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Ford Mustang (2005) vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO
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Even though a lot more Mustangs are on the roads than GTOs, the GTOs are still not as noticeable. Whenever I do see a GTO, I have to look really hard; "is that a GTO?" But when you see a Mustang at any distance from any angle, it is instantly recognizeable. I bet many people don't even notice the GTO as being different from a 1998 Grand Prix, but everyone knows the Mustang.
Why argue the greatness of owning a limited-production car if, instead of having limited-production styling, it doesn't do much to stand out from the crowd?
Mustang '05 wins with its muscle
Ford recently announced that to meet consumer demand for the 2005 Ford Mustang, it will take production to more than 192,000 units in 2005 - an increase of more than 58 percent, or 80,000 units, from the previous year.
Ford will meet consumer demand for the 2005 Mustang.
"The 2005 Ford Mustang, with its legendary heritage and retro look is among the hottest cars in the industry! Its performance on the street and in the showrooms is beating everyone's expectations.
"The 2005 Mustang demand is so strong that most of our production between now and the end of 2005 model year (October 2005) is already committed. In addition to increased, demand fuelled production, the all-new 2005 Ford Mustang GT has been given the well deserved status of best American Muscle Car of the year by internationally reputed car magazine - Car and Driver.
The first truly new Mustang in 26 years, performed exceptionally on its numerous road tests conducted by 15 motoring journalists with over 20 years of experience and demonstrated high value thereby gracefully the winning spot on the list of 10 best cars of the year according to Car and Driver."Mustang's rich performance heritage and distinct styling have made it America's top-selling sports car for 17 years straight and with the all-new 2005 model, we expect this will be the best sales year for the Mustang since 1994. The original pony car keeps getting better and is capturing consumers' hearts once again. Sorry gto,not this time!!!! LOL
Putting in amber foglights sounds rather clever or sensible. Amber is very illuminating. All the street lights around here have been replaced with amber lights which are sulfur vapor I believe. If they look good with your paintjob then it sounds like a win win.
LOL
"Hey is that a Grand Prix? ....no, I mean a G6?...no, I mean a Grand Am?. ...aww, heck .....is that a new GM car?
:-)
Hey, and it's got a Corvette engine in it....how original....shoehorn the biggest engine you can find into the engine bay and sell it.
Gotta hand it to GM for spending all those late nights in the engineering department.
Sure, the same can attempted to be said about the new Mustang. (no engineering went into it because they copied an old design), but deep down beneath the outer shell is an entirely new beast. (Except I hope they are still using the Fram PH8A oil filter..)
Hat's off to Ford for bringing back an icon and doing such a great job with it.
Ok, having said that...I'm just enjoying the fact that there is even a thread called Mustang vs GTO
....how cool is that!! ......just like the old days
maybe Ford will shoehorn in a 429 Boss and then we can REALLY start to chat!
:-)
As for the Car and Driver Mustang Vs GTO comparo, the Mustang Only beat the GTO by 1 point, 211 to 210, could have gone either way. Mustang only won because of the got to have factor which gave C&D a lot of negative letters. GTO won most of the performance categories. I believe it was 128 PRO GTO to 2 Pro mustang over that comparo in terms of letters C&D got back. I wouldn't consider C&D to be internationally reputed. They are very biased on advertisers and foreign/Japanese cars.
Everywhere I go, people stare at my GTO. I have gotten many questions/compliments at traffic lights etc or when I park at store etc. All the car shows/cruise nights I visit I get just as many people checking out my GTO and asking me questions as the 2005 Mustang guys. It stands out better then some think. I get along with the mustang guys quite well. We have mutual respect for each other's cars. They are both great cars.
Dissappointment in the Shelby GT500 The car was designed for an IRS - there were prototypes of it running around. And all the early Shelby prototypes were running around on one as well (pics exist). It's only at the last moment that it was removed for the cheaper "hundred year old" alternative by the bean counters at Ford.
Regardless, an IRS was planned right from the start for this platform, engineered, and only cancelled (or put off?) at the last moment.
Minimum price of $40k to $45k range, Gas guzzler fee and HUGE dealer markups.
Rather have $25k Stang with V8.
Yes, GM mass produces cars. Afterall, it is the largest automobile company. They tend to be a little more upscale than Ford though. I think though, that GM might be heading in the wrong direction. For instance, in last Sunday's paper, out of two local GM dealers, only one even bothered to advertise. And aside from used cars, it only advertised four models, and they were all Yukons. What on earth can they be thinking? If GM doesn't start getting it right then it could lose out to Toyota which is definitely guning for GM. Ford would have to have a dozen 'homeruns' like the Mustang to catch up to GM. Unfortunately, that may not have to happen if GM keeps stumbling.
You stepped out of line with this statement from your next post. "Shelby Mustang will take care of the Vette next year". You don't even have the name right. It's Shelby Cobra Mustang. Which sounds like an identity crisis to me. Is it a Shelby, is it a Cobra? Let's see how many icons from the past we can attach to this Mustang to give it some legitimacy. Oh year, and lets add some stripes to make sure people make the connection. My suggestion is to call it the Shelby Cobra Mustang GT500 2+2. You gotta let people know its a fastback. And it looks worse on paper. While the Corvette got even lighter, the Mustang put on more than a few pounds. The weight advantage the vette enjoys with the Mustang is way more than the advantage the Mustang has with the GTO. And that solid rear axle has to hurt performance. Maybe it doesn't with the GT but with the added weight and hp of the GT500 it will. In the old days the Shelbys and the Cobras had it all over the vettes. (Shelby Cobra, I guess with two different design teams there was bound to be problems.) But not this time. Sorry Mustang, this time you lose.
2006 Z06 Vette will have 505 hp and weighing about 3100 lbs and a near 50/50 weight distribution.
2006 Shelby Cobra will have 450hp and weigh 3600 to 3700 lbs and have 58/42 weight distribution, extra 350lbs added weight in front.
The only advantage is that the Shelby Cobra will cost less then Z06, unless Dealers really mark it up which they probably will. But you get what you pay for.
Vette is normally aspirated, GT500 relies on a blower. Add a blower to Vette then.
It's always been my hope that even though I chose the Mustang GT over the GTO, that the GTO would continue to evelove into a competitor. While, like most here, I hold out hope that future GTOs are on GM's roadmap, they have some more pressing issues to resolve.
Good old competition between the Mustang GT and GTO could do nothing more than make both become better cars in the future.
The 5.4 is about 50 cubes bigger than the 4.6 . The supercharger with all the extra parts is maybe 70-80 lbs. Maybe.
I'm confused.
If a 4.6 weighs 400 lbs complete, ( I have no idea) , that would be an amazingly light package. If you add 350 lbs to it, that would be basically the same as a cast iron 427 FE big block from the sixties (A real heavyweight) or about the same as my Powerstroke.
This just can't be right.
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What am I missing?
http://www.gmfleet.com/us/acquiring...Truck_Guide.pdf
Only 3 minor changes and 2 new colors for 2006 GTO. They are getting rid of Yellow and Midnight Blue and replacing that with Spice Red and Brazen Orange
2006 FORD SHELBY COBRA GT500
ON SALE: June 2006
BASE PRICE: $39,000 (est.)
POWERTRAIN: 5.4-liter, 450-plus-hp, 450-plus-lb-ft supercharged V8; rwd, six-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3600 lbs (est.)
0 to 60 MPH: 4.5 seconds (est.)
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102047
Comment: I just watched a 2hour show on SPEED TV on this years SEMA.I have to say FORD has stopped sleepin.THe new FORD Mustang GT is perfect i cant wait to see the final sales between the two.To bad the Pontiac GTO is not like the original ,its just a Holden Monaro (AUSSIE),Vauxhall/OPEL Monaro (europe) rebaged with the Pontiac label.Back to the MUSTANG GT, ITS ALLL THAT AND MORE:GAME OVER!!! MUSTANG KEEPS ON WINNING ,EVEN AT THE RACE TRACK TOOK SPOTS 1-2-3 AT GRAND AM RACING,AND AT DAYTONA!!!
Preliminary 0-60 numbers on Shelby is 4.5 seconds. That is slower then the stock 400hp vette! It isn't much faster then stock GTO. We'll have to wait for a full car review on it with numbers to know for sure.
Can't wait to drive one when it comes out.
You are right, thankgod this 2004-2005 GTO isn't like the original 1960's/1970's with it's bad handling and poor brakes n comparison to newer cars. The 2005 GTO is the MOST POWERFULL GTO ever made. No GTO ever had stock 400hp from the factory before.
I'm glad we have choices, not everyone wants a Retro Ugly Mustang with a useless backseat and the aereodynmaics of a brick. About a .35 CD. Mustang has a lot more build/quality issues then GTO, go to Mustang Problems forum. Nice looking car on the back of a flatbed.
We all know that GTO beat Mustang in Car and Driver where it counts, peformance, interior etc, C&D gave the Stang the 1 point win, 211 to 210 for Got to have. How lame was that? They got hit with a lot of negative letters over that one, the most in their history.
JD Power said GTO was most appealing Sporty car, NOT the Mustang, Consumer guide picked GTO over Mustang too. Whatever. Thats them, not me.
What's your source for the Mustang GT's weight?
That is the source that said 3600 pounds Estimated
I truley believe, and have evidence to support, that, Ford has for many years tried it's best in most cases to over build and to err on the side of reliability, not always, but I think Ford's record in this regard over the last 10 - 15 years is much better than G.M.'s or Mopar.
Sometimes dull cars do sell very well... look at the Camry/Accords/civics of the world that are dull looking, and they are among the best selling cars. The F150 truck is best selling vehicle 20+ yrs in a row now and is just avg looking.
Interesting you mention this. I actually test drove one of the first 04 GTOs in my area in January 04. It was a black 6-speed. I really liked it. But then the 300C came out, and now we have the SRT-8. I have almost completely lost interest in the GTO because the SRT-8 is as fast or faster, handles better, stops better, looks awesome, and is a BIG SEDAN (which is big points for me, personally). However, I have been a GM guy and I expect people will tire of the mustang's relentless presence in the coming years (especially the V6/auto models). I prefer exclusivity (certainly the SRT-8 has that, though the 300 as a general model is going to be as common as Mustangs...), a la Grand National and Impala SS.
Bottom line, I guess, is that if I could afford $33k to spend on a new car, it would be an 06 300C, not an 05 GTO. But I'd take a GTO over a Mustang, for sure.
I agree here. I was interested in the GTO not because of the name or the legacy (I don't typically get wrapped up in that crap), but because it was a real high quality car with a killer Gen-III V8 (amazing aftermarket support), IRS, nice interior, etc. Probably should have been Grand Prix Coupe or something. I dunno. The fact that it's 'GTO' automatically solicits a given amount of press/discussion/criticism...
So did I. And something is very wrong with that run. He got a 13.69 @ 97. Anybody who knows anything about the relationship between ET and trap speed would flag that run in an instant. Short of letting off the gas at the end of the track, I'd say something was wrong with the equipment. Anybody have a clue?
OT, but NONE (stock, from the factory anyway). Every single loud, obnoxious Harley you have ever seen, or will ever see, has been "modified" by the oh-so-proud owner to be loud and obnoxious.
I was thinking the EXACT same thing before I read your post, then you posted it! So I just had to reply...
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The really funny thing is, I was at work when they actually bought- and the 2004 they were looking at had the "shaker 1000" audio system option. I don't know if you have ever seen this system, but it takes up the whole trunk, you can't even get a medium size bag back there. They never opened the trunk until after they bought it (they said they thought all that bass was coming from the rear deck speakers)... So now the fiancee wants to pull all of that stuff out and try to sell it... Sigh... At least she wants to put the money into upgrading the exhaust.