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Which is better ??

rinkerrinker Member Posts: 1
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I need a big truck to tow a boat about 9000 lb.

Need advice to decide which one to get.

Thanks
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  • tacoma_trdtacoma_trd Member Posts: 135
    Ford Superduty F-250 V8, V10, or Powerstroke Diesel
  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    I would recommend the F-350 SRW it's cheaper than the F-250, don't know why but all of the dealers say that. I would also recommend possibly the new GM 2500 or 3500(with single rear wheels) if they go with the new Izuzu diesel. Any of these trucks would be fine for towing 9000lbs. or more.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    If I were towing 9k lbs on a regular basis, I would go with nothing less than a diesel and right now, the best proven diesel on the market is the Powerstroke. Will the GM deliver a better package? Time will only tell, but expect a lot of bugs in whatever GM puts out initially. GM has a terrible habit of using it's customers for 2-3 years to work out lots of bugs that should have been caught during design and production.

    Just my opinion.
  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    I can agree with you, f150rules. Look at their past history of their transmissions in all past S-10's and 1500's. They couldn't build one so Allison steps in. Should be good now because they aren't building it. Their diesel sucks always has, again they can't do it so they let Izuzu come in...they have plenty of proven truck experience especially with all of those box vans around. Definately go with a diesel. IMHO, the Cummins is way too loud, if I had to buy today it would be the Ford.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    You say GM couldnt build a diesel and IZUZU stepped in? Well what about the cummins? That isnt dodge. Ford and dodge have and dodge still does use cummins thats not their own. Kinda hypocritical dont ya think?
  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    Sorry you're right I wasn't trying to be hypocritical. I guess my underlying meaning was that everybody else already admitted sort of that they can't build diesels. Not trying to bash GM. Isn't Ford's designed or built by Detroit Diesel?
  • superjim2000superjim2000 Member Posts: 314
    Ford uses international diesels. Calls them navistars. What do you mean GM cant build S10 and 1500 transmissions? My old S10 trans (and the rest of the truck) went 300,000 miles. Still out there somewhere.

    I agree the 6.2/5 was a joke, but the reason Allison is building the transmission for the new diesel is the amount of torque the engine makes, GM wants to be #1 in truck sales and went the extra mile for a much better design this time for the diesel.

    Isuzu didn't step in. GM owns a controlling interest in Isuzu and they are partners on the Duramax.
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    Ford and Dodge diesel trucks are widely known to have the weakest link in their transmissions. GM just raised the bar, by putting a proven monster transmission in. These same Allisons have been in Cummins powered RVs for a while now. they are bulletproof.

    I've seen many many GM light duty tranny's go 150K mile +. just do what the manual says, tow in 3rd gear, change fluid often. I have seen a few failures before 100K, but those owners didn't heed the manual.
  • lariat1lariat1 Member Posts: 461
    Probably the main reason transmissions go bad is due to improper maintenance.Most people change the oil in thier engines every 5k miles or sooner but it is not uncommon for a transmission to go on for many tens of thousnds of miles before it recieves new fluid and a filter. If you change the transmission fluid every 36k miles it will increase the life of the tranny a bunch especially in high torque applications such as diesels and large gas motors. I am willing to bet that 75% of the peple who own a truck have never even checked the transmission fluid. It is simple and if you do it everytime you check the oil you can save a lot of pain later.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    lbs...I'd get a diesel...yeah there are several gas engines that would be close to or 1-2K to spare...but that wouldn't leave any comfort zone so to speak...

    The new Chevy Duramax diesel with the Allison tranny will be the king....period....(for now)

    I hear the Dodge will offer the Allison tranny as well soon?

    Good Luck

    - Tim
  • bmaigebmaige Member Posts: 140
    The only experience I have had driving a truck with the Allison tranny was an almost brand new Chevrolet rental truck that had a decal indicating it had the Allison transmission in it. I drove it about 600 miles, in highway, as well as stop-and-go traffic, and I must say I didn't like it at all. Maybe the truck was so new the transmission hadn't been properly adjusted, but it would shift at some of the ungodliest times, and harshly, at that. If you were accelerating, in particular, it seemed to hang in a low gear far too long, and when you thought it was never going to change, it would suddenly change so hard it would pop your head back. If that one experience is any indication of normal Allison truck transmission driveability I wouldn't have one on a drunk. I am used to driving all sorts of vehicles, and have driven vehicles with all sorts of transmissions, but personally prefer a manual transmission in a car or truck.
  • oldharryoldharry Member Posts: 413
    see Detroit diesels in new trucks often, as the government thinks they are too loud. Allison transmissions shift firmly but if adjusted right are not unpleasant to drive. Both Detroit Diesel, and Allison used to be divisions of GM, I don't know if they still are, but comments of GM can't build . . . seem inapropriate when linked to "so Allison steps in". :<)

    Harry
  • mahimahimahimahi Member Posts: 497
    Detroit Diesel is owned and operated by Penske. They(Penske) tried to buy OMC(Outboard Motor Company) for their FICHT technology and apply it to their 2-stroke Diesels. Maybe I should make it clear that just because I had trouble and every GM truck at my dealership had trouble with their transmission, I would still buy a GM truck over the other brands. As long as GM didn't design the diesel engine that went in it! I know GM has a controlling intrest in Isuzu. What I meant was their design team or diesel division stepped in. I religously changed my transmission fluid and so does the dealership, plus I had a transmission cooler installed by a Chevrolet dealership. I wasn't towing over my limit or even near it, in fact my transmission went out pulling a 16ft Bass Tracker. I never tow in O/D even though I have been debated against that method here on another topic. I look forward to the new GM/Allison/Isuzu combo I think it will be awesome. It makes me glad that I didn't buy the F250/350 this year and when my lease is up in a few years they should have any bugs in the GM worked out by then.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    That sounds like when you have the tow/haul mode on and the truck is empty...it stays what seems too long...and shifts hard....when loaded down...it does not get noticed as it helps the whole process.

    Maybe it was on?...or it was not adjusted right?...Allison makes one hell of a tranny.

    - Tim
  • tubeking1tubeking1 Member Posts: 6
    Hmmmm, failed brake rotors, failed hubs, failed T conv, drivability probs, yup them Furds are bullet proof... Leaky pinon seal, never heard about that one B4, ya right. FMC staple.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    Yup! Them G.M's is way better with them pinging 5.3's and them there sliding rear windows cracking. Can't forget about all them Shakerados now can we? Non working ABS...You're right, Ford's the only one with any problems.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    If that's it we'll be here till hell freezes over discussing the the problems cause they all have 'em, in fact they all have a lot of 'em including piston slapping fords and vibrating chevys with stalled dodges who trans crap at 1500 miles...After a while it becomes a BIG SO WHAT...
    Get used to the crap that the manufacturers put out. It's the American way. Especially when we keep buying the damn things...My $.25

    Dean
  • jcmdiejcmdie Member Posts: 594
    The 3/4 ton and 1 ton made by any of the big three get a lot less complaints and get worked a lot harder than the 1/2 ton trucks. The 1/2 ton trucks are light duty and built for the masses. they get abused, break, and complaints abound. Sometimes the stereotypes from the 1/2 ton trucks get carried over to the heavier duty series. Read through the topics on the heavier duty trucks and there are not nearly as many complaints.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    a lot less percent of them as well....but I would have to say they even make a better commuter as well....as they are less prone to problems..(from what I see)

    and at $1000 or less additional price....and only 1-2 MPG sacrifice....it's a no brainer!....unless you just HAVE to have a Z71 sticker to sleep at night....

    LOL

    My 3 cents

    - Tim
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    thing removed from the truck. Thing is sooo tacky. Maybe we could put the sticker of the Michelin fatman or Pillbury doughboy next to it...then again, I removed all the emblems from the truck. Like no one could tell it was a Silverado...LOL

    One ton owners are too busy working the farm or the construction site to be postin and such in this hea forum. So we may never hear of any one ton problems. Probably bought a puter just for the kids to play Tomb Raider and access adult sites on the net...my opinion

    Dean
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    2500 only 1-2 mpgs worse? Would defy modern science if it did.
  • meredithmeredith Member Posts: 575
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