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2013 and earlier BMW 7-Series Lease Questions

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Greetings gildrv. It is difficult to say what BMW will do with its future incentives on the 7-Series. If I had to make an educated guess, I would say that it is more likely that BMW would lower the money factor of the 2008 7-Series in coming months than raise the $5,000 cash incentive. Regardless of where the support comes from, it definitely would not be shocking to see BMW enhance the '08 7-Series' lease program. Again though there definitely is no guarantee that this will happen.

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  • jb2inbocajb2inboca Member Posts: 3
    Hello Car_man:

    Can you provide me with some information. I am a current 745i owner. My lease with BMW financial services is expiring next month. Can you tell me what the current Dealer Incentives and the Money Factor is for a 2008 750i with 12K miles per year. Also, when do the those figures expire. I read (not that I believe everything I read on the internet, but it can't hurt to verify) somewhere that BMW financial services was offering a special incentive to returning 7 series owners. Is there any truth to this. Thanks for all your help Car_man!
  • ocautoseekerocautoseeker Member Posts: 425
    Where are you located, FL? There's a $5k manufacturer-to-dealer cash that can be used towards reducing your cap.

    24 month / 12k-mi residual is 67% and carries a buy rate mf of .00200.

    36 month / 12k-mi residual is 57% and carries a buy rate mf of .00200.

    Rates good through Feb 29.
  • jb2inbocajb2inboca Member Posts: 3
    I am located in South Florida near Fort Lauderdale (Coconut Creek to be exact).

    Thanks for the info ocautoseeker!
  • wease944wease944 Member Posts: 20
    Hi ,
    I hate to sound stupid but I must admit that I am. I cant figure out what a good lease is . I see " Residual" and "Buy Rate" , but I dont understand. I have a 745i sport that is coming off the lease in April. My dealer says that the new deal ends tomorrow. He says it's a special deal for 7 series owners. The car I picked cost $88945.00 on a 2 year lease ( I want 3 years but the deal is only 2years). He quoted me $830 a month with 7k down with 12k miles. He said he could get me 15k for the same price. I want the BEST deal !!! What should this car cost me?
    Also, I love my sport package but hate the seats. I am thinking of getting the air ride system that he says can adjust to the sport suspension? Do you have any recomendations?
    Thanks Rich
  • ocautoseekerocautoseeker Member Posts: 425
    Residual Value is what the vehicle is "projected" to be worth at the end of a specific term (ie. 24/36/48 months). The longer the term, the lower the residual value will be. The difference between the price you negotiate (cap cost) and the residual is known as the deprecitaion and thus what you pay + interest and local tax.

    Buy rate is the base cost of the money from a lending institution. So, assume the buy rate money factor is .00200 (current buy rate mf for 24 & 36 mo terms) , which equates to 4.8% apr. If this were the buy rate (the lowest rate available), this is the rate you'd want the dealer to use to calculate your payments.

    Now, dealer's CAN mark this rate rate up to what they call a sell rate to make additional profit, but if you have decent credit and you're aware of the buy rate for the particualr model you're looking at, that's the rate you should get.

    Tomorrow is the end of the month, so the dealer could very well be pushing you to do something to hit his quota, but deals aren't going away on the 7series as it's up for a redesign and you're most-likely going to see incentives continue.

    I definitely DO NOT recommend you putting $7k into a lease.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 235,175
    Ditto on everything..

    But, there is a great deal on 7-series leases this month, for current 7-series lessees... So, you don't want to pass that up.... but, that doesn't mean that this particular salesperson isn't trying to take you to the cleaners...

    The best deal is on the 24 month lease, because there is a huge upfront dealer cash incentive on the lease..

    If the dealer can make the same deal on 15K/yr lease, then that just means he has room to come down on his price.. Ask him to requote the deal with just the minimum due at signing (under $1500)..

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  • jim53jim53 Member Posts: 118
    what is the current 24 month lease deal you referred to? is it only for returning 7 series owners or any returning bmw owner?
  • wease944wease944 Member Posts: 20
    The lease deal is only for current 7 series owners.My friend wants a similar car and they quoted him $140 more a month because he's not returning a 7 series.
  • wease944wease944 Member Posts: 20
    So what should the lease price be on a car that has a msrp of $88945.00 on a 2 year lease . Edmunds tmv says $82500.00..
  • jb2inbocajb2inboca Member Posts: 3
    Does anybody know what the March dealer incentives and the money factor is for a 2008 750i with 12K miles per year. Also, are there any specials for returning seven series leases through BMW financial services.
  • wease944wease944 Member Posts: 20
    I was told the deal for feb might still be available if your persistant. It is only for a 7 series owner going into a new 7 series. Its a 24 month lease.I just ordered a new one on Friday (750li). Here is the deal I got 89k msrp. I did put money down against the advise from people here. I am walking in with $7000.00 for everything and my payment is $799.00. I thought it was a good deal . I got 12k a year. I have to say that I feel if I was REALLY persistant I could have knocked off a little more.
    I bought it at Prestige Bmw in NJ.
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    A friend of mine picked up a 750i with MSRP of around 81000 with zero down for 880 per month + tax (24 months lease).

    That $5000 dealer cash incentive really helps...
  • rjgill55rjgill55 Member Posts: 1
    I am seeing some great lease rates being advertised on the 750 series with no mention of it being offered only to prior 750 leasees....basically an msrp of $81k+ with $1500 down would be $898 per month. Has anyone seen this for us newbies to the 750 series?
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    Yes, it is for everyone, due to the $5000 Dealer Rebate.

    You should be able to get under $898 on 750 with zero down for 81k-MSRP.
    This assumes a .002 Money Factor. Remember that you can lower it further with adding Multiple Security Deposits to your lease....

    I would Say on 81k MSRP you should try to negotiate a Cap Cost of around 70k-71k.
  • broham1broham1 Member Posts: 8
    I have read that the current base money factor is .0020. I have also read that the money factor can be reduced with a security deposit. Can a $1000.00 security deposit enabl eme to get a mmoney factor below .0020, if so what will that money factor be.

    I am evaluating the following terms posted on the BMW website.

    Cap Cost $85,270.00
    Payment $3,500.00
    Secury Deposit (1000.00)
    Net Cap Cost $81,770.00
    Residual 58% $49,456.60
    Money Factor ?
    Term 36

    Payment $999.00
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    What is the MSRP? If it is below 96k you may be overpaying.

    Each extra security deposit reduces the Money Factor by .00007. And you can do around 7 of these. So you can reduce the money factor from .002 to about .0015

    Also ask about single payment lease that reduces the money factor significantly

    Also don't forget that the Acquisition fee BMW charges is $625, but the dealership will try to charge you $825, so that is negotiable.

    MACO is a vaild charge and should be $250, Training can be around $180. So I would call these fees reasonable. As the dealership does pay them (not on European delivery)
  • neenneen Member Posts: 12
    Can someone tell me if i am off on my numbers? I faxed a proposal for a 2008 750 li (msrp 86.620) to local dealers:
    Cap cost: 79,642 (based on edmunds tmv)
    Money factor: .002
    Term: 24 month
    Residal : 67% of MSRP
    Payment at lease signing : 3022.00 (includes 1st mo, acquisition fee, security and licene/reg fees)
    787.22/month

    I am trading a 2007 CLS550 and using equity from trade.
  • bkennedy55bkennedy55 Member Posts: 5
    Car Man ( and/or others)

    Just looking for some feedback on a quote I received today....

    MSRP- $87,920
    Cap Cost- $79500
    ZERO Down
    Residual- 57% ( 50,114)
    Money Factor- 0.00225( started at 0.00255) with a one month security deposit( equivalent to 0.00240 when add the security dep??- that is what salesman said)
    12,000 miles annually
    36 month lease
    Acquisition Fee of $825- which seems like it is standard

    I am trying to figure out where I should push? I am pushing for 0.00200 ( 4.8% equiv) as I have seen others mention thru this forum.

    Possibly looking at getting the Residual Bumped up to 58%...or lowering the cap cost down another $1,000....

    I have offered to the dealer that i could consider just paying cash or finance thru a purchase- but he didn't seem to be interested....

    I would love to hear some feedback on where you believe I could move as this would be my first lease....

    Thank you very much for your help,
  • nlproductionsnlproductions Member Posts: 25
    Car Man - Can you provide info on (a) the current BMW FS leas program (residual value and MF) for 2 and 3 year leases (@15k miles per year) for the BMW 7 Series and (b) any other ongoing incentives on the 7 Series.

    Thanks!
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    First of all you are paying too much for it the Cap cost should be 75-76k

    I assume you are doing a 12k lease?
    How much are they giving you for the trade in? Unless you know exactly you cant tell if you are getting a good deal.

    I suspect not.
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    Acquisition fee is negotiable from 625-825.

    you should be able to knock off another 2k or so for the cap cost. Money Factor of .002 is standard. These cars are not selling like hot cakes, so dealer will agree to .002, or threaten to fax offer to all dealers in state.

    Residual is basically not negotiable, if you want .58 go for 10k mile lease.

    As you know you can also lower money factor below .002 by paying extra refundable security deposits.

    Good luck.
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    I do not have April yet, but March rates were:

    24 Months residual is 65% for 15k lease .00200 money factor.
    36 Months residual is 55% for 15k lease .00200 money factor.

    There is a $5000 Manufacturer to Dealer incentive through 4/30
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi broham1. BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor for the 2008 750iL is indeed .00200. New BMW FS lessees have to pay one security deposit, equivalent to their car's monthly payment rounded up to the nearest $50 increment, to get this factor. BMW FS has a multiple security deposit program that enables lessees to reduce their vehicle's money factor. Consumers receive a .00007 for every additional deposit they make, up to a maximum of seven.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi neen. The money factor that you were quoted is right in line with BMW Financial Services' buy rate for this car. That is a good thing. However, savvy consumers who are in areas that have a decent level of competition are usually able to negotiate better prices than the Edmunds.com TMV. BMW is currently providing $5,000 dealer cash on the 2008 7-Series. Plus there is a gap of over $6,000 between this car's full MSRP and its dealer invoice price. That gives you a total of more than $11,000 to play with during your negotiations. I am not intimately familiar with what the market is like for the 750Li right now, but there is a reason why BMW feels the need to put $5,000 dealer cash on it. This implies to me that this car isn't exactly flying out the door. If I was in the market for this car, I personally would want a larger discount than the $7,000 that you were quoted.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi bkennedy55. Let's start with the money factor and acquisition fee. The dealer is marking both of these items up to add additional back-end profit to your deal. This is not surprising, BMW dealers are notorious for doing this. It can often be avoided by savvy consumers who know what the base numbers are. BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor for a 36 month lease of a 2008 750Li is .00200 for lessees who pay a security deposit at lease signing. BMW FS' base acquisition fee is $625. Your car's residual value is set in stone and this dealer does not have the authority to alter it.

    As I mentioned in my previous post, BMW is currently providing $5,000 dealer cash on the 2008 7-Series. Plus there is a gap of over $6,000 between this car's full MSRP and its dealer invoice price. That gives you a total of more than $11,000 to play with during your negotiations. I am not intimately familiar with what the market is like for the 750Li right now, but there is a reason why BMW feels the need to put $5,000 dealer cash on it. This implies to me that this car isn't exactly flying out the door. If I was in the market for this car, I personally would not be surprised if you were able to negotiate the additional $1,000 discount that you mentioned on this car.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hey nlproductions. I need to double check to make sure that BMW has not bade any unscheduled changes, but its March lease program was supposed to run through April 30th. BMW Financial Services' buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24 month lease of a 2008 750Li with 15,000 miles per year are .00200 and 65%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 36 month lease are .00200 and 55%. When negotiating your lease on this car, make sure to take the $5,000 dealer cash that BMW is providing on it into account.

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  • bkennedy55bkennedy55 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks folks for your help.... on Monday- last day of the month- all the BMW dealers in the DFW area started pouring in with the offers... Some were just so far out of the game- it was so obvious there were trying to take advantage...

    I worked all 4 of them to get, what i hope, was the best deal

    Here is what I got....

    MSRP- 89,620- sport 750LI
    Invoice- 82,4210
    Cap Cost- 79,620
    Money Factor- 0.00200
    Residual Value- 57% ( 12,000 miles/ yr) on 36 months

    They delivered the car to my house the next morning- in and out in 30 minutes without stepping foot in the dealership. Great experience in my opinion....

    The questions and answers definitely helped a lot in educating me on leases- and what to shoot for on this lease.

    Thanks again...
  • bkennedy55bkennedy55 Member Posts: 5
    Forgot to add- zero down....
  • eric312eric312 Member Posts: 71
    How much was the monthly payment without sales tax?
  • fripullofripullo Member Posts: 9
    Is this a good deal? According to all the posting i have room to negotiate

    MSRP $89,270.00
    CAP Cost $82,000.00 (i should get them to drop this to $81K)
    MF: .002______ (that's what they showed me; i need to confirm what the true MF is)
    ACQ Fee: $825
    Drive off and money down: $4k
    Monthly payment is based 36 mos and 10k miles a yr: $1,153.73
    the residual is $51,776.60

    If the invoice on a 750il is $72,590k, i would think we could get the cap cost down more.

    Thoughts and feedback
  • bkennedy55bkennedy55 Member Posts: 5
    About $1050.... I did a one pay lease and saved the sales tax...
  • bkennedy55bkennedy55 Member Posts: 5
    You should be able to get the cap cost( selling price) down under 80k for an MSRP over 89k. At least I did.... 1 dealer- got down to 78,500 on an MSRP of 87.5k
  • monstuhmonstuh Member Posts: 1
    My 2005 745iL lease expires end of april. What is a good cap cost on an MSRP of 87570 and invoice of 81000. Looks like there is a 5K incentive. Southern california dealer recommendations would also be great.
  • fripullofripullo Member Posts: 9
    look at posting #137 April 6th. That came from a South Orange county dealer.

    I've been told i can get the cap cost lower than the original dealer offer.
    .
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    I would say Cap Cost of 77k would be doable.
  • jabes30jabes30 Member Posts: 5
    This is the offer I received today on a 2008 750i:

    4000 under Invoice

    Money factor .00225 Said the increase from .002 was to waive a security deposit. Told me this was necessary...even though I have leased or financed 3 cars through BMW financial Got done with the last one only a month ago. How much BS was I given???

    36 month residuals:

    .55 for 15k
    .57 for 12k

    I asked for breakdown of all fees but was not given the Acquisition Fee. I know it should be about $625.

    Please let me know about the Money Factor.

    Thanks you!!!
  • jim53jim53 Member Posts: 118
    sounds like BS to me especially since you are a return BMW FS customer. In any event, I would recommend putting down the maximum multiple security deposits (up to 9 used to be permitted) to buy down the money factor even further. I have done it on my last 3 BMW leases and it is a very good return on your money.
  • zornespzornesp Member Posts: 3
    Hello Folks! -- A question for Mr. Car_Man;

    Am looking at doing a 24 month lease on an 08 750Li -- would appreciate your review to see if I'm getting a good deal - or where there's room to negotiate further with the dealer here in Florida...

    2008 750Li
    Black/Black Leather/Dark Wood
    Convenience Package, Luxury Seating Package, Premium Sound Package, Sport Package, Comfort Access, HD Radio, Sirius Radio

    $89,620 MSRP
    $79,200 Selling Price

    Lease 24mo. x $1416 :surprise:
    12,000 miles per year
    1st payment only due at signing
    67% residual (68% for 10,000 miles per year)
    .00215 buy-rate with no security deposit
    .00255 money factor on lease

    Is this a good deal? Also working on the acquisition fee - getting it down to $625.

    Thanks -- Mike
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    You are addressing Car_Man but I will try to answer in case this is time sensitive....

    Not a good deal at all. Cap cost is good but Money factor is not.

    Even with the higher .00255 Money factor your payment before taxes should only be $1,153.

    with the correct money factor of .00200 it should be $1076. A bit higher then that if you do not pay security deposit.

    So the dealer is taking you for a expensive ride...

    Not sure what you mean by "buy rate"...

    Anyhow good luck...
  • zornespzornesp Member Posts: 3
    Actually - there's also 8.25% tax (I beleive) being added to the $79K cap price (as the car will be shipped to TX - was advised we need to pay TX taxes) - thus, there's around $6500 in taxes that have to be paid too. -- thus the $1400/month rate includes the taxes (split over 24 months)
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    The $1400 a month rate is just very very high for this car right now. Also when you lease a car the only taxes paid is based on your monthly payment.
  • zornespzornesp Member Posts: 3
    Unfortunately - as the car will be titled and registered in Texas -- one of the #(#@(@ states that requires you to pay taxes on the FULL cap purchase price (we're down to $77K on the $89K MSRP) -- we've got ~6300 in taxes to pay over the 2 years added to our monthly lease (or write a $6200 check up front and pay the taxes separately).

    We got the MF down to .00215, acq fee to $625, and selling price to $77,290 - our monthly payments (before taxes) are $1039, Heck of a good deal.

    Working on figuring out a way to potentially initially register the vehicle in Florida while doing the finance deal (i.e. finally get around to getting a Florida license - they allow "part time" licenses and allow you to keep your state license. Register the car in Florida (Miami - Dade county is the deal place) - have the tags sent to us in Texas; and re-register the car in Texas later this year. As we have a condo in Miami - I already consider myself a "part-time" resident - we spend 3-4 months a year there; just never thought about getting a FL Drivers License.

    Anyone ever done this before?

    Will be a big savings on the monthly payment -- our monthly taxes will be arounmd $65 a month (total payment 1103) vs $262 for Texas Taxes (the 6300 / 24 months), or a payment of 1301. Nearly $200 month savings over 24 months, $4800 (or in my mind, close enough to call it $5K).

    Appreciate feedback/thoughts
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 235,175
    I'm not real familiar with Texas tax regulations.. but, I think you'll have a hard time bringing in a leased car, without paying tax on it.. Even though you'll be titling it in Florida, it will be owned by BMWFS, not you...

    My guess is that it won't be any different from a Florida resident moving to Texas with a leased car.. If they are only paying tax on the payment in Florida, they'll have to pay Texas taxes on the value of the car, once they move. It's not the same as owning a car that you've already paid the full tax on..

    So... if you can lease the car as a Florida resident, more power to you... but, I think you'll have to keep the Florida registration for the entire term of the lease to realize any savings.

    regards,
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  • jackk1jackk1 Member Posts: 9
    Two questions. I am looking at a 2008 750li with a MSRP of 91,975. Is there still an incentive for this vehicle, similar to the $5000 that was due to expire on April 30? With a cap cost of $80k what would the 24 month 15k mi. payment be using the May rates?

    Thanks.
  • iggsoiggso Member Posts: 31
    That $5000 has been extended to 5/5 so you still have 1 day. I believe April Rates have also been extended through 5/5.

    Cap cost of 80k is pretty good on your build, and that does mean you are getting the 5k. rebate included. I hope that is with zero down!

    Based on April rates (again extended through 5/5) your
    monthly payment should be (before taxes) $1121.91

    If you add 7 refundable security deposits your payment will be $1053.41

    Also just for example if you do 12k instead of 15k lease you will lower your payment to $1048.94 ($979.45 with 7 MSD)

    Good luck...
  • nlproductionsnlproductions Member Posts: 25
    Car Man:

    1. Has the 5K incentive been extended through May?
    2. If not, was is the current promotion?
    3. What are the May residual & money factors for the 750i on a 24 month / 15K lease?

    Thanks so much for all your help! Every two years I look forward to your expertise.
  • jackk1jackk1 Member Posts: 9
    Apparently everything is the same as last month, except the residual has gone from 65% to 64%.

    Please post your deal if you make one. I am also looking to lease one before the June 1 price increase.

    Good luck.
  • bigdaddybruinbigdaddybruin Member Posts: 1
    Still offering $5000 from Factory
    3 Year 15k lease on 750i
    -Lowered Residual from 55% to 54%
    -If you are current BMW FS customer you are eligible for .0010 money factor. In the past you needed to be previous 7 series inorder to get .0010 for a new 7 series. Now you qualify for 7 series at .0010 even if you were a 5 series owner.

    Just got mine
  • nlproductionsnlproductions Member Posts: 25
    Big Daddy Bruin

    Would you consider posting your details - MSRP, options and your cap cost? Also what dealership you delt with, it would be a great help to me!
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