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  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    edited January 2013
    G'day

    EMW T327. Not so much a replica as a former BMW in East Germany taking a different path, off the same pre war design. Eisenach in Thuringia ended up in the Eastern Zone after the war and they just restarted off the pre war designs. The factory continued to use the BMW brand for some years and then change to EMW with the blue being replaced with red on the roundel. In guess that this makes the car about 1952 production.

    Someone will remember the connection between EMW and Wartburg. I know they both came from Eisenach but cannot recall whether they were from the same factory.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,094
    huh. OK. I found more pics and they do all look like that. Really thought '67 would have still had the '65-'66 taillights, and I definitely thought it said shelby on the back.

    A '67 Mustang (and thus, Shelby) is a very different car than a '65 or '66.
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,515
    yes, a 1953 EMW. Like Graham said, it sounds more like a continuation, since they had the factory sitting there, and just kept making cars behind the curtain. With the red instead of blue on the badge.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 10,706
    edited January 2013
    Well, according to the label on the photo it's a Renault 5... ;)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,515
    based on the plates that is a Euro version, hence the 5.

    Our model was the infamous leCar.

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  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    I am not sure about the LeCar but the R5 was ubiquitous in Europe when I was living there. They were remarkably space efficient. Like the R 16, the gearbox was in front of the engine, allowing the spare wheel to be stored above the gearbox. That made for a really spacious cabin for such a small car. However the odd gear linkages meant that the gear shift was sort of spongy, especially when the car was tired.

    That red, usually badly deteriorated, seemed to be the favourite colour. Most that I remember had saggy suspension.

    There were also two turbo derivatives, the R5 Turbo, which was basically a mid engine, rear wheel drive monster to compete with the Lancia Stratos in Rally competition and the later, more sedate, R5 Turbo II which used more of the normal R5 mechanicals. A colleague, a mechanical engineer, had one of the latter. It was thrashed mercilessly and cost so much to maintain that my employer banned them from our fleet! Gee, it was fun! (and terrifying).

    Cheers

    Graham
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,305
    edited January 2013
    The sign in front of the car read 1962, but I don't want to post it because it has the owner's name and city on it, although I know they ok'ed it for the show.

    The only picture I have of a 1960 Sir Stirling Moss race car is this one.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
    Nice, that's a Maserati Tipo 61, better known by its "Birdcage" nickname (from the complex structure that lay under that swoopy bodywork.).

    Maserati 's sports racing cars especially the 250S and the Tipo61 were the mounts of many famous racers in the 50s and early 60s.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,305
    edited January 2013
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    Rambler American. 1962 or so.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    i remember those. They cut the price so much that they used stick-on decals to label the instrument panel !
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
    Yup, it's 1963 AMC Rambler American.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
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  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,471
    That would be a Toyota "Mister 2"; mid-2000s.

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  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    My recollection is that it was actually an almost experimental ground effect vehicle using the M1 engine for Group C racing. I cannot recall the detail but there is something scratching at my memory

    Cheers

    Graham
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Toyota MR2 from early '90s. There is one (also in red) up the street from me, right now. It looks like a little Ferrari 348

    Cheers

    Graham
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Found a photo of it racing

    http://alex62.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/29/ho- bbs81c.jpg

    I remain doubtful about the front end. Seems implausible in a ground effect car

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390

    Toyota MR2 from early '90s.

    Exactly, it's a '92. I know a couple of guys who have 'em and they really love them.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
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    Both cars are postwar even if one doesn't look it.

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    I'll grab the 46 Plymouth.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,094
    edited January 2013
    The American actually got a hardtop version before the Classic and Ambassador did!

    As a kid, I used to laugh at how Rambler speedometers went "1,2,3,4,5,6," etc. instead of "10, 20, 30", etc.
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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    1949 - 53 Ford Prefect E493A - not a British market version as we had semaphore trafficators.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
    Yup, the caption indicates that it's a 1949 Ford Prefect. The Plymouth is a 1946 Special Deluxe.

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    - not a British market version as we had semaphore trafficators.
    Which was once mistaken to be the dominant life form.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    American Motors saved money not putting in those zeroes!!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,094
    edited January 2013
    I shouldn't have laughed too loud I guess, as '63 and later Studebakers, my favorites, only wrote out "20, 40, 60, 80, 100, 120", and "140" and "160" in "Super" models...they even skipped the 'odd' tens!
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    well at least they were optimists .
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,094
    The Bonneville R3 Avanti that set the U.S.A.C. land speed records would be the only one that needed the 160 speedo. The R2 Hawk went 140 at Bonneville and an R2 Lark, 132.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well I sure wouldn't drive one that fast...or any stock 60s car for that matter.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
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    Wheels are non-stock Panasports or Minilites.

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  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    The pretty Fiat 124 Coupe. This one looks a little sad with panels not very straight

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
    Fiat 124 Coupe

    Yup that is a Gen 2 (1969-73) Fiat 124 Sport Coupe 1600. It lacks bumpers because it's been modified for Autocross racing.

    Styling was by Boano.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,305
    Good find.
    That looks like a wide body version of the same car.
    My daughter told me the cars were there for some VIP drives around the track.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'd like to have a Fiat 124 coupe. Pretty hard to find them anymore---most have been turned into Ferrous Oxide mines.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    There are several lovely Italian Coupes of that era. I think they look better without bumpers, although impractical.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 236,777
    Alfas. :)

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    1965 Catalina 2+2
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
    Right and the fender badge indicates this one has the big 421 under the hood.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,094
    My favorite year of full-size Pontiac.
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
    No takers on #35441, not many of these came to our shores but later versions enjoyed some popularity at the height of the Euro car boom in the early 60s.

    Paging Magnette or Grahampeters.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited January 2013
    OHHHHH...I thought we were supposed to identify the TRAILER!

    Ah, no need to trouble our brothers on foreign shores---I've suffered enough under British cars to take this one:

    That is, I believe, a Hillman Minx "Californian".

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
    edited January 2013
    You're close Mr. S but the Hillman Minx Californian was described by Octane magazine as "a 1953 Minx Drophead coupe with a permanent hardtop attached".
    The car in the photo is a 1953 Hillman Minx convertible (AKA "drophead coupe") but without the h/t it can't be a "Californian". link .

    If we're going to get really pedantic it's a Hillman Minx Mark V or Phase V ;) . Ireally should go for a PhD in Pedantry. Rootes Group nomenclature and badge-swapping would make an excellent thesis project. :sick:

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Now really, how can you take a hardtop and or off a car and have its name changed automatically? :P
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,390
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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,515
    That is a 1953 hideousmobile. Estate model.

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    The Californian hardtop wasn't removable - it was a pillarless two door saloon - like the later Sunbeam Rapier. also the Hillman Minx convertible preceded it by a few years - the first version of the Californian wasn't sold until 1953, whereas the convertible was on sale by about 1950/1.
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