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http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=27&article_id=9036
I will be buying one before winter. By all means, invest in 4 snow tires mounted on their own wheels. As for the comfy ride, give it a test drive. I felt it didn't ride like a limo, but it was far from punishing. I guess it depends on what you compare it to. Good luck.
Mark
I drive on average 175 miles per day. In and out of the vehicle numerous times. The ride is harsh to say the least. However, I believe, because of the upright/high seating it doesn't have a tireing effect on the driver.
If your commute is on 'good roads' I suspect you'd find the ride very good indeed. It is only on the poorly maintained roads that the harshness of the short, stiff suspension comes into play.
TWO years ago, I paid $14,965.
After two years of use, It's worth $14,921 retail, and $13,082 "private party".
Can anyone else name a car that depreciates $44 after two years??
The US Government mandated language says:
"2005 EPA estimated 30city/33highway...your mileage may vary"
Maybe that's where Scion came up with the exact same 30/33 they describe. Strange Coincidence?
Especially since car makers are forbidden by law from using any other numbers besides the ones given to them by the US Government??
So your theory is that your car is just burning more fuel?
Please explain why hasn't it begun running poorly, smoking, fouling spark plugs, overheating the catalytic converters, fouling the O2 sensor or turning on the check engine light if it is somehow using 50% more fuel than it needs?
If I was having paint issues, :lemon: and Scion agreed to repaint the car for me - that would go in the 'positive' list. I had to fight tooth and nail with Ford back in the '80s just to get a bumper repainted.
You know another thing about females (there are exceptions of course):
A couple of them can have a slight disagreement about any subject.....and be enemies for life. While men can argue about ever subject under the sun....and remain the best of friends. Just observations!
I honestly dont think that me having to repaint my car is a positive, that means that Scion admits of doing a crap job on my cars paint job, that leads me to think that other things are wrong with the car. I have bubbles in my paint job for gods sake, arrgghh!!!
I agree with you about the females thing about them holding grudges though, I'm a dude by the way and beleive you me I know how women can be. With that being said, I am sideing with the women here and I honestly beleive regardless of what color or gender you are, no matter if you have a fat foot or not, there is no excuse of getting 80 miles less than from a tank than what is advertised, Economical car hmmm... I dont know about that one for those of us that are driving a 108 hp, (correct me if Im wrong about the Xb's horsepower please.) I'm driving a 108 hp V8 or maybe a big 250hp or higher V6, I should have just bought the Dodge Magnum. I thought I was getting this car for the great mileage, and that is the only reason I bought this car, I bought the 2.0 release because I like being different, I wanted something limited, when I meant limited I didn't mean limited to 230 miles a gas tank! I serious wonder if my points are valid or I'm just a whiney, ignorant bigot that just doesn't understand the meaning of "false advertising." Yes I like lemonade, I'm trying so hard to make light of this becasue I am overly pissed about this subject. :lemon:
How is it false advertising if Scion reports the numbers produced by the US Government?
1. I may have misunderstood an earlier post. I thought you or someone had paint issues that Scion agreed to take care of. To me - that is a positive. Only if they refused to correct the situation would I continue to harp on the subject. Whoever experienced that problem did a good job of making the point to Scion.
B. As far as the gas mileage issue goes, again, that seems to be an individual issue. In this case you haven't been able to convince Scion it is anyone's other than your own fault. It is your responsibility to continue to 'sell' them on the problem. Sounds as if their techs did the requisite tests which did not produce the symptoms your trying to explain to them. Don't give up! Remember, these xB are basically Toyota Echos which have been sold in the US for some time now. Maybe you can find Echo owners to join your parade.
3. That said, your problem with the car does not, a whole company crooked make. I get better than the 'advertised' mpg. You know others who get better than the 'advertised' mpg. My car at $15,045 and 38mpg is an economical vehicle. Far more than the Magnum I too would have loved to own. Trust you me, those cars met many of the needs I have in a work vehicle - but not in the up front price, or the mpg ratings.
4. You know what they say; the squeaky wheel gets the grease.....maybe that'll be the next problem your car presents you with
There is nothing to "believe" about the numbers.
The US Government produces the figures after testing the cars, provides them to the manufacturer and says "Here are the only mileage figures you can ever use"
I do guarantee, without looking at it, nowhere does it say anything about getting a "minimum" mileage.
Everyone drives differently.
Thus, the mandated Government disclaimer that has become a cliche' in our language: "Your mileage may vary"
And I'm not just saying this because I'm female and old.
Me Too - Old, but not female. But I like.....:shades:
I drive my 05 Xb hard, 10,000 miles in 4 mths@75 mph+, and never get worse than 27 mpg with the a/c blowing.
When my fuel light would come on, and I would fill up, it would only take 8 or 9 gallons.
Thanks,
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After he'd taken as much bragging as he could, my friend's dad decided to get even. After the car arrived, he snuck over to his neighbor's house every night and topped up his gas tank (what can I say -- gas was cheap). After a couple of weeks, the neighbor was starting to talk to anyone who'd listen to him about his miracle car that never seemed to use a drop of gas.
Of course, pretty soon everyone in the neighborhood (including his wife) knew what was going on except him. I think they let him go on for three months or so before breaking the news.
Nowhere on my sticker does it say anything like that.
It mentions what other cars in this classification get.
There is absolutely nothing about any kind of "minimum" mileage mentioned nor does it say anything about getting "31 to 35".
It quotes the city, hwy and combined mileage, which are the exact figures produced by the EPA, not Scion.
2. I've got around 2000 miles on my 2006 xB. Over the 7 or 8 tanks I've pumped, mileage fluctuates by several mpg per tank, but seems to average around 29. I was told it would improve as I drove it, and it seems to be doing just that. I also am still running the a/c constantly (So. Cal desert).
3. To those who post that they are 'thinking about buying an xB' and ask for feedback, I TOTALLY LOVE my xB, and get a charge every time I climb in. It is comfortable, roomy, responsive, peppy, and eye-catching. I'd buy another in a second. It's my sixth or seventh Toyota (but I've had as many Buicks).
I thought this was germaine to the discussion of getting/not getting the stated MPG on the sticker. For me, I consistently average 27-29 mpg w/my tC.
http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared/articles/templates/index.cfm/article_page_order_in- t/2/article_id_int/753
My mileage seems to have settled into 23-24ish on a typical tank. This is real short-hop around town stuff, as I rarely take the car very far from home, or on any kind of highway ride of longer than a few miles. Lots of 1-3 mile local trips. So, 24+/- isn't too bad given the use I give it (my last car, a '99 Maxima 5 speed, used to get about 20-21 in the same usage).
On the rare occasion I take a trip, I get just about 29.5-30 mpg. This is usually a combo of running quick on the turnpike (75+/-), along with some NYC driving, and however much stop/go the turnpike brings. I did get 32 once heading south, but that was a little slower speed overall (65-70), without too much traffic.
So, I actually get the EPA numbers or slightly better (on a trip), and about 10% above the city figure around town.
It would be nice to get a few more MPG, but I blame the gearing more than anything else. This engine does not need to be geared so short, but it is what it is.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
A steady 60 for 150 miles got 33 mpg, then 100 miles of 2-lane mountain roads sank it to 28 mpg, then 150 miles of aggressive 75-80 mph only brought it up to 29 mpg.
Filled up after those 400 miles and checked the mileage manually at 28 mpg.
Conclusions:
The instantaneous average mpg on the computer display was pretty accurate.
At slow steady speed, cars need very little gas to roll along.
Using the throttle for speed changes, hills and high speed reduces mpg a lot.
My 2.6L Mazda truck: 60 mph is 2500 rpm, 30 mpg.
Scion xB 1.5L: 60 mph is 3500 rpm (?), 34 mpg (?).
At a steady 60 mph on the Interstate, the mileage for these very different vehicles is pretty close. But aggressive driving with constant braking and accelerating wil change the mileage dramatically. To constantly accelerate the heavy Buick in city driving will drop the mpg to 15, whereas the same driving with the light Scion will only drop the mpg to 25.
Best mileage car I have is slippery GM sedan -- 3600 lbs, 200+ hp and easy 30+ highway mpg...and that's at 75 to 80.
It's all about wind resistance....
How is 31 - 35MPG bad mileage? :confuse: I think it's very good mileage, especially for a 'box'. The PT Cruiser (much more 'slippery' than the XB) gets only about 26mpg.
Does anyone else think the car is a little quicker, and gets better mileage, with premium fuel?
If an engine is designed for premium gas, it should be able to tolerate regular gas due to a safety feature of its electronic ignition control. Those cars that have high enough compression to require premium gas, also have a knock sensor that retards the ignition when regular gas is used. The engine runs OK on regular, but at reduced power and efficiency.
If the tC were to run better on premium gas, it would have had to be designed to run better on premium gas, and so it would run at a disadvantage on regular gas. The tC would have to have a compression ratio that needed premium gas to maximize its potential. Its manual would explain this.
That is wrong. Completely wrong.
Here's something from an article on EPA fuel economy numbers from an article in the Washington Post:
"The EPA does not test vehicles for fuel economy. Instead, it issues guidelines that automakers use to test their own vehicles. Agency officials said the EPA audits 10 percent of the tested vehicles for accuracy"
Here's the link:
"> Mileage Numbers To Reflect Reality
Other than a 10% price difference, Do you know the difference between "premium" and "regular"?
(Hint: is is NOT "more energy per unit volume for the hi priced stuff")
Still, the idea of different BTU content per unit volume is not a myth. Here's what a simple google will tell you - this from the State of Hawaii but I suppose I could find out even more if I really tried.
The energy content of a gallon of gasoline ranges from about 109,000 to 125,000 Btu. The average is about 114,000 Btu. The energy content of diesel fuel is between about 128,000 and 130,000 Btu per gallon (lower heating value).
If an alternate fuel has fewer Btus, your vehicle won't go as far (generally speaking). So, to go the same distance, you have to use more gallons.
Arco (around here anyway) has gas with ethanol mixed in and it has 76,000 BTU's per gallon. So, when you mix it in with gas, you get poorer mileage, eh?
"Other than a 10% price difference, Do you know the difference between "premium" and "regular"?
(Hint: is is NOT "more energy per unit volume for the hi priced stuff")"
The only difference is the octane rating. Do you know what that is?