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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    Great job as usual Lem and you even spotted the sole import in the scene, that's the long-forgotten Audi Fox. Outside North America it was the original Audi 80 (B1) and it was very important design. The later VW Golf Mk.1 used much of the drivetrain of the B1 except that the engine got turned sideways.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    edited June 2013
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    Bigger, see the whole car.

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    Looks like you guys are gonna need help on the slick little coupe in #37129 so here's a few clues.

    The car is the first effort for a builder who became famous mostly for modifying other people's cars. Only 3 were built.

    The styling was one of Vignale's early efforts, he often used portholes back then. Note the small "V" on the lower fender

    The chassis were modified Cisitalia units obtained at a discount from the then defunct company, the engine is a modified Fiat four.



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  • wgraferwgrafer Member Posts: 592
    Good job! You got me on "Colonnade' as I don't recall ever using that term back then. BTW, I believe the brown & white Chevelle is a '74, not a '75 (I had one, and the grilles were slightly different). :)
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    edited June 2013
    No guesses re: Post # 37129? It's not surprising since only three were ever made. It's an Abarth 205A Berlinetta Vignale ca.1953, an interesting car for several reasons not the least being that it was an early effort by Carlo Abarth, an Austrian-born, naturalized Italian who later became well known as a leading tuner of Fiat cars beginning with the Fiat Nouva 500/600s of the later 50s. Abarth was one of the enginieri at Cisitalia and acquired several Cisitalia 204 chassis when Cisitalia was liquidated. These became the basis of his 205A.

    The slick body was built by Carrozzeria Vignale and styled by Giovanni Michelotti, later to become well-known for designing the TR-4/5/250 and other Tiumphs as well as the BMW Neue Classe sedans (1600/2002 etc.) The Cunningham C-3 was very similar but IMO the Abarth looks much more aggressively styled w it's hood scoop and fog lamps.

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  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Very pretty but a real challenge for me. I had only got to figuring that it was Italian.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,304
    When I clicked on the link to the larger picture, all the information was in the link title, so I didn't say anything. It would have been inadvertent cheating.
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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    edited June 2013
    I'm going to guess this is the product of one of the many small Brit car makers. The color and shape suggests a 1970s car.

    It doesn't look familiar to me but the roundel on the nose does and it's driving me crazy because I can't quite place it. Am i getting warm at least? :mad: :sick:

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    Well, it's not British, and in fact its a make we didn't get in Britain at the time although they were sold over in the States... This is a different version from the ones you would be familiar with over there, however...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    Well, it's not British, and in fact its a make we didn't get in Britain at the time although they were sold over in the States... This is a different version from the ones you would be familiar with over there, however...

    Oy! No clue! :sick: :confuse: :cry:

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    Ok - it's Italian - most of this make had American engines, and were hardly known over here, allthough fairly well known over there, but this is a development that would have had a German engine, and wasn't one I was familiar with at all...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    Gee thanks for the help, now I'm more confused than ever. :confuse: The emblem doesn't match up with DeTomaso, Bizzarini, ISO, Intermeccanica or Siata to name a few that used Americano power.

    I give up!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,139
    It really has a Bizzarrini look to it, that's my guess.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    edited June 2013
    You're right Fin, I was mistaken, that looks like a Bizzarrini emblem on the nose>

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    That said I could find only a single picture of any Bizzarrini that looks anything like it. It's on the bottom of the Bizzarrini page at carsfromitaly.net They do not say what model it is. :cry:

    For the love of God tell us what it is!

    Edit: I found it at motorbase.com! It's a Bizzarrini Europa 1900(1966-69) and it's powered by the same 1.9 liter engine used in the Opel GT. I guess B?izzarrini figured if Opel could make a miniature Corvette, he could turn out a miniature of the Strada.

    Europa 1900>

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    Strada 5300>

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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    Thats it - a Bizzarini Europa. I've hardly ever seen any of the regular Bizzarinis - they weren't sold in UK as far as I'm aware - and the Europa was probably only in mainland Europe - this one was for sale at the Essen car show and I had never heard of it until then...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
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  • odie6lodie6l Member Posts: 1,173
    Yes, this was the Packard Motel on Atlantic Ave. in Wildwood, NJ.

    Odie
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    A Renault 12 station wagon and Citroen 2CV

    Cars on side street too small for me when viewed on tablet

    Cheers

    Graham
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    edited June 2013
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    Of course, it helps if you know where I'm from.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    There are bits that remind me of an MG B.

    Something built in Belfast off an MG base?

    Cheers

    Graham
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    edited June 2013
    The engine and no doubt a number of the other bits would have been MG - but I'm not from Ireland (North or South
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 236,760
    Is it an Austin?

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  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    I've now placed it as a Gilbern GT. Very pretty! I think they were made somewhere in the Rhondda Valley.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
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  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Not a Maserati Quattroporte, but an Iso Rivolta S4. The lines do not look too bad at this angle but on true side on, the glass appears to drop too low to the kink in the rear passenger window. It looks ungainly. Not sure who the designer was.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    edited June 2013
    This design is a few years newer than the original Rivolta which was a 2-door, but it was originally called the Iso Rivolta S4, later some were called Iso Rivolta Fidias, changed again in '69 to simply Iso Fidia. :confuse: The Fidia was also powered by a Chevy 5.3l V8 and was advertised as „Le quattro poltrone piu veloci del mondo“ ="The fastest four seats in the World" (no doubt Maserati and Monteverdi would beg to differ, so for that matter would Ford and Chrysler ;) ).

    The Fidia was styled at Ghia by Giorgietto Giugiaro and I think it's fabulous, dropped windowline and all. Look at the visibility and headroom offered by the tall side glass! What a refreshing contrast to the slit windows on some many current designs.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,139
    6.3 would beg to differ as well.

    The Iso is kind of awkward to me, but if one looks at it as representative of the time period, it isn't all bad.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 236,760
    Saw a Monteverdi at the car show, today... 1978 model...

    Sign in front of it said 375 HP!!

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  • odie6lodie6l Member Posts: 1,173
    What is funny is nobody mentioned that it is Christopher Guest on the horse. Just glad he wasn't wearing his Count Rogun costume from The Princess Bride.

    Odie
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
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    If you're sharp you might know what city this is.

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    I'll grab the "featured" car under the sign as a 49 Mercury.
    Bad image having a liquid flow from under it.
    Jax = Jacksonville?
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Prat has a rather different meaning for the English. When I read Louis Armstrong's mention of Prat's Restaurant (I think referring to a fish sandwich), I had wondered!

    Mind you, if you have ever eaten a Shrimp Po'Boy, you will know the appeal.

    So, I guess New Orleans.

    Cheers

    Graham
  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    Sorry about the delay in replying to you on this but I didn't use my computer this weekend...
    It is indeed a Gilbern GT, from the most prominent maufcaturer ever based in Wales - Gilbern were from Llantwit Fadre near Pontypridd - on the edge of the Rhondda as you say.
    This one, being from 1965 is a fairly late version of this model and would probably have the 1798cc MGB engine, but they were capable of taking BMC A or B series engines - quite a number were fitted with the 1622cc unit, for example. The GT was replaced by the Genie I think in 1966 but there was a bit of overlap between the models for some time. Most Gilberns were sold as kits which was advantageous from a tax point of view until 1973 when the tax position changed.
    I'm originally from South Wales too, although I've lived here in London for years.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day

    Those rear lights are bugging me. They are off a BMC car, but I cannot exactly place the model.

    There was something about the first Gilbern being built in an upstairs room and then having to be winched down. I could relate to this as my sister once constructed a fiberglass kayak in the kitchen and mum got a bit distressed. The fiberglass would not set, so we had to apply a hair dryer for days. I was also building a Mirror dinghy at the time and wickedly asked mum if I could finish it in the lounge-room.

    I periodically wondered why the only obvious motor manufacturer in Wales was the Ford factory at Bridgend which I think manufactured engines. There is also something in Deeside which is more Liverpool than Wales, to my mind.

    Some of the most awful poverty I ever saw was up the Valleys of South Wales, after the collieries had closed.

    However, it did give rise to some humour, when I was attempting to interview a small business owner after a fatal explosion.

    At the time, I owned a Mercedes C class (worst car that I ever owned because of continuous break-downs).

    As I tried to interview the gentleman in his very threadbare lounge-room, carpets and furnishings worn away to nothing, he kept leaping up and peering out the window. I became increasingly suspicious, wondering if his nervousness was due to my very gentle questioning. I ultimately challenged him and he said "No, I'm just worried about your car. It's worth more than all the cars in the street, including those that people own (ie. the balance had been stolen). I don't think that I had ever seen such a collection of Bangers. The mystery is how any of them could have been registered.

    When I revisited, I was careful to take the oldest and cheapest car from our car park.

    Have there been any other Welsh motor manufacturers that you can recall?

    Cheers

    Graham
  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    On the right of the featured Mercury
    48 Dodge
    49 Mercury Sedan
    A nice 49 Mercury convertible
    Next to the building a 48 Chevy

    On the left of the featured Mercury
    50 Lincoln
    48 Dodge
    51 Studebaker
  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    edited June 2013
    I'm with you on the scene's being in New Orleans because of the Nyanza Place street sign.
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    edited June 2013
    Yep it's N'Awlins, corner of Dryade and Howard. Jax is a beer that was brewed in the Big Easy.

    2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93

  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    edited June 2013
    I think the Gilbern's rear lights might be off a Wolseley Hornet /Riley Elf - not sure though.
    There have been a small number of cars made in Wales, but mostly kit cars etc after WW2.
    Kieft made cars in Bridgend - or nearby - before moving to the Wolverhampton area (I think). Also Davrian made cars in South Wales somewhere for a time.
    Back in the 20's there as a cyclecar called the Gwalia, which was made in Cardiff.
    Ford never made whole cars in Bridgend but since the late 70's they have made a huge number of engines. There used to be a number of component manufacturers near Swansea too - AP etc, making radiators and other bits, near the steel works.
    It was a very run-down place when the mines shut, in particular - although a lot of money from European redevelopment funds has helped a bit over the last thirty years - still some pockets of terrible unemployment though - especially when you go more than forty minutes from the motorway...
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
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  • magnettemagnette Member Posts: 4,154
    edited June 2013
    Simca 1000 Coupe by Bertone from about 1963/6 - a very nice looking little car - not sure if they also did a 1200 version later.
    I had a model of one of these once - by Corgi Toys (who made millions of model cars in Wales)
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    You're correct Mag. Bertone obviously recapped the same styling for the Fiat 850 Coupe.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 236,760
    '90s BMW 3-series Touring (wagon). E36

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    Yup, that is a '97 BMW325 TDi Touring, a model never officially exported to the US . We never got any E36 wagons or any E36 diesel models at all.

    BMW has announced that starting in 2014 they will sell a Turbo Diesel Touring (wagon) in the US.

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  • wgraferwgrafer Member Posts: 592
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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    Try again Grafer, I see no picture. :(

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  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Member Posts: 1,165
    1959 Olds 98
  • andys120andys120 Member Posts: 23,389
    edited June 2013
    1959 Olds 98

    Yep.

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