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Accord auto V6 EX Sedan: $27,850
The above prices include $550 destination charge.
This hp issue IS NOT the same as Hyundais or Mazdas was a couple years ago.
This hp issues is due to SAE changing their testing proceedures.
http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=103018
Car..................Number of cars sold
CAMRY...........39,896
ACCORD.........46,153 + 2,336 Hybrid
A whopping 2 mpg difference. At least according to CR in this test, Accord Hybrids are a terrible deal from a financial point of view.
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/content/display_report.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=77276- 7&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=389451&bmUID=1126202577941
Yeah, but at least the Accord hybrids will carry about a $5,000.00 penalty when the traction batteries eventually have to be replaced... (Even if those batteries are still covered under a warranty, if they're prorated on the basis of mileage received against an inflated "warranty adjustment" price sheet, at that point, "terrible" still instantly deteriorates to "disastrous".)
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/3754.html
The new Passat should do well, but hasn't been tested yet.
The 2004 Accord got 4/5 for Side
The 2005 Accord got 4/4 for Side
The 2004 was not equipped with SAB
The 2005 was equipped with SAB
2004 Crash Test
2005 Crash Test
Can someone explain to me why the 2005 got a lower rating then the 2004? Maybe cars w/o SABs are rated differently?
Did 2005 Toyota Camry only has NHTSA 4 Star side impact crash test rating for 2005 , hard to believe but, how can I verify this ?
and what does a 4 star crash test rating mean for my safety?
Also, the Camry got a 4 star for the front passenger and 3 stars for the rear passenger in the side test. It was also not equipped with Side Airbags/Side Curtain Airbags.
5 stars= 5% or less chance of serious injury
4 stars= 6% to 10% chance of serious injury
3 stars= 11% to 20% chance of serious injury
This Site tells you how NHTSA rates their cars
The Camry got a Poor from IIHS when it was not equipped with Side Curtain Airbags.
But, it got a Good when it was equipped with optional Side Airbags.
IIHS crash test results
I am 6 3 and 33 inseam
Requirements
ABS/TCS,
5 speed,
Moonroof
20k max - OTD[ 5% Tax + TL]
i test drove the following
Altima : rought engine and the 5 speed was decent but no abs [i am not sure why nissan thinks a car can be sold without anything if choosen as a 5 speed
or ofcourse get the 27k SER for every thing ....
Sonata 5 speed: The LX is assembled in korea and man the clutch pedal is freaking close to the brake and gave me a sore ankle
Accord ; Found 2 5 speed sedans in gold LX....i liked it alot and was a fun ride...
i need to add a sunroof for 1100$ after buying to make it the way i want it ...
came to 22k .[i was about to get it]
Camry : I did not like the way it accelerated so accord was up their now.
Now last year i took part in the mazda rev--it and did drive a mazda 6 wagon so stopped at a local dealr
18,600 for a 5 speed mazda with sports package ,moonroof ,bose 6 cd changer.
TCS/ABS and eletronic brake assit.
Then found the 03-04 mazda 6 had the new design bugs sorted out so went ahead and got ot
otd - 20,500 with LoJack ...and 5 % tax
The 5 speed of the accord was better and interior space but mazda hugs the ground in turns like no ones business....
Some Mazda6 Sport models are going for prices below the Mazda3!!!!
Wow, you are really biased . . .
Test drive a Honda I4 and then test the Hyundai V6...no discernable difference in acceleration
. . . and this assertion seems ridiculous. I'm wondering if you really did this proposed test yourself.
Mazda 6 are fun and sporty, but they don't get close to the EPA rated gas mileage. It might not be of concern to you, but to many it is becuase of high gas prices.
MidCow
Well... it can be; I did it ('05 Accord EX I4 to '06 Sonata GLS I4); and the Sonata came out very well in comparison to the Accord. Have you driven both cars, comparably equipped, back-to-back over the same roads as I did?
I own a 04 AT Mazda6 wagon and have put more than 11K miles. My commute is 70/30 Hwy/City driving and I get close to 26 mpg. EPA: 19 city/26 hwy. I live in Minnesota, during winter I avarage around 22-23, but for the last 4 months I have been consistently getting above 25. Recently I had also been on a 600 mile long trip and averaged 29+, 95% hwy, 70 mph and cruise on, I was surprised to see that number.
This one replaced my 95 Camry, Mazda6 is truly fun to drive (will never go back to camry again) and I knew when I bought the car that I would not get more than 26 for my regular commute. So far no complaints. Yes, it would had been nice if it gave couple more miles.
You are correct, CR purchases the vehicles from dealers whereas the car mags have them supplied by the manufacturers. I don't believe there's is any payola going on but I'm sure the manufacturers supply vehicles that are gone over with a fine tooth comb and meet or exceed all factory specs. Makes you wonder about the recent electronic failures in the BMW C&D tested.
It is 2006 Kia Optima...expected in another 4 months.
What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Sedan, Auto News, Opinion, Car Photos, Car Reviews
You are probably right. There is a similar thread, Edmund's has so many threads, on economy cars in the range $16-20K and they don't want you to discuss cars in the range of $16-20K only those few that were listed in the title thread :confuse: .
There was also a thread comparing three cars, and when some talk about only one car it is okay, but when others do it is moved :confuse:
But you are right the new Kia Optima probably fits into Mid-sized sedans. It also looks like Kia is moving into the competion
How close are you to buying a new car and what is your short list?
Cheers,
MidCow
Supposed to drive like a 6, but much roomier.
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Anyhow, as of now, the Accord is the top contender. I refuse to own a Camry (way to isloated and spongy for my taste). The 6 is nice, but I don't find the seats very comfortable (I'm very particular about seats), although the deals are good.
I mentioned the Fusion because I plan to look at it as soon as it finally shows up. I'm hoping it is as advertised (offering the drving dynamics of the 6, but with more room in the back seat, and more comfortable front seats). Pricing seems aggressive, assuming there are some discounts.
If the Fusion tested out as nicely as the Accord (my test, that is), it would be hard to ignore a price differential of +/- 3K.
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Thanks, I asked because you always have good input and analysis.
YMMV,
MidCow
Maybe you'll prefer it or maybe you won't. You could save a lot compared to the Acord or you could get a more deluxe trim for the same type of money. Have you seen the comparision, I think it was C &D, of the '06 Sonata, '05 Accord & "05 Camry? In the $22K price range they rated the Sonata the best.
I believe it was Edmunds who did the comparison. C&D hasn't came out with a comparison yet between the 3 (from what I know) My prediction is they will come out with a comparison in 2006/07 since there are so many new sedans coming out.
But, all the test I have seen have been of the V6. I drive a stick, so that leaves me at a 4 cyl / 5 speed.
the Sonata also tends to be higher rated because they compare similar priced models, not equipment. So, the V6 Sonata was going against a 4 cyl in the other cars.
Of note, the CamCord does get much better mileage. In the comparison, the Accord averaged 27, and the Hyundai 20. The performance isn't that much different either.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I read alot of people saying that the comparison should have been with equal configured car and was wondering the price difference between a equal equiped
accord and sonata is 4k -5k and considering the same progression
a acura tl ,lexus is300 ,bmw 3 series ,accord is 4k can we include them in a midsize comparision if they have compariable equipment?
In fact, some of these differing-class vehicles ARE being compared one-to-one - take a look at the list on this board (Comparisons) - but we are not going to do it in a multi-vehicle match-up.
I think if you use the Browse by Vehicle search on the left to look up the vehicles you find of interest, you'll be able to locate lots of discussions that will suit your interests. That way you won't have to keep trying to rearrange conversations that are already underway. If you can't find what you need and/or if you have any questions, email me. Thanks.
But, my point was that accord v6 loaded with everything does not belong in this discussion and most people i know including me shop in a price range than
option in different cars with different price
No thread hijacking ....i was trying to make a point that price is an important and most case only citeria so the edmunds comparision actually makes sense to me
when i was shopping for 20 k car the 22k accord was suggested a few times
but for me it was not a item to compare,i used a 5 speed LX not the DX which had everything i need except the price
Just check the "What is this discussion about?" about line (or, more easily seen, the price quote and consumer review links) at the top of the discussion to find out on what vehicles the discussion is primarily focused.
And again, if you have any questions or can't find what works for you, just drop me an email.
Thanks.
option in different cars with different price
So, what your saying is, a loaded Accord does not belong in this discussion?
I'm still quite confused as to what your saying.
People who shop for the Accord EX V6 will most likely cross-shop it will the Nissan Altima 3.5SE, Camry SE/XLE V6, and Hyundai Sonata LX V6. And in some cases, the Acura TL or G35.
So, a loaded V6 Sonata vs. an LX Accord 4 cyl, may be the same price. Or, do you compare it to an EX V6, which costs a lot more.
Or, he could have had a completely different point, but I still like this one!
Actually works on the bottom and top end. That loaded Accord creeps into TL territory (price and equipment), while a lower end car (or Korean brand) might compete with compacts like the CIvic on price.
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