that, which is something they have strived for and done.
With all that said, of course, many people buy hybrids for reasons other than better mileage but let's save that for another part of discussion. For my own preference, bring on diesel!!!
If you get into an accident and they have to get the "Jaws of Life" to pry you loose, that can be the most dangerous part of the accident. The wiring in the hybrid cars are not set up like normal cars. If they pry through a wire, it can cause an explosion... putting you and the firefighters at risk.
Also, the battery...... I read once you replace the electrical part of that.... it can cost up to $3000!
I'd rather just get a normal car with good gas mileage.
The 3dr Accent should be in showroom very soon, very competitively priced at $10K
It looks really good and I look forward to driving one shortly. Lots of accesories for personalization and tuning.
As for the GS 3-door, it will start at $11k according to Hyundai's press releases. I don't recall if that is with or w/o destination charge. That car will not have A/C standad, and no power package or ABS even available as an option. But for someone who wants a new car warranty and doesn't need all the convenience and safety features, it is about as cheap as you can get. I am more interested in the SE, which is well-equipped. I hope it is priced attractively.
Accent GLS trim does offer ABS - ABS come standard with EBD; also six airbags which I don't think anyone else offers in the segment, at least by having it standard. As for interior space, the Accent has the most in the segment (interior and cargo, per Hyundai).
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/accent/trim/gls.aspx
I think you are confusing CVVT, which is Continuous Variable Valve Timing, with a Continously Variable Transmission. Two totally different things. The Versa doesn't have CVVT, but I lived many years w/o CVVT and survived pretty well. If the Versa can deliver more power and better fuel economy than the Accent w/o using CVVT, more power to it (uh, literally I guess).
The '06 Accent GLS does have ABS standard. I was talking about the '07, which according to Hyundai has dropped ABS off the standards list except on the 3-door SE model. Both the Rio and soon the Fit offer 6 airbags standard.
The Accent may have the most interior room in its class for now (well, probably tied with the Rio), but let's see what happens when the Fit and Versa debut. The promos for the Versa state it will fit five full-sized adults comfortably. You sure can't say that about the Accent. I have found that much of the Accent's interior room is vertical. That is great for headroom, but what is interesting is that the Civic, for example, with less cubic feet of interior space than the Accent, actually has much more rear seat leg room. So the cubic feet measurement doesn't tell the whole story.
Also hatchback competitors like the Fit and Versa are much more versatile than the Accent GLS. That is one reason I am looking forward to driving the Accent SE--it has a hatchback, and it should handle a lot better than the GLS with its sport suspension and bigger wheels. And it has all the goodies standard.
As for interior space, you are correct. I just checked the specs, Accent is larger than Fit in most dimensions and does lead in some versus the Versa, but Versa is bigger overall.
Link for each:
Accent: http://www.hyundainews.com/presskit2006/06Accent_Specs.html
Fit: http://hondanews.com/CatID2150?mid=2006010735878&mime=asc
Versa: http://www.nissannews.com/nissan/2007vehicles/versa/specs.shtml
Fuel economy for three should also be fairly close. Keep in mind the 38mpg (combined) as stated for the Versa is with CVT transmission, which demands premium pricing. The base version should be a bit lower. 35mpg (combined) is stated for Accent, about the same for the Fit.
I agree mostly with your post, though. I am too, very much interested in taking a look at Accent SE
Great to hear lots of new entries are coming in the spring. The competiton is soon going to be fierce, and for the first time in a long time, in the entry class level. Great
ACCENT GLS - THE COMPLETE PACKAGE
The well-equipped 2007 Accent four-door comes in a single GLS trim level with either a five-speed manual or a four-speed automatic transmission with overdrive. GLS trim includes a wide range of features, including several items that are either optional or unavailable on competitive vehicles in the segment, including a powerful 1.6-liter CVVT engine, 172-watt six-speaker AM/FM/CD audio system with equalizer, air conditioning, power steering, tilt steering wheel and driver and passenger illuminated vanity mirrors. There are a total of six airbags, including dual front airbags, front seat-mounted side-impact airbags and roof-mounted side-curtain airbags. Carpeted floor mats are optional. The Premium Package includes ABS, power windows with illuminated switches, driver's window auto-down feature, power door locks, remote keyless entry with alarm and panic alert and heated power-adjustable exterior mirrors. The Premium Sport Package adds all the equipment in the premium package plus 15-inch alloy wheels with 195/55VR15 tires.
http://www.hyundainews.com/presskit2007/3-Door06Accent_PressRelease.html
Looking at this again, it appears that Hyundai has made A/C standard (yay!) but dropped ABS as a standard feature on the GLS for '07. What is interesting about this is that the GLS is now much closer to the Rio LX in standard content--and I assume in price.
I doubt the Accent can get 35 mpg EPA overall, when its highest EPA highway rating is 36 for the (pricier) automatic transmission. It looks to me like 32-33 mpg is a more likely overall EPA average for the Accent, based on the EPA numbers. So it appears the Versa has the Accent beat on fuel economy, if Nissan's estimates hold up.
Also check out the Civic discussion here and you will see that there may be an issue in the way Honda optimized the design of the automatic tranny for maximum fuel economy, which is causing several owners to complain.
No mention is made of a sunroof option for the GLS in the aforementioned press release on the '07 Accent.
I am buying one of these cars being introduced to USA, I am in New Jersey, Yaris, Fit mostly, I doubt it would be the Versa, somehow it seems to me being on the luxury side and, this is not what I have in mind, besides it would be the last so far to come to this country and I need a car now, mostly a reliable transportation. And this is what brough me to write to you, backy, that looks to be very knowledgeable about cars.You said you want to try the Accent 2007 SE because it comes loaded with standard features, that I have read about it, but, what about the quality in this Korean cars compare to a Japanese. Would you buy the SE just because it is loaded?, besides I am sure you would have to pay good money for this. Please let me know. Thanks. :confuse:
I have already seen the '06 Accent GLS 4-door and have driven its cousin, the Rio. I was impressed by what I have seen so far (I like the interior of the Accent better). I have seen the '07 Accent SE but not driven it. It looks like a quality piece. I love the styling and the interior looks like it could be in a much more expensive car. But I also like what I have seen of the Fit and Versa. One major factor is price. I bought my two Elantras because they offered the most car for the money, e.g. $14k out the door for my loaded Elantra GT 5-door with automatic, moonroof, leather, alloys, ABS/traction control etc. About $5000 less than any comparable Japanese car. But I will not pay the same money for a Hyundai as I would for a comparable Honda or Toyota because their resale values are still stronger than for Hyundais. So I need a lower price to compensate for that. However, if it turns out that I like the Accent much more than the Fit or Versa, then I could pay as much because I would be getting a better car. I don't know that yet, as I haven't driven the Accent, Fit, or Versa yet.
Sorry for the long response. Hope it helps you.
My first choice was the Accent 2007 because of one thing
-front leg room 42.8 inches- I am 6'4" and I need as much room as I can get. But I noticed this people are not offering standard features as they used to and they are expensive for what they offer. I went to see in December the Accent 2006 sedan as soon as it arrived here in NJ, it is nice looking I admit but inside it made me feel I was in a car from the past, no power anything! room I had, but that was all. Mostly every normal thing "optional"
I have been waiting since September for all these small efficient cars since, I am retired, had a 2000 Rav4 that I had to get rid of after experincing 4 times what they call Sudden Surges or -Unwanted Acceletration- it was the Electronic Throttle, but they never admited it, eventhough others Toyota have been investigated for the same. Since you never win City Hall, I got rid of it in September, since I have been waiting for these small cars that are being presented like Debutants Girls in society, pityful!.
I almost got an Aveo 2006 the other day but I read some bad reviews and I changed my mind, back to waiting. I do not want ay other cars but the above mentioned. Suzuki is coming with the SX4 that I hear is great and sort of an SUV with a decent ground clearence,very good for my height but it would come in September and I can not wait any longer. Thanks again and sorry for this long explanation. :sick:
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Fit Manual $13,850
Fit Automatic $14,650
Fit Sport Manual $15,170
Fit Sport Automatic $15,970
*Add $550 destination charge
*No Rebates Currently Available
Sources: Auto deadline
Honda Fit Website
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Accent Manual (Base) $12,455
Accent Manual w/Air $13,255
Accent Manual w/Prem sport $13,955
Accent Automatic (Base) $13,305
Accent Automatic w/Air $14,105
Accent Automatic w/Prem Sport $14,805
*Add $540 destination charge
Price does not reflect $1,000 Rebate*
Source: Hyundai USA Website
SE trim looks even more attractive, and possibly sportiest of all other hatchbacks mentioned (Versa, Fit, Yaris) - sport-tuned, 16" wheels, light weight (lighest I believe, around 2,300 lbs).
As for packaging, I think the packaging on the Fit is smarter than the Accent's. The Fit's "magic seats" are amazing in their versatility. Rear legroom is about the same even though the Fit is shorter. Interior materials quality is about the same. The Accent has a few advantages, such as a more adjustable driver's seat (no height adjuster on the Fit) and niceties like rear center armrest and lighted vanity mirrors.
I'm puzzled by this comment. In this segment where profits are squeezed, a few hundreds dollars here and there adds up. Also considering that Hyundai now has a $1k rebate on Accent, positions the Accent as the value leader overall. If Honda intends to offer a matching rebate to counter Hyundai's Accent then the Honda Fit will definitely come out ahead in terms overall pricing/packaging.
There is no doubt that Accent wins the price/value contest based on the numbers.
As for value, that is not just measured by list prices. For example, what if Fits are snapped up off dealer lots at full MSRP as fast as they can be delivered while discounted/rebated Accents sit? What does that say about the public's perception of value?
I still don't understand your comment about the Accent being well ahead of the Fit in packaging.
However this last point should be obvious. Additionally, you mentioned that rebates are not the last word on value. So why do manufacturer's including Honda offer them? No one knows how the Fit will compete against the Accent. No one knows whether Honda will be able to maintain margins on the Fit.
Honda recently slowed production of their much ballyhooed Ridgeline. At last count it had 53 to 72 day supply on dealer lots. Honda To Cut Production Of Slow Selling Ridgeline
I thought by "packaging" you were referring to the packaging of the car itself, not how options are packaged. It is true that the Accent starts at a lower price and has more option packages available. But this is an advantage only for people who want the stripped models. I have yet to see a '06 Accent on the lot w/o A/C--and I'm in Minnesota! So making A/C optional may cut the advertised price of the car but not the real price. For people like me who want all the safety features (including ABS and side bags/curtains) and power windows & locks, the Fit's packaging is better. And it doesn't force me to get options I don't want (like alloys) by throwing them into one huge package rather than offering them separately. (I notice Hyundai is tweaking the packaging on the Accent for 2007 though.)
To my knowledge, Honda has not offered direct-to-consumer rebates in the past few years on any of its cars. I doubt they will need to resort to rebates for a car like the Fit that will be priced about the same as its Korean competitors and available in small numbers.
They are already such a nice price, the first Honda's since the tiny Hondacar of the late 70's that is reasonably priced, IMO. I will even take a short gander at them.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
The example regarding the Ridgeline was a comparative one. Note that when the Ridgeline was first introduced how much "media-citement" was stirred as well as consumer interest. This is a vehicle that was heavily promoted as well.
The Accent will do well within its segment due to its packaging/pricing and aggressive factory incentives. although I believe that the Fit is going to generate sales they are going to have discount to maintain numbers. Repeating: This is an extremely competitive segment and buyers are both price sensitive and value conscious. Looking at the overall strategy of Hyundai's Accent they have adjusted the dynamics of this car to meet the competition head-on.
One last, Honda does indeed resort to "rebates" they are known as reverse-rebates where they offer special finance deals and dealer incentives. However back on topic with the Accent.