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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - VIII
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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - VII. Please
continue these discussions here.
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Toyota TACOMA vs Ford RANGER - VII. Please
continue these discussions here.
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http://www.coloradotacoma.com/Moab/moab.html
BTW I post the good and the bad of either vehicle. These pictures happen to be from the Toyota Tacoma off-road club of Colorado.
So you think pictures of vehicles going over 2-3 foot rocks is "bad [non-permissible content removed]"?
Look above, one miss step and you roll down a cliff 500 of so feet, vehicle damage almost certain. One miss step in the area that you showed, you get winched out, at Moab, you may not survive.
That is 4 Wheeeling in the West.
Try this pic
http://www.lieblweb.com/P000513F/MVC-002FJPG.JPG
Maybe you may not like that loose dirt under your truck. Pavement is more suitable if that is the case.
Here is a Ranger rock crawling
http://www.truckworld.com/Stuck-Of-The-Month/98feb.jpg
Well 5 Rangers and a Bronco left for the trail one day. . .
http://members.aol.com/uncchrisb/ccA.jpg
and one, mine, found a bit of mud to play. . .
http://members.aol.com/uncchrisb/ccB.jpg
http://members.aol.com/uncchrisb/ccC.jpg
And if you did'nt like that one, perhaps rear wheel up 16 inches, the place is the same. . .
http://members.aol.com/uncchrisb/ccD.jpg
(pssst, dont try with a Tacoma, the toy might break)
Now you said before, my pics were a joke. . .
Same place, closer up, with a stuck Suburban, who's tires did smoke. . .
http://members.aol.com/uncchrisb/ccE.jpg
(pssst, note the white 87 Ranger about to pass the stuck Suburban)
Now that pic you showed of the Black Toy was nice...
But the ground in that shot seemed firm, not loose like this area which was slick as fresh ice. . .
http://members.aol.com/uncchrisb/ccF.jpg
(pssst, the white 87 Ranger is now past the stuck Suburban. Also the loose dirt/rocks in the foreground was the easy way up, the part in the far, where the Suburban and Ranger is is a bit steeper and looser ground)
Now you have seen a taste of Rangers in the Rockies, the Adirondecks they are not...
At 11,007 feet, thin on O2, yes, east coast mountains, NOT by a long shot. . .
But sometimes when play is done, and you rest your 4X4 beast. . .
http://members.aol.com/uncchrisb/ccG.jpg
You just take in the eye candy of beautiful mountains, clean and dry air and dream of next weeks repeat.
I tried to keep the camera level to give a better impression of the steepness of that area. Going to splurge and get an inclinometer to tell the angle up/down and sideslip. They are only about 20 bucks.
Everyone knows the Suburban is a terrible offroader, so no surprise here that it got stuck.
Those are some nice NAtional Forest roads Cspounser.
But do you REALLY think that climb would be tough for a TRD with a locker and that suspension? na-uh.
By the way.....where were the modern rangers i n that pick? All I saw was pre-92 , aftermarket added-on Rangers, which were far superior for offroading compared to the current design.
And so Cspounser went,
up the hills, through the trees, all day long
but when he looked under his tires, he remembered it was a maintained forest road he was on.........
Cspousner-
Please try to remember that the Adirondack mountains out east receive MUCH more rain, creating many more muddy and slick offroading opportunities.
Your dried up section of Colorado is very nice for trail riding.
I especially enjoyed that shot of your low-rider Ranger going through 1 inch of water........
WOW.
Like I said, these mountains are much more wet and slick with some interesting rocks. This picture easily tops anything you have shown Cspounser.
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/VA052700B/MVC-047B.JPG
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/VA052700C/MVC-058C.JPG
Just SLIGHTLY http://www.lieblweb.com/P000513A/MVC-005.JPG
Everyone compare this pic to Cspounser's
"puddle pick" a few posts back!!!!
What was that I was saying about tough terrain Cspousner? So far, all these pics from the "wimpy" Appalachians are MUCH tougher than what you have shown from the South Central rockies.
NO wonder you never seem to see them..........
http://www.lieblweb.com/P000513C/MVC-013C.JPG
Now anyone who thinks Cspounsers Sunday driver-daisy chain drive along is rougher than this, please raise your hand......
Seriously. Cspounser rips the mountains out east, yet they offer just as tough conditions. And CERTAINLY, these pics prove that. At least they PROVE that Cspounser's "ofroading" pics are nothing, nothing at all, especially when compared with a Tacoma.
TSb's
Recalls
Reliability
defect investigations
consumer reports
offroading
reliability
performance
THE TOYOTA TACOMA is KING!!!!
A great offroad suspension, a sweet locker, and that great, great Toyota quality.
Darn, these are nice trucks. Thats why you pay a premium. You are getting a fine tuned, meticulously built MACHINE.
http://www.lieblweb.com/
By, that was tough getting that Tacoma up on that granite rocks, was'nt it?
Spoog, I have already posted pictures of Rangers in So. NJ, muddy water over the bumper, Rangers with front wheels hanging over JawsI on Blanca Peak road, and quite frankly, the articulation of the Rangers I was with last sunday puts anything you just posted to shame.
Still, very nice pictures, but some quite frankly did not look that tough.
But more importaintly, YOU were not in any of the pictures that you posted, and rocky firm ground at an elevation of less than 1000 feet is quite a bit different and easier than very loose dirt and rocks, 30-40 degree slopes at 11,000 feet when the altitude robs you of half your horse power.
But again, nice pics just the same, just not
YOUR'S.
And this from the self proclaimed Sierra Club member, tree hugging, bad Forest Plan loving, locks up the National Forest's and throw away the key,
spoog?
Typical response from that side of the issue, do as I say, as I dictate, not as I do. . .
Again, very nice pics, but what a phoney you are. . .
How about showing us some pictures of YOU and YOUR Tacoma doing some off-roading.
Here's your opportunity to show us that 1) you actually own a Tacoma, and 2) you take it off-road.
Naturally, we would fully expect that your photos would show you and your truck experiencing much more difficult obstacles than those cpousnr showed us since your Tacoma is such a superior vehicle.
Enjoyed your photos and as a fellow Coloradan, can attest to the loss of power in the mountains. A few years ago I did some real nice trails in the mountains west of Boulder with the StorageTek 4x4 club. We used our '89 Toyota extra-cab, and our '90 4Runner, which were as good off-road as either of my Tacomas.
did not look that tough."
???????????????? The pictures I posted cspouser look 10 TIMES tougher than the birdwatching tour you post. There is not ONE challenging obstacle in ALL Of your photos.
\\rocky firm ground at
an elevation of less than 1000 feet is quite a bit
different and easier than very loose dirt and
rocks,\\
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. The photos I posted are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH More difficult than the ones you posted Cspounser. ANyone here can see that fact. Even Mvlangico knows those are tougher pics, and I annoy the heck out of him.
IF you consider huge rock slabs and absolutely no roads to be "not as tough as a maintained forest service dirt road", you are indeed off your rocker.
\\ 30-40 degree slopes at 11,000 feet when the
altitude robs you of half your horse power.\\
Big deal CSpounser. You were STILL on EASY TRAILS that a CAR could traverse.
Cspounser is refutted , BRUTALLY SO, yet again.
in So. NJ, muddy water over the bumper, Rangers
with front wheels hanging over JawsI on Blanca Peak\\
Go ahead Cspounser. I DARE you to post those pictures you have against the ones I just posted. They are so incredibly weak and inferior compared to the pics I just posted it is LAUGHABLE. Anyone viewing this forum knows it.
Your little 2 inch puddle, and your maintained forest road runs are nothing compared to those tacoma pics. Ya gotta love it!
\\road, and quite frankly, the articulation of the
Rangers I was with last sunday puts anything you
just posted to shame.\\
@!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!
http://members.aol.com/uncchrisb/ccB.jpg
(note the 1 inch of water, if that)
Here is the TACOMA version:
http://www.lieblweb.com/P000513A/MVC-005.JPG
http://members.aol.com/uncchrisb/ccC.jpg
Now heres a real obstacle, a small, dried up waterfall:
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/VA052700B/MVC-037B.JPG
Now watch the Tacoma tackle it:
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/VA052700B/MVC-045B.JPG
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/VA052700B/MVC-046B.JPG
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/VA052700B/MVC-047B.JPG
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/VA052700B/MVC-035B.JPG
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/VA052700B/MVC-040B.JPG
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/VA052700B/MVC-048B.JPG
You talk the talk, but have you ever walked the walk????
I can say from experience that unless you have actually taken YOUR Tacoma on some of these trails, you can't make comparisons based on photos. Apples and oranges my friend.
BTW- cpousnr didn't have an army of "spotters" to guide his group through the tough spots and take photos. I believe he fully explained that in an earlier post.
He's proved that he adept at reading magazine articles (over and over, btw) and looking for neat pictures on the web.
Spoog offroad??? LOL! Yeah right!
AND, Mr. Environmentalist, the pictures in some cases did not seem to be on established trails AND were running creeks/rivers which I THINK you trashed people that would do that kind of thing.
Are we establishing that some, not all, Tacoma owners have no regard for protection of the environment?
The pictures of the stuck Suburban and the Ranger passing it were not on an established maintained trail. It was unfirm dirt, mixed with football and abobe sized rocks to a depth of maybe 12 inches on a 30-40 degree slope at 11,000 feet.
Seem to remember the airborne pic of a Tacoma you posted was on real tough asphault.
Thats fair, some of the pics I showed were modified too.
The pictures I showed are INFINITELY MORE TOUGH THAN those birdwatching photos you showed. My god man, the Tacoma is up to its windows in WATER!!!
THe Rock swamp is extremely tough. Look at the size of those rocks mixed with mud@!!!!!!!!
The rocks you showed in your photos were tiny pieces of NOTHING. These were BOULDERS.
\\I DID say I liked the pictures but I DID NOT see
any articulation that even APPROACHED the Ranger
pictures I showed. \\
Your wrong Cspousner. That picture of the Ranger is on a TINY bump. Look at the articulation of the Tacoma going down the Waterfall1!! Look at the articulation of the Tacoma going up and between those two humps!!!!!
\\AND as stated, it is much
EASIER to traverse and, this IS a jab, reasonably
flat area in a 190hp engine, running at less than
1,000 feet in elevation than it is to have a 150 hp
engined vehicle running at 11,000 feet.\\
Wrong. Wrong. WRONG. This MAY be true if you were running tough obstacles, but you WERENT. You were on a easy TRAIL. The conditions and areas in the photos I showed are EXTREMELY MORE TOUGH than the phots you showed. Any moron can see that.
\\The pictures of the stuck Suburban and the Ranger
passing it were not on an established maintained
trail. It was unfirm dirt, mixed with football and
abobe sized rocks to a depth of maybe 12 inches on
a 30-40 degree slope at 11,000 feet.\\
And the pic I showed had SEMI- TIRE sized boulders mixed with mud about 2 feet deep.
The Water hole I showed had a Tacoma traversing water UP TO ITS HOOD.
Dang Cspousner, keep it up. I think more and more people are starting to see how you deny plain facts(TSB, Edmunds, CR, 4wheeler), and deny the very truth that those photos I posted are SO much tougher than that fluff you posted. It's making you look very, very foolish.
You are in denial here man, BIG TIME.
http://www.ai-online.com/stats/toyota.htm
You stated:
"Wrong. Wrong. WRONG. This MAY be true if you were running tough obstacles, but you WERENT. You were on a easy TRAIL. The conditions and areas in the photos I showed are EXTREMELY MORE TOUGH than the phots you showed. Any moron can see that."
Since you were NOT on either trail, I don't see how you can possibly make this statement. Please drop this current fixation you have on photos or it will soon become very evident who the real moron is around here.
BTW- those trails you posted photos of didn't look too tough to me. Lots of soft gooey mud and snow. Bring your imaginary Tacoma to Colorado and try some real rocks.
I have always cherished my freedom over monetary gains. And if I can't have both, I will take freedom anyday. But so far, I am managing to balance both areas.
too tough to me. Lots of soft gooey mud and snow.
Bring your imaginary Tacoma to Colorado and try
some real rocks."
Yeah, trails of filth covered trucks HOOD deep in mud puddles and semi-sized boulders is reallyy not tough.
Try some real rocks? Funny, I didnt see any of those in Cspounsers pictures.