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Does it calculate real time mileage somehow or is there a gas flow sensor reading in the OBD II system? I haven't been able to tell from their manual.
My vehicle is a new 07 Civic LX, don't have enough miles on it for a reasonable milage measurement yet, but it does look encouraging at 42 mpg for the second tank full covering 400 miles. 200 hwy and 200 short 10 mi one way trips.
Best Regards,
Shipo
However, on a much longer trip of 657 miles, it showed a much more believable 35.71 mpg. I am still, however, very pleased because on this trip we seldom ran less thn 70 (usually 74-75) on the interstate and we had a little bit of running around in town.
One thing I have wondered about is what kind/Brand of gasoline the rest of you have been running in your Civics. I usually buy Exxon or BP but occsionally will buy another brand if it's cheaper or more convenient. I was running BP when I got the 48.8. I'm just wondering if there could be a difference. My guess is no, but who knows?
I'm going to be taking several more trips over the next couple of months so I'll keep you posted.
Good enough for me so I have purchased the gadget and am playing with it on a 2003 Dodge pickup as well as the Civic. I'm still in the information overload period, but the mpg readings about double for the Civic on level roads, which is about right. More interesting is how much higher the Civic readings are on downhills which I expect means it's wind resistance is much lower.
If nothing else the ScanGauge can easily pay for itself in a couple "check engine" light episodes.
Keep us posted as you become more proficient at digesting the data it presents you with.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Best Regards,
Shipo
It can be distracting though, fun to see over 200 mpg come up on downhills! Not so much fun to watch the 5 to 15 mpg readings shifting up thru the gears. No wonder some people get such low city milage. :P
The thing can even be corrected for speed and mileage, handy for my truck with it's larger than normal tires. My Civic's odometer and speedodometer are pretty close at a bit less than 1% low anyway.
Best Regards,
Shipo
and this is one of them..
Best Regards,
Shipo
In some intake designs, there are the snow prophylactic effects, which folks like K&N assiduously avoid talking about. To make a long story short, those designs where the snow prophylactic designs CAN but do not necessarily inhibit air flow, a new intake or K&N will provide marginal improvement The price is of course increase "crud" being ingested and injected. But if there is no need for the snow prophylatic designs (which folks that use new intakes defacto decide) then simple removal (of the snow prophylatic portion will unblock the lack of flow that was there in the first place. The concept of course is the removal costs NOTHING!
1.the before and after UOA's Bobistheoilguy.com numbers indicate greater load (in the oil system) of silicon (aka dirt)
2. actual before and after dyno runs on Z06 Corvette.com. No demonstrated statistical difference in hp/torque attributed to (oiled)air filter media use.
Also atomized mineral oil is NOT, I repeat NOT good for the intake of ANY ICE!! It also increases the chances of the oxygen sensor and chip corroding!!!
Say this is true (I dont use them so I dont know either way)...why dont they market this? With some easy controlled testing, they'd have a marketing plan that would capture the market.
I haven't used one so I can only speculate, but having gotten 40.92 MPG on one highway trip in my Accord before, I have a hard time believing that I would have gotten 45 MPG (of course I had a hard time believing I got 40.92!).
As far as marketing?......lol Its in every Pep Boys....Checker auto....Kragen....and Autozone....In the country. I can get one from any of those places in the U.S.
Sorry dude, it's all in your head (and the head of those that are deluded into thinking the same thing as you think). There is absolutely zero scientific evidence to support your claims. In fact, even common sense would suggest that the K&N cleaner won't do squat when it comes to fuel economy. Why? Simple, your engine measures the weight of the air after it has passed through the air filter (and usually the throttle body as well), and then adds the appropriate amount of fuel to the air. If (and I only say "if" for the sake of argument) more air was allowed to enter the engine after adding a K&N, then your car would add MORE fuel and your mileage wouldn't change one bit.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Please don't confuse power at WOT with fuel economy. I think that there is little doubt that a K&N filter will offer less restriction at WOT (at the expense of extra dirt getting into the engine), however, at cruising speeds, the demands of an engine on its air filtration system are minuscule. At any given throttle setting during a steady state freeway cruise; there will not be a measurable difference between the air passing through a clean OEM filter and a K&N.
Best Regards,
Shipo
but rather a lack of mentioning such an increase in fuel economy. even if it was only a proven 2% gain, in times like these with the way gas is, A LOT of people would be all over it.
I really doubt a k&n filter makes any such boosts in fuel economy, especially not when they are supposed to be for better performance. Performance and fuel economy usually DON'T go hand in hand.
good points by shipo and ruking as well.
Sorry, I was referring to how it is advertised and marketed to customers.
I never seen any ad campaigns talking about such big gains.
You may have been meaning the car manufacturers. Whatever. I know what you mean!
Corvette and viper are the only U.S. cars that make their own performance intake and exhaust systems and if you buy one of those you are paying for it.
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the retail cost per oz (per gal price of 12.26).0957812 cents.
Would 8.67 TIMES more motivate you?
Right! On the C5 Corvette if one either:
1. just removes the snow prophylatic and cable ties the oem filter
2. just drills holes in the snow prophylactic cover portion, again using the oem air filter
you get the EXACT dyno numbers and GREATER (than K&N) filtering ability.!!! Cost? NADA!! You ALSSO cut down enormously the potential for mineral oil migration to those critical and EXPENSIVE to fix components.
And, I would agree with the second point!
All one has to do is to look at the aftermarket products! (both intake and filter products) It is HUGE HUGE business!
In terms of filtering ability and so called "performance" for my .02 cents those products are not worth the asking prices.
The other is the concept of cold air vs engine compartment induction!!??
VW Jetta TDI designs a so called "cold air" induction; with removable snow snorkel (my term prophylatic). The snow snorkel has a (pre) screen and (from backwards to fowards) vents to the windstream via a protected area sheltered by plastic louvers. This is further prescreened by the screened portion of a front edged bra!! Still, after a cycle of 5,000 mile snow screen cleanings /100,000 miles or 20 cleanings, I am still amazed at how much debris/dirty is "prescreened" by the snow snorkel screen!!! If I took off the snow snorkel (or just the screen) all of this would dump into the bottom or dirty portion of the stock air box!! Of course the TDI is designed in such a way where the air flow is NOT impeded (aka gets ALL the air it needs, even with the snow snorkel) for a full charge of air! So it makes almost absolutely no sense (from a performance and filtering point of view) to do any modifications. I have also done a visual inspection by wiping the clean side of the air flow intake with a hot soapy water dampen white clean rag and there is literally no dust residue!!! To boot, I EXCEED the oem recommendation for air filter change by a min of 25% to 50%!!! I do a 50/60 k miles interval when 40,000 miles is oem recommended. But truly that is WAY conservative!!
I will grant the air induction system is BUTT ugly.However that is entirely a different issue, which aftermarket vendor address at steep prices!
Best Regards,
Shipo
miles driven: 20328
total gallons used: 536.9
average MPG: 37.86
best tank MPG: 44.7
worst: 33.4
average conditions: daily ~50 mile commute DC metro area (speed completely variable from 60mph to stop and go), occasional 250 mile highway trips (72-78mi/h cruise control), a/c when needed, no mods. last 6 months tire pressures +3-5psi over doorjamb specs.
cheers,
-C.
27.5 mpg, 29 mpg
Third tank after break-in (at least one trip/day to redline), and overall more agressive driving : 27.5 mpg
All tanks were during heavy AC use. I think this is pretty impressive for a performance car. I imagine with less A/C use and less agressive driving, I could easily break 30 mpg.
I suggest that before we raise the ire of our hosts any further, we put a lid on this discussion, and if necessary, continue it over in the "Gas Saving Gizmos & Gadgets" discussion.
rjlee, "Gas Saving Gizmos & Gadgets" #1, 6 Sep 2001 2:50 pm
Best Regards,
Shipo