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But how about Chicago? $22996...
http://www.carmax.com/dyn/factsheet/factsheet.aspx?id=4059336
The point is that the vehicles can be had. Fitz and CarMax aren't neccesarily the lowest price, either--sometimes you can do better at your local dealer. For my Camry, I couldn't, but when I bought my Maxx, I beat Fitzmall by over $1,000.
I'm just tired of lazy "those cars can't be had for under $25k," etc etc argument. I hear that constantly about the Camry and the Accord V6, and both of them can be had for under $25, easily.
People buying a Camry aren't likely those interested in mainly performance/handling. For performance/handling, there are better choices in a sedan than the Fusion. :P
And when the 2008 Accord comes out - everything else will be toast! :sick:
I'm sure the new Accord will be a hit - but aren't you just a LITTLE premature (9 months or so) with this assertion?
BTW - who will win the Florida/Ohio State game?
I just recently purchased a 2006 Honda Si Coupe and I think coming out of it and jumping in the Altima wasn't really fair to the Altima. I think I'll drive my 99 VW Passat for part of a day then drive over and take an Altima for a spin - that will probably lessen the feeling that I've gotten out of a go-cart with hyper reflexes and jumped into an RV :-) I was having a hard time reconciling my own test drive of the new Altima with the C&D review comments so I think the Civic's handling probably colored my impression of the Altima significantly.
I have driven both the GT w/ a manual tranny and the non turbo w/ the auto. The gt was very impressive. lots of grip, good steering, and pretty quick turn in. keep the tranny in the right gear, and accelerating out of corners was amazing. by far the best experience I've had in all the cars I've driven in terms of how it handled coming out of corners.
the non-turbo model was pretty good for a 4 banger. I've had a subaru with the 2.5 before, and they have pretty good low end pull. of course awd helps keep the power to the road. but then awd will leech at least 20HP and the auto was probably robbing another 20 so it was passable but not a visceral driving experience like the GT. and gas mileage w/ that 2.5 was not great...and it asks for premium.
I really like subarus...they are a little soft compared to the mazda6, but still handle great. wish their brakes were better though. some people say they are small, but I think they are quite adequate. for people who live in bad climates, the non turbo would be a good choice.
except that many people on this forum who don't own the mazda6 still say that it's one of the best looking cars in this class right now. despite it's age, it's still one of the best handling cars in this class without having a harsh ride.
the one thing that I think is looking a bit dated on the mazda6 are the taillights. but now that they have the black taillights instead of the red ones, it will buy them a bit of time until the new 6 comes out.
but exterior styling wise, it still looks good and I get compliments quite frequently from total strangers.
I'd have to agree though that I like the accord's interior better... it just seems to have more flow and balance. but a major improvement for the sonata.
Malibu:
LS:
I don't see any resemblance...
However, these I do:
Malibu:
TL:
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I don't think so, I believe TL's roofline and window shape are pretty original, until this new Malibu came along that is...
The only other car I can think of that has the similar upper body shape is the Avalon:
However, Avalon's trunk shape (from the side) is very different than TL's, unlike the new Malibu.
The Camry, Avalon, and ES Toyota model all have the same basic style and underpinnings look with sheetmetal changes to vary the overall effect some. Same basic car.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
As for cars all looking alike? Well of course they don't, yet most are not special enough in looks to standout. If you have a CTS or a Jaguar XJ8, it will not be mistaken as another auto. Now the world awaits the New Accord -- will it be a radical, and/or beautiful car?
-Loren
Does anyone have any thoughts of there experience owning a 4 or 6 cylinder and the price you paid. Would you do it again?
Thanks! I promise I will let all of you know what I get soon! This has been a 3 month process. Its been stressing me out! These boards are very helpful though
No.
One tax will probably offset another tax for the dealership. You'll never know the dealer's positions tax-wise anyway bro. That's an old tale.
And altho you may get a slightly better deal at the end of the year, there will be MANY people doing the same thing as you! Wanting to buy the last day of the year to get the supposedly 'best deal ever'. The dealers aren't stupid. They know you're in the buying mode which will put them at an advantage knowing you WANT TO LEAVE WITH A NEW CAR! They're not gonna give it away! Believe me.
I've done it. Bought last December 31'st. The dealership was packed with buyers. So yea- you'll probably get a good deal, but nothing better than any other day. In fact you may get a better deal on the slow Tuesday or Wednesday after New Years Day cause the dealership will be DEAD!
Don't let your enthusiasm to buy a new car cost you some money. Good luck.
You're having a hard time finding an SE V-6 because of the lease deals that are available for it right now till the end of the year. The SE V-6 is also an '07 addition, so there are no '06 leftovers to be had. The extras are nice but the SE V-6 is like the best value out there to be had, its not a lot more expensive than the SE 4.
I didn't test out the 4... but the 6 is a nice engine. V6 engines have a ton of torque that 4s are lacking, so its easy to pick up speed effortlessly while a 4 might have to be worked harder. But you'll be saving on gas with the 4. My dealer found me an '07 SE V-6... they couldn't get my exact color choice but since its a lease I wasn't being too picky (just did not want anything with beige inside).
Ask your dealers if they could do a swap and get you the SE V-6 if you want that... it might take a few days but they might be able to find one.
I remember those days.......
If it was me I wouldn't put any money down. Finance the whole thing, but that's just me. I'd put my money into something that will leverage my earnings, like advertising for my business.
At 25 YMMV, but I could care less about the 'equity' in my car (probably cause I have none). But if your payoff = the value of your car if you sold it you can get out of it without taking a hit. And a Honda will allow you do do that.
You mean paying a tax for being unsuccessful? Now that's some backwards economics. Ask them what kind of "tax" they're talking about.
I think this depends on the state the dealer operates in, but I don't think many states have an inventory tax. If there is such a tax in your state (what state are you in?), the dealer is, and has been, well aware of it, has operated for years with it, and more than likely just passes it along to its customers in its pricing, cause they're gonna carry inventory over to the next year. Plus its a deductible expense to them, which lessens it's carry thru impact to you.
To me its just smoke and mirrors. There are countless ways a dealer makes, and spends money. I'd bet this inventory tax, if it exists, is immaterial to the countless other expenses the dealer incurs every other day or month of the year.
Bust the dealer's chops. Ask how much the tax is and craft your deal that much lower. They brought it up.
Don't look too eager to buy. Good luck and Happy New Year.
Take the 4-cy and save yourself some money. The V6 isn't worth it.
I'm not aware of an "end of the year" issue though.
Yes, obviously if you option up a Camry that far, it will get up there. But it will also be nearly identical to a Lexus ES350, which costs a lot more than the Camry. However, the Camry LE V6 still comes with an acceptable level of standard equipment for most people, and with an excellent V6. I should point out also that the Camry V6 won the Edmunds comparo, even against the Accord.
You can't go wrong with either the 4 cyl or 6. But if you can afford the 6, why not? The fuel economy difference is actually not great at all...
When searching for a new/used/"CPO" car, the best place to check is Autotrader.com. It helped me find my car and could take some of the stress off of you!
For the amount you're looking for, you can find a great deal on a CPO/Used acura Tl if you want a v6 accord ot TSX if you want a 4cyl. But again thats just me.
HOPE THIS HELPS!
-Cj
I think you're putting too much emphasis on the little gimics dealers throw at you to make you think you have to buy NOW. I have a quota in my business too. I need to make a million dollars by the end of the year. Will I?
Forget about all these sales facades. Start with emailing the dealers in your area for pricing, check Edmunds and other car pricing sites to see what others are paying and that will determine your pricing goals.
Then offer $500 less and keep your mouth shut. Be willing to walk away to the next dealer and you'll likely end up with a decent deal. Or you might just cave in like most people and pay what the dealer says you'll have to. They'll feed you "our great service department" BS.
Forget the dealer's service department. That's why you're buying an Accord (I imagine).
1) 2007 Accord SE Sedan - 4 Cylinder
Honda's MSRP: $22,220
Our Internet Price: $19,832
Colors Available: Taffeta White, Cool Blue, Nighthawk
Black, Royal Blue, Graphite Pearl, Moroccan Red, and Alabaster Silver.
2) 2007 Accord SE Sedan - 6 Cylinder
Honda's MSRP: $23,945
Our Internet Price: $21,401
Colors Available: Royal Blue and Graphite Pearl
For my own state it does not exist and when it did the key date was May 1:
The Wisconsin Automobile Trades Association was formed statewide to eliminate the personal property tax on automobiles and on dealer inventory. The tax was killing car sales in the months prior to the annual May first assessment date. By 1934 the dealers' proposal to offset the loss of revenue by repealing the personal property tax with an increase of one cent to the gas tax was accepted by the legislature.
from: http://www.watda.org/WATDA/Public/About.asp
My experience was that the internet price was about as low as they are gonna go, but that you can get some freebies thrown it, like the protection package (HD floor mats and trunk liner) splash guards, pin striping etc if you push them for a lower price, then revert to accessories instead when they don't budge on the price.
I know its kinda hard to try to go real low with the dealer when you know you're probably gonna buy the car, especially if there aren't a whole lot of them on the lot remaining. But it looks like you're gonna do just fine.
It's about as quick in city trsaffic this way as the 6 with automatic, more fun to drive, and loads cheaper.
I'd get this:
http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=91107&acode=USB70HOC011A0&restor- - - e=false
Select manual transmission.
$16,985
It needs three things though to essentially be the LX.
1: add in the rear swaybar - simple task at any auto shop - few hundred dollars. OR get it done when you take delivery.
2: add in two rear speakers. $40 - snap right in - Kenwood 5*7s.
3: alloy wheel - optional if you want. Same weight as the steel wheels, actually - so it's only for looks.
Add in #1 and #2 and you essentially have the LX. Blue is the best color because it's the same look, other than the black door handles(not noticeable with dark blue) as the pricier models.
LOADS CHEAPER. Same engine and suspension. And for a first car, saving money is what it's about, afterall. And it's WAY WAY better than a GM or Ford sedan of the same price.
The SE (either 4 or 6) is the best value trim level IMO - you get the best essentials (rear drums do nothing to stop a car, had that before). And yes you could engine brake with the manual to help but that places more stress on the transmission/engine instead.
1: add in the rear swaybar - simple task at any auto shop - few hundred dollars. OR get it done when you take delivery.
2: add in two rear speakers. $40 - snap right in - Kenwood 5*7s.
3: alloy wheel - optional if you want. Same weight as the steel wheels, actually - so it's only for looks.
The rear also has drum brakes, not a super big deal but harder to change than discs. The rear brakes don't do a whole lot anyway.
Is the base stereo prepped for 4 speakers? If you don't have 4 channels coming out, you need to change the head unit which is kind of pricey because of the way its integrated into the dash.
Alloy wheels are typically lighter than steel with a hubcap, but the real issue is they are pizza tins. The car is a lot more fun with a little more rubber on the road and more aggressive.