Suzuki Grand Vitara 2006 through 2008

budman3 · June 2006

"I think anyone researching to buy a GV is intelligent to take the criticism in the context of all the other information."

I agree, but your key word is "buy".
To constantly give the GV a bad rap doesn't prove any intelligence or useful research if it's only negative.
Is the GV perfect? No. I hope they make some changes, but for now, it works just fine and maybe in a couple years I'll buy another one with all the improvements.

campdrafty · June 2006

Just bought an '06 Luxury GV - this is my third Suzuki, having owned a '95 Sidekick and an '00 GV. The Sidekick was a rough rider, and the '00 GV was much better. Noticed right away that the ride our new GV was extremely bumpy. Thanks to an earlier posting to check tire pressure, we did and found out that the two front tires were measuring approx 50 lbs pressure, and the two back were about 44 lb each. My husband called the mechanic at the dealer, who said he's comfortable at about 41 all round, so we set each at 40 lb - ride is now so much better (could probably go down more yet). My husband called the dealer and let him know about the pressure - it should be standard practice when they prep a new vehicle to check tire pressure before the customer drives it off the lot. Other than the issue with tire pressure, we're extremely happy with this vehicle - we got a great deal and dealer was excellent to work with.

norwoodsmn · June 2006

God luv ya campdrafty!, at last a [fellow] poster with a long time Suzuki ownership perspective! Are we really the only ones out there? Re: Bumpy ride, try 32-36lbs in those tires. Zuke shocks are, as you may recall from past "rigs"?, lacking in sophistication/durability, especially if you're out there in the Outback "givin 'er" with all but the kitchen sink onboard, (take note xostnot, and hi again). For instance, we replaced our Sidekick shocks fairly early on with aftermarket ones, and they reamain out there on "Rusty" even today as he nears his 200,000 MILE birthday.

Ditto the Suzuki Esteem wagon. The blog site for same recommends KYB shocks which are available to we Canucks via US mail order sources. I need them NOW. So, replace your new ones on your new GV's with upscale aftermarket ones?, of course not. But just another attempt here to advise all who might be interested in knowing, there's ample room for the maturation of Suzuki's offerings, in a number of areas. But is it a "SIN" to say so, here on this site?

Totally negative on the new GV?, nothing could be farther from the truth. It reamains a quantum leap forward for the brand. Yet, as I've stated before, by raising the bar so high [themselves] with this new model, owners' expectations, (expecially we long time owners' expectations), re: features and quality issues, likewise has every reason to move FAR up the scale as well... Got it Bud?

As an esoteric, likely fruitless excercise, to try to understand Bud3's perspective, I'd have to take myself all the way back to my Whistler days with the Samurai, (1988). Incidentally, dinner on the restaurant patio atop the Gondola, was great/spectacular this past Monday evening! Good to revisit our 2010 Winter Olympics venue locale, and test neighborhood for the new GV! Sorry to digress. I guess I'd have to go back to when Consumer Reports (was it?) mounted those 40 or 80? pound weights on the end of long outriggers attached to the sides of the Samurai, to help "prove" it was susceptible to rollovers, to recall as being so upset at anyone criticizing my beloved Zuke of the day, as Bud seems to be now when I say something he finds [personally] "disparaging" about HIS new GV. LORD dude, rub mesquite bush on you're skin there twice a day, maybe it might thicken it up a bit?! But so few people had a Zuke back then, that I thought why even bother explaining that, well, "it", (Sammy), also could get you up right onto the side of the volcanic cone of Mount Garibaldi there at Whistler, (in 4wd, low range 1st, with it's 5 speed manual box), and really, that that was what the little bugger was designed for. So ya, I WAS PO'ED, (deeply), that anyone would criticize my [personal] choice to have bought that particular model. But it didn't go quite so far as "Bud's" level of misunderstanding as to what lies at the root of some items on my personal "wish list" for the new GV. So a quid pro quo, proprietary interest in Suzuki's [here],
(do I have that feeling?), and what I want [from them] NOW in return for retention my long time brand loyalty, are those items loomin' large on my personal radar screen?.... Ya got it mates, and I make no apologies for same, (even to you, Budman3), just kidding of course, as so many times you've reconfirmed we'll never ever see eye to eye on certain points. Again ones seemingly attacking your personal credibility, since you've bought one, while I of course who haven't [yet] therefore have little business even presuming to bang the keys here on this site, right? Sorry, [almost], you just don't get it Bud, and never will.

But I've belabored alot of dark horse points here, (like the preceeding), it seems. Soul searchin' really, trying to understand where Suzuki wants to take us on down the road [together] with it's one remaining OR capable 4wd product, (sold here in North America), the new GV.... To me, it reamains true, the world can potentially be Zuke's proverbial Oyster, should it show a willingness to begin to embrace, for instance, CONCEPTS GREEN in future products development process. Instead, (to me), where did on hell of alot of their, (our), money go concurrent with the intro of the new GV? What about all those concept idea vehicles? Just what did that cost, and what pray tell my buds, did any of that have to do with the [once] true mission of these vehicles, namely performance in all conditions out there in our respective "Outbacks"? I resent that, and I further resent, (and am worried by), this aparent demphasis of the OR 4wd performance abilities of the new GV, vs. this incongruous "tuner crowd" marketing glitz. You too? I hope so. Quirks with Zukes?, you bet, but we still love them. It's just that "in this day and age" we need to demand more, not the least of which being MORE from our fave auto maker of choice.

So I remain, hopefully not TOO un-intelligently awaiting further developments along with EVERYONE else on this site, it seems, to see what's up Suzuki's sleeves next for it's 4wd SUV, the new GV. But on the other hand, if a majority of folks choose to just sit on 'em, raise the flag on high and therreby fail to demand MORE, well get used to what you've got, long term, as with those new model sales figures, from one perspective, why should Suzuki do ANYTHING at all to expedite the evoloution of this [mostly] fine new model?

A squeaky wheel here, you got it Bud....

Norwoodsmn.

budman3 · June 2006

Norwoodsmn,You win. Friends? Bud

norwoodsmn · June 2006

Of course!, now we've reaffirmed we're here for the same reason, (we dig 'em)! Fair dinkum down there in Aus too, eh?

At the risk of [over] "lightening up", let me add I'm still waiting to see someone do a Lo-rider version. All together now: "All my friends own a lo-rider...." Why not for a bit of levity, some one must have done one, Suzuki? Back to you there on Palm Boulevard, (if you're still putting up with "us"?), I always liked those shots of your "rig" too. Still yet again, whereforeartthou oh Zuke, re: one for we backwoods types? Seems only yesterday we used to count for something, (in numbers there on your balance sheet), don't we AT ALL anymore?????

Sure, those Zuke concept rigs look fun, but oh Lord what I and many of us wouldn't have given to have seen all those copious AD gimick bucks plowed instead into other areas like further initial product development/refinement for the new GV. If you agree, and seriously want to do it in the dirt like many of us?, hey, let's all keep fighting the good fight here, [together] and stand up to be counted. We all should benefit on down the road.

Again Suzuki, get real Please pay some due respect to your roots on this side of the pond, (historic customer base), and give we hard core types back a stock basic bush beater model option, (skid plates availability, etc.), and make it literally and figuratively "Green" while you're at it, eh? Even this woodlands troll couldn't [non-permissible content removed] then.

Cheers, nwdsmn.

rszabo · June 2006

G'day all from Australia. Trust you are all well. Our new Suzuki Grand Vitara 4WD V6 rides like a dream. It floats over bumps, corrugations, indentations on the highway and side streets. I havent checked my tyre pressure but at a rough look/guesstimate it wouldnt be anywhere near 50 psi. Our tyres are 16" bridgestone duellers. I don't know what brand your tyres are over there. The brand of tyre, inflation level can make one heap of difference. In all my years of owning numerous cars (and heaps of motorbikes - during a misspent youth)and pickups I would venture to say that the ride in our new Suzuki is the best out of any car I have owned. My suzuki 2006 came with a bog standard clarion CD (not MP3 included) and today I had it replaced by a car audio specialist. It was somewhat frustrating to find that the local Suzuki dealer did not stock parts such as a under head unit radio pocket. It appears that Suzuki parts availability may be an issue - ditto with no companies here making steering wheel audio control adapters for non suzuki factory audio head units. Other than this extremely happy, as is the wife, whom sneaks off with the Suzuki 4WD, at every opportunity, despite her having a 1 year old toyota corolla. I certainly hope that Suzuki do not go the way of soft SUV's. If Suzuki pulled their finger out then they would corner the market in its current class. This vehicle has a lot of potential - I just hope that Suzuki, Japan listens and learns and does not attempt to economize by cutting corners/features. It would be interesting to compare the Australian Suzuki Grand Vitaras 2006 (which are fully manufactured and assembled in Japan) with the ones sold in the US and Canada to compare the quality/finish.

Cheers all
Take care

Will toast your health with a few aussie beers.

Ron

tim66 · June 2006

We are pushing 5000 miles on our GV and very satified. We swapped in a 2003 4cyl Vitara and there is a world of difference in ride and handling. Our tires were also overinflated when received(48psi).Maybe the factory should check calibration on their gages. My only complaint is the MPG readout on the dash. What good is it? Talked to my sales rep yesterday and he told me Suzuki has a small pickup in the works. This sounds interesting.
Happy motoring...

manoj · June 2006

[rszabo]
Our new Suzuki Grand Vitara 4WD V6 rides like a dream. It floats over bumps, corrugations, indentations on the highway and side streets.

If I can ever achieve to float over the indentations on the highway if not over the bumps; I will be more than Happy!

What is your Tire pressure rszabo ??? Does anyone also have a floating GV like rsZabo

Meanwhile, I have some tyre brand called: YoKoHaMa! :mad:

Has anyone soften the Suspension on the GV or is everyone with the factory's Stiff Suspension :confuse:

I am never going to go Off-road with GV; so will the dealer soften it!

budman3 · June 2006

Suzuki inflates the tires to max psi for shipping purposes. The dealer (dealer prep? yea, right$$$) is supposed to adjust the pressure to specs. Ours rode extremely rough until I adjusted mine to 32psi. The tag is on the inside driver's door jamb. We have the Yokohama's, too.
I won't say ours "rides like a Cadillac", but it's very comfortable and handles great, although it does get thrown around in heavy winds.
Maybe rszabo's GV is loaded down with that great aussie ale.

bj9996 · June 2006

budman3 & manoj, I suspect(beside the pressure) that it should be the 16in wheel which is making rszabo's GV to float. This is due to the higher profile tyres (which should be fitted) which will be more absorbent to the bumpy rides as compared to ours which is on 17in wheels and lower profile tyres. However, the downside of a higher profile rubber will be lower connering stability due to the higher flex of the rubber.

Any other ideas?

manoj · June 2006

I think I have the 16inch alloy wheel since I own the xSport Package, and i think its the Luxury package that comes with 17inch wheel.

Anywayz I only got appointment for Wednesday just to do alignment check on the car! I guess I can myself adjust the tire-pressure or shud i get it done from the service center itself.

Plus I hv read that u shud check reading of tyre PSI after only 1 mile run or after 3 hrs of standing in the Manual to get the accurate reading.

budman3 · June 2006

I would think every model GV has a slightly different set up in suspension and components(help me norwoodsmn),i.e.; 2 or 4wd, auto, manual, 16", 17", etc. They might all have unique driving qualities.
I have the Luxury 2wd with 17" wheels.
Air pressure should be checked when cold. The more you drive, the more heat and the more the pressure will increase which is normal but don't lower your tire pressure when the tires are hot, you will end up with lower psi when cold.
Tires can be a pain,but are a crucial part of maintenance to avoid tire failure. We see it all too often here in the heat of the desert.
I would rather be drinking a beer or reading a book than changing a tire.

rszabo · June 2006

G'day all from Australia. The tyres on our grand vitara are 16" bridgestone duellers high profile. Regarding cornering I havent had a problem with body roll etc. This is one fine vehicle. I suspect those people having a problem with their ride need a different brand of tyre/and or tyre pressure. Yokohoma tyres over here are a very stock standard tyre - when my factory fitted tyres wear out I wouldnt consider yokohoma tyres as a replacement. Budman do you know how to get the bolts/fasteners out of the guard underneath the engine to get at the oil filter? Do they just pull out/levered out with a screwdriver? The beer is on its way Budman.

Cheers all from Downunder
Ron

budman3 · June 2006

Good evening to all on this hot day, about 110*F.
Those plastic fasteners are easily removed by prying/levered with a screwdriver on the center little button until it pops out, then the entire fastener comes out.
The oil drains quickly when you remove the plug, beware.
Be careful that the engine is not hot when you reach up to spin off the filter. You will touch the engine(as I have done,ouch! :sick: ). It's a small area to get to the filter and quite messy. Take your time and reach for a Bud.
I will be on my doorstep anxiously awaiting my delivery.

Thanks, Ron. G'day

rszabo · June 2006

G'day Budman. Thanks for your help. That's worth a carton of aussie beer.

Take mate.

Cheers
Ron

william642 · July 2006

I am very close to buying a new 2006 GV Luxury AWD, but the only reason I've hesitated is because of the lackluster performance of the 2.7 L motor. Is anyone aware of any way to improve performance by using any type of after market accessories or engine power improvement modules?

Thanks!

roach1 · July 2006

Hi everyone cant seem to find the plug for the block heater
can anyone help? I own the JLX Leather model.
Tks from Montreal Canada

shlomozv · July 2006

hello guys'
i just have received my new GV 2.0 2007 (one week ago)
and I feel some sort of vibrations in Steering wheel (and also in the car) when the speed reaches 80 m/h. I have got the wheel balance checked . The vibration appear also if the THE CAR STOPPED AND THE gear is in (N) MODE ,PUSHING DOWN THE GAS TO REACH 2200 rpm ,THE STEERING BECAME VIBRATED AT HIGH FREQUENCY IT COULD BE TESTED EASILY , THE VIBRATION IS IN HIGH FREQUENCY SO SOME PERSONS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FEEL THAT
I WONDER IF ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA REGARDING THIS ISSUE OR MAYBE CAN TEST THAT.
just TO KNOW IF IT ALL GV SIMPTUM OR JUST MINE!!!

thanks

bearsgv · July 2006

Tried with my GV when idle & in N, I can't feel the vibration you are talking about.
Haven't gone as high as 80m/h, speed limit here is only 100km/h(about 62m/h). Has gone as high as 125km/h (77m/h) & didn't feel the vibration.

shlomozv · July 2006

Thanks BEARSGV
I wonder what kind of GV you got?have you reached 2200 rpm in the idle mode?and another question ,haven't you feel any different of felling on the steering between zero rpm to 2200 rpm?
thanks

bearsgv · July 2006

I have a manual 2.0 GV. Have done 15,000 km & happy with everything so far.

I purposely tried to rev to 2200rpm & higher after reading your message & didn't notice any increase in vibration. The streering didn't feel any different either. I only notice increase in vibration when I put my hand on the gear stick.

shlomozv · July 2006

thanks again
it seems that my GV has technical problem
i am going to have a meeting with the dealer's technical engenier due the vibration
i will update the forum if the problem is solved

norwoodsmn · July 2006

Re: suspension/components differences between the various models....I wish I knew, (does anyone?). Particularly so re: possible ones between the base 4wd model, and the top of the line 4wd one equipped with the low range transfer case. Seems economies of scale taken into consideration, all the underpinnings, (at least on the two 4wd models), ought to be the same? But how do we find out? Not from any info published to date by Suzuki, (at least that I've seen). Why the secrecy?

Again if one can give up hard(er) core bush beating, (steep rough rocky trails, slippery bogs, icy Outback roads and the like, where often ya just gotta crawl), well, assuming the suspension toughness is the same on the base 4wd model as it is on the low range equipped one, then the base 4wd might be the best value.

But, I have to say it, other than someone NEEDING 4wd, just like every Suzuki 4wd I've owned, well, just for street use there's these things out there called cars. They get one "H" of alot better gas mileage, and are far more sophisticated in operation than any Suzuki truck ever made, sans the 2007 [now] NON 4wd XL-7 luxo boat of course...

So I wonder if Suzuki has all too successfully managed to market the highly attractive new GV as being all things to all people, when in fact on closer inspection, golly gee, just maybe it can't be?

The 5 speed manual equipped, base 4wd model I test drove, (with 16 inch tires), handled just like a proper Suzuki 4wd should. But unless one goes to the dirt, you'll never know why it feels the way it does on the street. Go ye forth, and DO IT IN THE DIRT!

harp666 · July 2006

I also have the same Issue..steering wheel vibrating at 70 on up..tires are fine and balancing fine also...anyone had a fix yet?

budman3 · July 2006

I'm sure they change springs,shocks, etc. for 4wd vs 2wd but i doubt it has a big impact on driveability.
norwoodsmn, as the debate goes on, I challenge you to the car vs suv. All in fun, of course. Our needs were something larger than a car but sportier than a minivan. My girls would dis-own me for buying a minivan. Yes, I would like a bit more room for the pooch but it works for us. There isn't a car out there for certain personal situations.
We did take our GV off road today(not a 4wd course) and it felt solid.
Have a fun and safe 4th of July. Budman

bm000092 · July 2006

Roach1, the plug for the block heater is located on the passenger side, at the back of the engine compartiment near the windshield, tks, from the same place.

rszabo · July 2006

G'day all from Aussie land. Took my grand vitara 4WD out on some very rough dirt hill roads to take some photos. The suzuki ate it up. There were many corrugations and bumps on this one lane dirt road/lane and steep climbs and dips. Ride was superbly smooth and sure footed. Corrugations were heard rather than felt. The suzuki was very surefooted - no wallowing or fish tailing and in many parts I was travelling faster than I should. I can't help but wonder if the brand of tyres on the people's suzukis are having a detrimental impact on their ride/vibration wise.

Cheers all from Downunder
Ron

rszabo · July 2006

Just realized that my suzuki 4WD grand vitara 2006 came standard fitted with gas shock absorbers.

Cheers

Ron from Downunder

norwoodsmn · July 2006

4-(th. of July greetings!)-sure. All is set up initially as it should be, but for skid plates, and maybe some of the exhaust pipe routing?, on the 4wd model, for all but the TOUGH STUFF. Shock durability is a separate issue which should become apparent I'd guess, at around 60,000k's or so.

Ah hear ya on the room issue. Further, it would be tough to find a crossover, (sans the unattractive yet highly capable new '07 Sube Forester, for instance), with adequate ground clearance/toughness to meet [our] varied needs. 4 sure too re: "Van image problems".

Instead of yours, xostnot's, and our new Aus buds use of "them", my "worries" are more about the full time streeter owners out there, (and there's probably more than just a few?), who want, no, may end up demanding!, a more comfortable ride. Just concerned "we" then might end up someday metaphorically "off of the road", sans an adequately equipped TOUGH Zuke, to get us there and bring us back.

More of these real world Outback performance accounts would be most welcome here, and perhaps help educate some new initiates as to what the true nature of the vehicle IS. Xostnot, (for instance), been bashing the bush somewhere here in Beautiful British Columbia recently yourself?

I can't figure what the "vibration issue" could be, but
OR traction, (a different subject), would greatly improve with aggressive tread from brands like Toyo, Nokian, etc. Dismount the show 17 wheels and set them aside for the Concourse de elegance. Then feel free to "rough up" a set of the 16 steels, (original equipment on the base version), with good rubber mounted thereon. Go ye forth to the dirt!

shlomozv · July 2006

i had took my GV to recheck the wheel balance today
the regular balance was fine, since the vibration still appear, the balancing expert suggest to balance the wheels like the way it came out from the factory ,so he took out the tires from the jaunt and placed the tires on the jaunt again in anew position then he rebalnced the wheels while he is checking the tiers balance and not the weel balance
i drove the GV and it seems that the vibration is quit gone
i hope its for ever, i will cheek that the next dyes and update the forum

budman3 · July 2006

Anyone hear about Vitara4me and his lean condition?

tidester · July 2006

We haven't heard from him but we're still waiting for his update!

tidester, host

roach1 · July 2006

Thank you , found it!!! near the battery

xostnot · July 2006

The '06 GV service manual describes how Suzuki examines tires and rims for out-of-roundness and balancing, then matches tires and rims to cancel each other out as much as possible.

If you've noticed colored dots on your tire sidewalls, that is what they are for. To preserve this balance, it's important that if you have to remount a tire, the relationship between tire and rim be restored. The manual even suggest marking the set more permanently in case the dots wear off.

xostnot · July 2006

Unfortunately we haven't tested the GV's "off-road" capabilities recently. The SE model of the first-generation Pathfinder had 2-firmness adjustable shock absorbers. Suzuki could add that to the GV with the low range, solving the need to compromise on the stiff side for the suspension.

Alternately, they could just put stiffer (and Higher, please, please, greep, beg) suspension on the low-range equipped models, and soften up the other models. This would be so easy to do, and benefit both those who need stiffer suspension for rough stuff, satisfy the vast majority of buyers who will stick to pavement, and appease the auto journalists who lowered the GV's ranking because of the busy ride.

We've put some highway mileage on the GV, and I've posted the gas consumption observations on the GV vs Rav4 topic. I'm also happy to say I activated the ESP on a tight corner in that tricky section of highway between Manning Park and Princeton. I wasn't about to lose control, and the tires were not squealing or sliding, but I probably had more cornering G forces going than I ever have with it. (My wife was making that noise people make when they suck air in between their teeth, and bracing herself.) The effect of the ESP was a moment of subtle swaying/wallowing, plus a slight change in direction. Hardly even noticable, and entirely without all the drama exhibited by the traction control.

budman3 · July 2006

Just in case anyone missed the newer road test.

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vitara4me · July 2006

Ok, I'm the guy that had his floor melt on the way to Vegas. So far, this is what has happened: Suzuki changed my carpet, but didn't change my sound deadening pad, foam support, or floor mats. While the dealer was changing my carpet, the dealer caused more damage to my car repairing it then before I brought it in for service!

The dealer broke five interior plastic pieces, and scratched the paint all the way to the metal on the right front and rear door sills. One of my back seats no longer locks tight and I have a new rattle.

Oh, the VIBRATION issue. The dealer changed the rear driveshaft and balanced the tires. The vibration is still there.

The LEAN issue: The dealer changed all three cats and changed two O2 sensors. Is it fixed? Only GOD knows...

Well, the Vitara still vibrates while accelerating (between 55-65, and 75-85 mph). And guess what? I went to Las Vegas last week and my floor melted again. It was 110 degrees in the desert heat, and I was driving approximately 80 MPH (no trailer this time).

I called my dealer today to see if my parts were in (the parts the dealer broke + my new floor mats, foam support, etc...), and I was told that the dealer no longer sells Suzuki!!! Huh? They have my parts, but they will not give them to me because they are no longer a Suzuki dealer. I was told that I could "buy" them and install them myself. When I was told that, I hung up, poured myself a Scotch on the rocks, and tried to lower my blood pressure.

I called three more dealers near me and they were closed as well!! July 5th, 2006, four dealers in my area dropped the Suzuki brand. Now, I have to drive to San Bernardino, California for service. That is 50 MILES AWAY from my home.

Ok, so what is the deal? Suzuki dealers are closing all around me......

I think I know the answer. Suzuki sells three crap cars: Verona, Forenza, and Reno. These are re-bagged Korean Daewoos. When GM bought out bankrupt Daewoo, they shoved the old Leganza, Nubira, and Lanos onto Suzuki. I spoke to one of the Suzuki techs and he said that Suzuki is being killed by warranty claims on the Daewoo/Suzuki cars. The Daewoo cars are having serious quality control issues, especially with the Daewoo engines. Many are spinning rod bearings and shooting rods out the block. Suzuki is being very quiet regarding this. But now that GM has sold its stake in Suzuki, the Daewoo crap will hopefully go away.

So far, there are three things that the dealer cannot fix on my Grand Vitara:

1) Melting floor.
2) The notorious vibration issue.
3) The driver's seat "clicks" every time I make a left or right turn.

Now, you must understand that the vibration issue seems to be only with Luxury models with the 5-speed auto. Those of you with the two-wheel drive version may not have this problem. I believe that the vibration issue has to do with cylinder imbalance. Some cylinders are getting more/ less fuel than others. If the fuel rail has the injectors in series (one after the other), then the last two injectors can run leaner than the other four. Oddly enough, I drove another Grand Vitara Luxury Edition and it did not have the vibration problem. There is something that Suzuki is not telling us.......:lemon:

Suzuki of America, if you are reading this. Take note: you have serious problems with the 2006 Grand Vitara and you need to address them. I am no longer a satisfied customer, and others are having the same problems. If you don't respond quickly, customer loyalty will suffer.

I am going to take my Grand Vitara to the dealer one more time to get the vibration issue, and melting floor issue looked at. The third time is the magic number, as I fully intend to use the lemon law to get Suzuki to buy it back, and I am going to buy a new Toyota FJ. At least I don't have to worry about my nearest Toyota dealer closing its doors...

Regards, ToyotaFJ4me

(edited for content) Thanks moderators! :P

xostnot · July 2006

If I were you, I'd be just as peeved.

I've been looking at the NHTSA site today, and I don't recall seeing any other complaints or TSB's about these things, except there is some stuff about the front and rear driveshafts. You should take a look, and you should also post safety complaints regarding the seat anchor, and the melting floor.

We gave our GV a 6-hour drive in 40C temperatures a week ago, up and down mountain grades of up to 4000' of climbing, and at 100-110kph, and had no problems. We don't have vibrations, and the seats are tight. So hopefully, other than you being the unfortunate victim, yours is a rare lemon.

Suzuki sales in North America are up 25% over last year, so hopefully they will survive.

budman3 · July 2006

That's a story nobody wants to hear. I can't believe a dealer would tell you that you have to pay for parts. I would be calling Norwoodsmn and Norwoodsmn to settle this.JK

Sounds like a computer problem that unfortunately you ended up with.
I'm also concerned about the Suzuki situation and am waiting for a call from certain people and will let everyone know any info I get next week. Sorry, can't say anymore.
Vitara4me, good luck and hope everything goes well.

dclark2 · July 2006

I'll post a couple of pastes in a second for those who want to
check it out.
3.6 motor- Most likely, at least for the first '07 models, I think there is little possibility, if any, of the GV getting it. While the Equinox/Torrent twins will be getting the 3.6 motor, it will not happen until around xmas.

The ntsa has tested ( or maybe they haven't?)the 2007 GV. This model had the exact same weight. If the 2007 had a different motor, it is highly unlikely that it would have the same exact curb weight as the '06.
Other changes- the '07 will have tire pressure monitoring, no integrated seat belt (?), and less seat belt webbing.
Of course, all of this could be suspect-
I got this info by comparing the '06 and 07 crash tests. The crash numbers for both years are indentical, as are the pictures!
Here are sites:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/3738.html
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/cars/3958.html

kutyafal · July 2006

Regarding off-road performance...

I test drove the GV Luxury 4wd this weekend and came away very impressed! I just sold my modified '91 Jeep Wrangler that I used to drive on the rocks and was itching for some off-roading so I drove the GV through a few ditches and gravel roads while on the test drive.

I tried to do some spins and drifts on the gravel to test the ESP and was impressed how smoothly it worked! I currently drive a '96 Grand Cherokee Limited V8 and can spin and slide that baby around if I try real hard but not the GV. It will cut power and apply the brakes effectively to avoid such situations. Good thing that it can be turned off so one can have a little fun!

I also drove into and through a deep ditch on the side of the road. Since I drove in diagonally I could cross flex the wheels where it would teeter-totter on the front left and rear right wheels while the other wheels were in the air. This is where the much touted Grand Cherokee would come to a stop since it has open diffs and no traction control (I think later models have them now). The GV's TC kicked in and after about a full revolution on the spinning tire the brakes were applied and it regained traction and was able to climb out of the ditch! I was impressed at how relatively smoothly this worked and was driver controllable. I would say the climb-out angle was around 30 degrees. I don't know how this would work on steeper climbs but recall reading something about TC disabling itself to avoid drivetrain overload...

I'd love to take the GV on harder trails but it would need a few things modified before venturing out:
- Bigger tires. Wonder what's the largest size that would fit.
- Would be nice if Calmini developed a lift kit, like it did for earlier models. Probably just a matter of time...
- Some underbelly and rocker skids for protection. This can be home made too.

And of course there are questions about the strength of the drivetrain (tcase, axles, tranny) and weather the traction control would keep working under heavier loads and where would it max out.

Just to put it in perspective I'm used to this kind of off-roading but of course I don't expect the GV perform like that.

The only thing we didn't like was some sort of vibration on the highway. It felt like driveline or tire vibration and made the highway ride quite noisy.

And of course it could use at least 40 more horses for better passing but I could live with what it has right now.

norwoodsmn · July 2006

We feel your pain! The only perspective I can bring to the [round] table here would be: when "you've", (any Suzuki owner), got BIG ISSUES, unfortunately it goes with the territory that you have to be prepared to leave yours, and consider driving AFAR,
(even if your own local dealer remains in business), off to where the most knowledgeable long time Suzuki wrenches reside on staff.... That's reality.....
How about some past five hour drives, (one way, myself), to see one of the best mechanics I've met, at a distant Zuke repair facility. Sorry also to hear about the closing dealership in your "hood". Lord, tell me about it, maybe we'll do a group therapy tell all Haloween night, or on the Mexican Day of the Dead here?

Fortunately for me, my methaphorical "Texas Chainsaw Massacre like" Zuke service department horror stories, (simple negligence excepted), go back quite a ways! Still I keep a sharp eye out there, (but guess that goes for any maintenance concerned vehicle owner today), when one of my Zukes' is in the shop.

Again, recently, (out of warranty), Zuke Canuckada stepped up for me, going one third, (one third dealer), and one third my bucks, to help rectify a $900.00 problem. So if it's any cause for some encouragement, (ESPECIALLY SO with your exposure of your incredible difficulties to the world here!), and really, REGARDLESS because of your warranty status, you should be able to get what needs to be done, DONE. Though again it's the WHERE to get it done..... Certainly your situation raises alot of questions. Ones I've had ample time to ponder over my years of ownership as well....

As an aside, yes I can also confirm that Suzuki is EXTREMELY warranty expenditure conscious, partly [more recently] no doubt for some of the reasons you've stated, (Daewoo derivative vehicle warranty claims). This warranty service
comparison/observation came from a Zuke guy [at an undisclosed location] who compared the readiness of, for instance, a Subaru's service rep's handling of this or that warranty issue, vs. my personal observaion of: "LIKE PULLING TEETH" with Suzuki, based on some of my own first hand experiences trying to get them to step to the fore on some close judgement calls. But clearly you've got some HOT FOOT/BAD VIBE problems which they should, (at the right facility), be prepared to move heaven and earth to rectify for you!, or cash you out PDQ towards a FJ Cruiser.

Love, angst, bros and sis'es, I've said it before here. But it seems to early to draw any conclusions yet re: these being generic problems. Thanks other "bros" for that reassurance. So hope it's "just" atypical stuff, though it's not for you {vitara4me]
Please keep us informed, and how far, (literally), you have to GO to make it happen. There are many potential lessons here for the new initiate to the brand.
So IMPRESS US SUZUKI, WE'RE ALL WATCHING.......

Norwoodsmn.

xostnot · July 2006

Thanks for the off-road information, kutyafal.

For the Canadian audience, this week's Motoring 2006 is supposed to have an update on their long-term test of the '06 GV. Check www.tsn.ca for your local schedule.

budman3 · July 2006

So far the GV has been a top seller. Suzuki has been selling some Daewoo cars but that agreement has ended.
A friend is adding a $500k showroom just for Suzuki. Some dealers aren't believers and may not be very enthusiastic.
Those were just some quotes from someone I know. Doesn't make things right for Vitara4me, but maybe the trip to the next dealer will bring better results.

badsuzuki · July 2006

I wish they would roadtest my Grand Vitara. Been making a droning noise with vbration since new between 55-68 mph, not just accellerating but while cruiing tht speed. Have replaced driveshaft propellor and differential mounting bracket, now want to replace axles, then differential. They have no idea what the problem is, also vibration on moderate acceleration between 30-45 mph. Owned 2001 and 2004 GV never a problem, very disapointed in this new Xsport 4mode 4wd model. They will never compete with Honda or Toyota maybe even KIA with crap like this that they have no idea what is causing this vibration and droning noise. I am very sour on Suzuki, though they were ready to make headway aginst the BIG 2. Not even close!!

shlomozv · July 2006

Hi
I have the same vibration you have, the dealer had replaced drive shafts rear and front but it reach small effect
so they install stabilizer part on got from suzuki especialy for this vibration issue the rear, which mean that suzuki know about this vibration problem on the NEW GV , SUZUKI send this stabilizer part,anyway it dosnot help , last week i have rabalnced the weels in adeffrent way which seems that help to decrees the vibration to alow level. soft vibrate still appear at 80 kph or 2200 rpm
very soft vibration but still there ,the problem is the 2200 rpm is a cruse drive and its make me nerves every time i drove for along distance
i wonder if suzuki the mother company has a technical support how can show us(the customers) what to do

bm000092 · July 2006

What kind of stabilizer, something they put on the drive shaft ? Usually that kind of vibration is due to the drive shaft angle. When I had my Cherokee, and added a spring leaf on each side at the back, obviously it did change the angle, not a lot but a little, and so I got that small vibration at around 30-35 mph and 60-65 mph also, but in my case this was expected, I knew it would may be do it.
With my GV I cannot say that I have this problem, surely not enough to be noticed by any passengers (like if I'm sitting as a passenger, which is not often, I cannot notice anything), but when driving I can say yes, I can feel something really really small through the steering, nothing that can be eared or be annoying, or may be I'm just too used of the vibration I was getting with the Cherokee!!! And even then, it didn't do anything wrong to it, I drove it for 10 years, may be it's also the reason why I find the GV so smooth.

kutyafal · July 2006

If there is a vibration when you're revving the engine while at a standstill then it's obviously not a driveline problem but an engine balance problem. If it only happens while driving then it's either the tires/wheels or the driveline. In this case I suggest to take the truck to a driveline shop that has the proper equipment to check and balance the driveline properly. It maybe something that Suzuki missed in the design and quality control. I have a '96 Grand Cherokee and it also has a mild driveline wibe at around 65. The Grand has good sound insulation and I just speed up a bit to around 90 and it goes away...

I'm going to check with the dealer where I test drove one that had the wibe and see what they've found out...

norwoodsmn · July 2006

Caught the re run of Motoring 2006 yesterday, but missed the first few minutes. Did I miss it, or is the long(er) term new GV test on the next show?

Of pretty great interest on the one I saw, was a first look/drive of the four cylinder turbocharged '07 Acura RDX. The EXPENSIVE, upgraded sister ship to the all new '07 Honda CRV which is also due out in the next while. Have to say it to the predominate number of ON road warriors out there?, the new CRV ought to be the clear pick of the litter when it debuts, assuming one doesn't face significant obstacles on route to the cottage.

For the rest of we present or still prospective future new GV owners, (xostnot, etc.), needing a tougher vehicle forr certain applications, I hope these initial problems with the new GV prove:
1.) isolated, and
2.) soon ironed out.

But you know, as a postscrip here, doesn't this yet again beg the question, why didn't Suzuki concentrate instead by making their own less complex YET ALL NEW own economical four cylinder version of their historic standard bearer, the Vitara/Escuido class of vehicles? Instead, "it's" just gotta have a six, then, so what?, hey, lets butt heads with the likes of the CRV, and others, while diluting more than just a bit, the prior standard level off Suzuki offf road capabilities, (in the new GV), in the process? Hmmm, the jury still seems out re: the wisdom of it all, to me at least.... Nwdsmn.

nramos76 · July 2006

Well, after racking up about 7k miles on my '06 GV it has developed an annoying rattle in the interior rear of the vehicle. It rattles when I am driving on moderately rough roads particularly when the rear passenger side tire hits a "bump" in the road. To try an pinpoint the problem, I've driven with the rear cargo cover, spare tire cover, and rear headrests removed, but the problem remains. I suspect that it is the center seat belt mechanism inside the seat but not sure. My local dealer took it for a drive, but of course they claim that they didn't hear anything...
Anyone else experience this?

Noel

Suzuki Grand Vitara 2006 through 2008

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