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Mark.
A vette??? Vettes are a dime a dozen, produced year after year after year....
The Shelby GT500 is only being built for two years and that's it! Much more collectable.
I had the pleasure of running against several vettes so far and dusted everyone one of them!!! And you call that a real sports car, moron?
Sounds to me like you really wanted a Shelby but just can't afford one!
I have an 05 Mustang and it's the best one I've ever owned but I don't like the idea of all the weight they have gained. I rember the first Mustangs (65) were about 2600 pounds and about $2600. A dollar a pound sounds reasonable. The Shelbys are getting very close to 4000 lbs!? I remember when that kind of weight only belonged to Oldsmobiles and Cadillacs. :surprise:
Post #282 .......I don't recall calling anyone stupid. Where did that happen? If you can't take a little bit of friendly ribbing then I guess I'll have to try to avoid you.
Post #283 Franklin Mint is offering a very nice GT 500 Shelby for $100 for people who want a real one but can't afford one. Good luck with your 05 Mustang. :shades:
About the Franklin Mint, how about sending me one of those GT500s. I'm too poor to buy one myself. Us old retired folks living here in Florida are having a rough time lately. Yes I'll need some luck with my Mustang. You know FORD (Fix Or Repair Daily). I don't wish I had one of those Shelby Mustangs but I do wish I could afford to buy gas for one.
Regards,
Moronix (Moron for short)
Hmmm. Lets see now. Mustang 500hp/3920lbs vs Corvette 505hp/3180lbs. Make sure you let the other guy know he's in a race.
Bye bye ZO6.
seeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
Over all we are talking about 1 lb of weight per every lb of torgue difference.
It will also depend on drivers.
Also, with minor modification you can more than make up the difference for weight, HP and torque.
And a fully loaded Z06 has an MSRP of $77,925 VS a fully loaded Shelby GT500 with MSRP of $45,060.
Only a difference of $32,865.
Add less than $2,000 of modifications to the Shelby and for $30k less you have a better looking car that will smoke the Z06 hands down!
Even if you paid a $15k - $20k premium to buy the Shelby you still have a better looking car and after modifications you are still $10k - $15k ahead and have a car that will smoke the Z06!
Even if you go with a stripped model of the Z06 at $70k you are still ahead with a modified Shelby that will smoke the Z06 after paying a $15k - $20k premium!
Sounds like a pretty smart girl you got there!
For is not building this car for 2009. It is only a two year production and 2008 will be it! After that they will come out with other models. The Bullitt and the Boss will be next.
You also have a valid concern with the dealer going out of business. There are dealers closing left and right and Ford wants to cut down at least on a third of the current dealerships. Big and small, many are closing. Some from going broke and some taking buyouts from Ford to close.
As far as allocation, every dealer will get the exact same allocation they got for 2007. So unless the dealer can GUARANTEE you are to get one, do NOT give them a deposit. That would be foolish! I don't understand why dealers are doing that, taking a bunch of deposits on cars they KNOW they are not going to ever get! That is just BAD business practice! I heard one dealer took deposits from more than 30 customers when knowing they would never get near that many!
As far as allocation goes. Every dealer that enrolled for 2007 and paid the $1500 enrollment fee will get at least ONE Shelby GT500.
Every dealer that was an SVT Focus dealer will get one for that for a total of TWO.
Every dealer that is a full line SVT Dealer will get two for that for a total of THREE.
Every dealer that was a 2005 Presidential Award Winner got one for that for a total of TWO.
So a Presidential Award Winning dealer that was an SVT Focus dealer would get THREE.
A Presidential Award Winning dealer that is a full line SVT dealer will get FOUR.
After the total available allocation of 8k - 9k units for each year, 2007 and 2008, have been distributed based on the above allocation, then any remaining units left will be distributed based on share of nation. Meaning high volumn dealers that sold the most mustangs in the prior year COULD, MIGHT, MAYBE, will get an extra unit or two.
When we take a deposit on one of these the customer is GUARANTEED to get the car, period! Our dealer only gets two and we would only take a deposit from only two buyers.
As far as moving up if someone ahead of you was to back out...think about it! Would YOU back out and lose a $5k deposit??? Heck no! If someone had a problem that came up where they couldn't complete the sale they would just find a buyer themselves to sell their right to buy the car in their place. I have seen people do this by listing their right to buy the car on e-bay.
So DON'T be a fool and fall for that! Find a dealer that has the allocation and the car has not been spoken for and they can GUARANTEE you get the car! Get a signed purchase agreement in exchange for your deposit! READ IT CAREFULLY!
And if you found some dealers willing to sell one to you for only $10k over that is a heck of a deal! I would jump on it!
I'm a dealer and I can't find a dealer willing to sell me one for that! The best I have found is $15k over.
So you may see it the week of 2/23 or it could be up to a few weeks longer. It is completely out of the dealers control as to when it will actually get there.
Regardless, you will have before spring.
We have one coming and the ETA was 1/29 and it still is not here. But it was built on 1/18. As of today, 2/14 it's still not here and we don't know when it will get here.
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Actually I'm enjoying this forum. I've only been here a few days and I feel the love you guys have for the Shelby Mustang. It shouldn't surprise you that I love em too. If I could get one at MSRP I would buy it today! I love my little V6 and would love to own a 500hp Mustang with Shelby on it. I just went to my Ford dealers web site and priced one with the options I want. It came to a little over 50K. (It's a convertible) The salesman told me they have sold only one at about 15k over MSRP. I know to some people this is just "supply and demand". I call it price gouging. I refuse to participate in such a deliberate rip off. For the hard core Shelby fans this doesn't seem to bother them but it does bother me. I love the car but a blatent rip off by the dealer turns me off. I envy the ones that get them and wish them the best of luck with their new car. I'll just slip off into the night now and dream of the old days when new car dealers were not like used car dealers.
My beef is when the salesman is condescending or downright rude about it. In the least, be polite.
It's funny how you complain it is dealers price gouging. I bet you're the same type of person that would demand a dealer to pay you trade in value based on what Kelly Blue, Edmonds or NADA says your trade is worth. Then what those sites say it becomes gospel and anything less the dealer is trying to rip you off on your trade.
So what if the same site said retail value on the new Shelby GT500 was over $60k??? Would that mean it is worth that much because Kelly Blue Book says so???
Well guess what? Kelly Blue Book says the new Shelby GT500 is worth over $62k. That is the TRUE MARKET VALUE on this car. So if that is the true market value then paying $62k for one IS paying sticker!
Remember, the MSRP price is merely the manufacturers SUGGESTED retail price. That doesn't mean that that is all the vehicle is worth!
Look at the Shelby GT-H Hertz rental car. They are selling for $60k + at the auctions and those are USED with several thousand miles on them. You can get the Shelby GT Hertz version for $45k which is about $5k over MSRP!
It is the MARKET that determines the TRUE RETAIL VALUE. Not dealers! If there are no buyers, as in, no market for it, guess what happens to the value???
Look at the older Shelby GT500's. 67, 68, 69 and 70. They only cost about $4,700 new. Today they are almost 40 years old and PRIVATE OWNERS are getting over $200k for them! Talk about price gouging!!! That is over 40 times what they cost new 40 years ago! So how is this any different? Kind of makes the $60k - $70k price on the new Shelby GT500 a real STEAL in comparison.
I'd be interested in a road test comparison between the supercharged Rousch and the GT 500. Anyone got a link to this?
Future resale value is purely speculative, btw. It may or may not pan out. Cars are not a good investment, relative to other choices, imo.
Just found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq06eUNlyzI&mode=related&search=
It's not what I was looking for though. I think now it was a special I saw on TV... maybe the Speed channel.
Does the dealer have the allocation to get the car?
Is this on a 2007 or a 2008?
If you also noticed that was an older clip. The guy in the video said both cars had the 4.6L which is incorrect. He said the Shelby had 475 HP which is incorrect. Originally it was said to have 475 HP but it actually has 500 HP.
He said they did nothing on the brakes and suspension. That is incorrect. The Shelby does have different brakes and suspension over the GT Mustang.
Also notice they used the convertible instead of the coupe? There is a difference in the weight distribution on the coupe VS the convertible and a difference in the sway link bars between the two.
Basically that was a video trying to promote the Roush over the Shelby. But he did say the Shelby is faster on the straight away but on the track the Roush is supposedly better. Well how many people are going to be using their Shelby to race on the track?
The Shelby GT500 suspension is shared with the 2005 Championship winning FR500C Grand-Am Cup Mustang.
80 percent of the underpinnings on the FR500C race car can be found on the Shelby GT500, But they did "nothing" to the suspension, huh?
I had the hots real bad for the GT500, after falling in love with and buying an '05 Mustang GT Premium. Trouble was dealers, those lowly, slimey, greasy critters: they wanted to pick my pockets. I ain't gonna fork up, no way, not in this world, a markup of $10k for a Ford, when for the same money, in the neighborhood of $54k, I can get a Vette which will leave that front-end heavy Ford behemouth in the dust. The GT500's super-charged cast-iron engine throws the weight distribution way off, towards the front, and adds pounds to the car, making it a candidate for Slim Fast.
Trouble with the Roush's is that they're overdressed, vulgar, like so many of the Mustang GT's I see on the road. Eighteen inch chrome wheels, hood scoops, and God knows what only make the car ludicrous and hype the already-aggressive look, especially the front end (imo, of course). :shades:
I somewhat expected to read posts specifically addressing the GT500 which would be helpful and cogent. Instead, I find myself scrolling through numerous posts about how great the vette is and disgruntled posts belittling the Shelby by those who have no intention of ever owning one, for whatever reasons, the most likely being they simply can't afford it.
If I wanted to read how terrific the vette is, which I personally find butt ugly, I would visit a vette forum. In the meantime, if someone knows of another more focused forum for the GT500, please let me know. Thank you for the consideration.
Here's the Car and Driver road test of C6 Vette vs.GT500:
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/11150/heavy-pedal.html
The whole appeal of the GT500 was that as a Mustang it wasn't going to be that expensive. Before the car went into production, press releases put the figure at $40k or below. But when dealers starting adding ridiculous markups, bringing the car in the lower to mid 50's range, consumers, myself included, had to start thinking, "What else can I get for that kind of money? What's the competition?" Answer: the Vette. :shades: