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Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
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Insurance rates are also based on your driving record, violations/crashes, age and other factors too.
But, as you say, the rate is determined more by the driver, driving record, credit record and where you live as much as it is by the type of car you drive.
But in the GTO forum, you said:
The only thing I have noticed is that the Auto 4 upshifts too early. It shifts into TOP 4th gear as low as 30mph or less. I think as low as 28mph. [sounds like CAGS to me]...
And here's the best part:
I must admit I have gotten the 21 EPA rated Highway gas mileage, this is the first car I ever got the # on. That was at a steady 65mph. I don't use it much on the highway. Mostly in town, stop lights etc. In town I get about 13 to 14, not the 16.
Umm... The Mustang GT is rated for 25MPG on the highway. You admitted that the best you've gotten is 21 on the highway. I can get 21 in the city with my GT. But you have an automatic, you say? Well with today's technology, you don't see much of a disparage between automatic equipped cars and the same car equipped with a manual; especially not a 4MPG difference.
Given all that, I don't know how relevant insurance rates are, unless one is trying to 'prove' some point regarding the cars in question and the type of people who buy them.
Isn't it enough to discuss/argue about the cars themselves without trying to make 'points' by characterizing the car owners?
Absolutely. And I, too, am confused as to how/why insurance rates ended up in the discussion.
The last time I checked this FORUM is Mustang (2005+) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO, so why can't insurance rated be included on both cars in the discussion? For some people that makes a big dif when they purchase similar cars. Chill out dude.
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Given that we're in the throes of a Chicago heat wave/drought, I'll need one with the automatic sprinkler system option. :-)
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Since the GTO is priced higher than the mustang, and designed with less extremes, the insurance should be lower. This could affect many people's buying descisions, plenty of us here understand that paying 1,000 - 2,000 a year for auto insurance basically reduces the influence of the 5K difference between these two cars.
I only wish the GTO was made here. At least the money eventually goes into the American economy.
Get the Mustang Convertible, put the top down, pray for rain.......
That's not how it works. An expensive car is expensive to insure. If the Mustang had no claims history, it would be cheaper to insure than a GTO.
Do you know if you can buy episodes from then that included their review of the Mustang?
On a side note, Tom Cruise has a sweet Highland Green GT350 (I think) in War of the Worlds. (Very good movie.) He's only driving it for about 5 seconds though; screaming around a corner.
Speed does have some good programming, I especially like "American Muscle Car", "Dream Car Garage", and "My Classic Car". Unfortunately, their road tests look more like manufacturer infomercials than actual road tests. Sorry, no links on their web site (link title ) to purchasing videos. Beat up your cable company, they're missing a great demographic
Until 99, the 3.8 V6 in the Mustang was 150hp. The 3800 in the F-bodies in 95 to 98 would have blown that away. Even the 3.4L would have probably at least kept up if not still beat it. As for less weight, yeah. About 250lbs lighter for the V6 versions of the Mustang.
What I can't figure out is why the GTO is in the GT class in the Grand American Rolex series (competing with a whole slew of Porsche GT3 Cup cars, BMW M-3's, and a lone Corvette) while the Mustang's compete in the GS class in the Grand-Am Cup series (a different series) against Porsche 996s, BMW M-3's, Cadillac CTS-V's, and Nissan 350z's.
All I can say is the GTO drivers better watch their mirrors since they'll be sharing the track with the much quicker prototype class (DP) cars. :surprise:
It sure would be nice if the GTO was in the same series with the Mustang.....
Get Satellite TV (I've got DirecTV although DishNetwork is supposed to be pretty good too).
Just my .02.....
Plus, when I bought an HD TV, they wanted me to buy about $600 more equipment to get HD broadcasts. I know I could have just invested in an antenna to get local channels in HD, but I've got to have HBO's Deadwood and Sopranos in HD (I need a life).
Dumped Dish went back to cable. I haven't watched a SD program since.
Don't have HD so that's not a concern.
But I do have Speed Channel..... :shades:
Only thing I miss about cable is my cable modem. Unfortunately, I live so far out in the sticks I can get neither cable service nor DSL. :sick:
The 350 is gone and has been since a few years ago in HD trucks, 1999 in light trucks and 1998 in f-bodies, etc. The current Gen-III V8s are all new. And the 5.7L LS1s and LS6s are 346cid. It's flat out a completely different engine. Like a Ford 4.6 compared to a 302.
LS2 can somewhat trace (and this is a very minute trace, like it's 4.4" bore spacing) itself to the 265 SB
I wouldn't consider bore spacing to be trace-worthy, but I guess that's just my opinion. Considering everything else is different, I don't see the purpose. I mean, you can't interchange any parts, so why does that similarity matter? It doesn't really.
You know, I've been in a Vette (2001 Z06) and I've been in a GTO (2004) and I have to say, the only thing that really detracts from the C5's interior quality is the stereo head unit. If it had a higher end head unit, maybe something resembling a late model caddy, the interior would appear higher quality. The rest of the controls, the dash, etc. all seemed high quality to me (the C5 that is). The GTO's interior is pretty european. But those climate controls HAVE to go.
The only thing I have noticed is that the Auto 4 upshifts too early. It shifts into TOP 4th gear as low as 30mph or less. I think as low as 28mph. [sounds like CAGS to me]...
Well obviously since he has the auto, it's not CAGS. Though I guess the auto shift schedule sort of mimics what CAGS would in the manual. I don't think that's a problem, though. Never driven a GTO A4 but obviously if you want more acceleration, you push the gas more. Besides, most automatic cars I've driven (with the exception of my Caprice 9C1) seem to upshift too early and are geared to tall. With a 3.46 rear, the GTO obviously doesn't have a tall gearing problem.
Well with today's technology, you don't see much of a disparage between automatic equipped cars and the same car equipped with a manual; especially not a 4MPG difference.
I've already gotten to the bottom of this one. Historically, as far as cars with the LS1 are concerned (Corvette, F-body), GM always gives the A4 version a taller differential. Like 2.73. The M6 version would get 3.42. This allowed the A4 to reach similar highway numbers as the M6s in the Vette and f-body. But on the GTO, BOTH versions get 3.46. With a big 6 liter turning those high rpms on the highway (4L65-E has only a 0.7:1 OD ratio) with no displacement on demand, it gets the 21mpg rating...the car needs a 5-speed auto.
I'm not sure I'd go that far, but yeah, it's up there. I am not doing collision on either of my cars but I know that it costs about twice as much for liability for my 95 Z28 over my 93 Caprice. Comprehensive is also roughly 2x as much. Fortunately, even though I am only 24 with some tickets on my record, Progressive charges me under $700/6 months for two cars. That's not a bad deal.
Three GTOs finished (?) dead last in class (26th, 27th, and 28th) and the last surviving GTO-R was punted into the wall by a DP class machine with around 15 laps to go. I think it was running around 12th in class when that happened; ended up in 20th place in class.
Those Porsche GT3 Cup and BMW M3 cars are strong.
Anybody know why the GTOs are in the Rolex series in GT class while the Mustangs are in the Grand Am series in GS class? And for some odd reason, the BMW M3 is in BOTH series (in GT class with the GTO-Rs and in GS class with the Mustangs). Sure would be nice if the GTO-R and the Mustang actually shared the same track at the same time.....
I look for them to do much better in the next race. Still don't know why the GTO's are in a completely different race series from the Mustangs.
It is curious why the GTO and the Mustang aren't in the same venue and BMW is in both. Hopefully the GTO works out the bugs before going head to head with the Mustang.
I'm sure we're still dead last in the "gotta have it" category, GM has to work on that, funny!
On the plus ide, the windows have the "express up" feature, which is pretty nice. Styling is a subjective thing, so I won't say much other than it's obvious many people like it since the dealers still aren't discounting the GT's.
On the other hand, the inside of the car is just not going to impress anyone who has spent time in a GTO. All the panels are flat, and the plastic they use is hard and cheap looking. The car seems to have more bulk than it actually has because the beltline is so high and the hood arcs up so much, giving the car a ponderous feel.
The tach and speedo are buried in two deep bowls, and it's difficult to get a quick sweep of them because they are separated too far apart. GTO's much easier to read.
It occurred to me that renting a GTO would be a very difficult thing to do. Having to suffer with a V6 and cloth seats is an indignity a GTO owner will never suffer.
It's easy to see why Ford is able to sell these so cheaply. In fact, I got the impression they're making a nice margin on them.
Didn't give me an "gotta to have factor"
I always enjoy hearing things like this. When has a manufacturer NOT sold every vehicle it can build? EVER?
Mine is black - much more sedate looking but then it's a blast when you get blow some beemer's (or Mustang's) doors off at a red light.
Enjoy your car!
Pontiac did NOT sell all the 2004 GTO's it built yet! There are still some new lingering around
For such an un-assuming car, it sure does turn some heads. Furthermore, I have taken the GTO down to various shows, "cruise-nights" parked it there and it has gotten as many if not more looks than the C6 and other vettes. People want to sit in them and when they find out that it has the LS2 they really seem to take to the car I have also gotten many people saying "nice car" as well. It stands out more then certain Mustang owners think.
A guy next to me had the NON-supercharged Saleen and said he paid nearly $45k with dealer markup, that guy got taken for RIDE! It' only has 10 or 20 more hp then regular GT in non S/C form?
I hope he got gold plated door panels and jar of vaseline for that deal.
I wonder what the Saleen's top speed is?