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There are people like you, and others like my wife, who love the Mountaineer, but dislike the Explorer. Because of the differences, a broader market segment is satisfied.
Will
Some people are just addicted to the new car smell?
tidester, host
I was surprised to see on Ford's media web site that the fuel milage of the Edge will only be in the mid 20-MPG range on the highway. Ford shows 18-19 city and 24 highway and premium required for its Mazda CX-7 sibling. Even though I drive over 35,000 miles per year, a CX-7 would only save me about $300 per year over an Explorer Limited V8 (with regular at $2.40 and premium at $2,60). Even though the Edge will run on regular, and probably achieve a bit better mileage than the CX-7, it would probably only save me about $900 per year on fuel vs the Explorer Limited V8. For someone who drives more typical distances, the annual savings would be less than half those amounts.
The problem is the weight - according to Ford, an Edge with front wheel drive will weigh 4,086 pounds, while Edmunds shows that an Explorer Limited V8 with rear wheel drive weighs 4,531 pounds - just 445 pounds more!
The price of the Edge and other CUVs will be lower than that of the traditional SUVs, so if there are any significant savings to be had, it will only be there. However, the traditional SUV has more interior space, the option of a third row seat, and towing capabilities which the CUVs can't match.
Ford SUVs Get Top Safety Ratings From NHTSA (Inside Line)
Steve, Host
Don't let my wife see this post...if any of you publish it, I will deny it MOST vehemently...well, VERY vehemently...well, I will deny it...sort of...maybe...
Bob
Are we talking the same thing?
The only advantage I see in the Explorer 4WD is the hi/low range capability. I do off-roading, and can't imagine ever needing low range. The AWD does an excellent job of powering the proper wheels when in the nasty stuff. The Mountaineer AWD also has the ability for driver to select 4WD ... all 4 wheels receiving power, regardless.
By all means get the $150 class III trailer tow option. It's a terrific value.
I agree with you about the '06 explorer being overpriced, but it's not a lot different for 4Runners. You can find $Runners listed over 41k too. The local dealers are offering over 5K off sticker on them, so I wouldn't be too confident in the resale value, depending on what you paid.
One the great features of the '02-'05 explorers is their overall practicality. there are not too many if any other vehicles that can match it.
It has not been trouble free, the plastic panel on the rear hatch just cracked. i guess i got away with it so long because it was always parked in a garage overnight. i have started parking it outside if i was going to take it to work. That does not change how terrific it is overall.
No, I am not happy that I will have to pay to get it fixed.
i woould call ford and since it was a common problem see if they would fix it for free. you have nothing to lose.
I agree with the other post. I had this replaced twice under warranty on my '02.(Along with my transmission solenoid, power window motor.) Call Ford, they may spring for it.
What really bugged me was Ford not replacing the rear end that had a whine from 55 to 65 mph. I was told it just "wasn't that bad". Well, I voted with my pocket book and bought a Toyota.
Suave Tequila
Sir, the reality is that the price you received doesn't mean a thing if you didn't buy it. I would suggest spending some time over on the "dealer boards" here on edmunds. Giving you a "lowball price" so you will return to that particular dealer is one of the oldest tricks in the book......
The only other thing I hate about this station wagon: these CUSSED DOOR PULL HANDLES. Who the heck designed these ? It's as though they themselves never actually TRIED THEM OUT in the real world !! I have alread stoved a thumb, and sprained my wrist, trying to pull the door shut. Also, be prepared to DING UP OTHER people's doors !! These heavy doors will get away from you as you try to regrab the door after your hand hold slips off that dumb lower pull handle design. ALSO: Does anybody at FMC know how to design a 1) rear end and 2) power steering pump that doesn't WHINE itself to death (on a BRAND NEW VEHICLE) ?
I had the rear-end whine on my '02. They wouldn't fix it.
You know, this is one of the reasons Ford is in trouble. The cost cutting is beyond belief!
Except for an out-of-balance drive shaft replaced under warranty, it has been flawless ... except for the CUSSED DOOR PULL HANDLES. And it's one of the first 1,000 produced.
For those who disregard the vehicle based on appearance, drive it for an enlightening experience.
Yea, you can pay 32K and get black plastic matte door handles on the XLT. They used to be body colored. It my understanding there isn't even an "appearance package" upgrade for this.
Yea, go drive one. Even on the base 4Runner you get body-color door handles.
Body-color door handles are waaaay down my priority list. 292 HP 4.6L V8, 6-speed transmission, quiet interior are near the top.
I guess I'll have to adjust my O/S mirrors so I can admire my body-color handles while driving.
They are not body colored on the (mid-line) XLT Explorer. Check the brochure. And well see how popular the Explorer is or isn't this next year. Ford will never see the sells numbers of the past.
Ford Explorer down 22%
From another automotive website.
I'm sincerely curious. Why do you participate on this forum?
Free speech...(more or less).
tidester, host
Positives - It's a nice riding SUV. Lots of interior room for a midsize.
You want some negatives-
New '06 door handle is a disgrace, quality is all over the board (driven mainly by cost-cutting, in my view). The Ford philosophy of "deny there is a problem and it will go away" for warranty work issues.
I didn't make up the lost sales....I provided the link.
* 292 HP
* Outstanding 6-speed transmission
Also, my 2006 Mountaineer, the 456-th built, is defect- and rattle-free, Fit & finish excellent, paint excellent, 7000# towing capacity.
My wife & I agree that the Ford blew it on the inside door release handles.
In 33 years with Ford, I never detected a hint of "deny there is a problem and it will go away" for warranty work issues. What's your source of information?
I know some Ford/L-M dealers behave this way, as do some dealers for ALL manufacturers ... including Japanese.
Yes, and the five speeds were supposed to be outstanding too until the transmission solenoids starting going out.
"In 33 years with Ford, I never detected a hint of "deny there is a problem and it will go away" for warranty work issues. What's your source of information?"
Well, if your an employee your going to be treated a heck of lot better than others at the dealerships. I had that famous rear-end whine, was told it "wasn't as bad as most" and the dealer wouldn't fix it.
I am glad you have had a steady job for the past 33 years, but your ownership experience will be vastly different than most.
As far as quality is concerned, I had a rear power window motor go out (and I know you are very familiar with these issues) and guess what? It was on "national back order". So much for quality control. It was the same with the rear end. You can check the board for people who had them replaced more than once. The accumulation of miles will tell how much "quality control" there is!
There is absolutely NO truth to this statement. Please state facts, and not assumptions.
"I am glad you have had a steady job for the past 33 years, but your ownership experience will be vastly different than most."
NO truth to this either. Please stick to facts.
"Yes, and the five speeds were supposed to be outstanding too until the transmission solenoids starting going out."
Do you suppose that's one reason they went to the totally-new 6-speed?
"As far as quality is concerned, I had a rear power window motor go out (and I know you are very familiar with these issues) and guess what? It was on "national back order". So much for quality control. It was the same with the rear end. You can check the board for people who had them replaced more than once."
This part made by a supplier who also supplies Japanese vehicles. Balanced facts would be appreciated.
I notice you didn't mention anything specific. What's the basis for your sweeping generalization?
tidester, host
Isn't the one in the Explorer and Mounatineer the same on used in the Jaguar and Navigator?
The RWD transmission in Explorer/Mountaineer is made at the Ford Transmission plant in Livonia, MI.
The Jag & last-year's Navigator 6-speed is essentially the same design, but made by ZF.
Your right it is an assumption. I am sure the dealership knows that you are a Ford employee, and you get better treatment than others. If they don't know your a Ford employee, and you don't tell them (which I doubt) your a better man than I am. Everybody takes care of their own, it's a fact of life. AND there is TRUTH TO THIS STATEMENT, and asking me to prove it--kinda hard... wouldn't you say?
My wife worked for a subsidiary of General motors several years ago. She purchased cars on the employee plan. As the car moved along the assembly line, it had a sticker on the window indicating an employee purchase... you don't think that a little extra care might be given to those cars? C'mon!
Whatever ...