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Total due at signing - $3,494.52
First monthly payment $358.76
Fees: $377
Acq. fee $595.00
Cap reduction tax $164.92
Down payment: $1,999
Security deposit $0.00
Money factor is 0.00157 on 21 months.
Residual at 71% with value of $25,162.40 at end of term.
$331.42 base payment + 8.25% monthly use tax $27.34 equals $358.76 per month.
MSRP of $35,440, invoice of $32,543, and initial cap cost of $32,293.
Thanks!
I assume your offer is for an '07 coupe. If so, you should know that there is a $1500 cash to dealer incentive for '07 G35 Coupes...
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/infiniti/g35/100819281/incentives.html
This means that your agreed upon value (i.e., sell price) should be $1500 below invoice ($32,543.00 - $1,500.00 = $31,043.00).
If you can avoid putting money down, you would be well advised to do so. A car is a depreciating asset and if you total the vehicle, you're not very likely to recover your down payment. The $387 fee I'll assume includes a doc fee and license fee.
So, here's what I have...
Adj. Cap = $31,043.00
Zero Down
Residual = $25,162.40
MF = 0.00157
Term = 21 months
Base Payment = 0.00157(31,043.00 + 25,162.40) + (31,043.00 - 25,162.40)/21
= 368.27
Payment w/tax @8.25% = 398.65
Items Due at Lease Signing...
1st. Payment = 398.65
Fees = 377.00
Acq. Fee = 595.00
TOTAL DUE = 1,370.65... assuming none of the fees are taxable.
Although the difference in payments means an additional $840 (21 x $40) over the term of the lease, you're saving about $2,130 (3,500 - 1,370) up front which translates to a net savings of about $1,290 (2,130 - 840).
Now, isn't that much better? I suggest you bank the $1,999 down payment and use it to subsidize your lease payments if neecessary. Otherwise, use it to take a nice well deserved vacation.
John
I was told that if I wanted to cut a deal like I was looking for then I would need to go the Cincinatti or Chicago to do so. I told them fine and have a nice day!
2nd dealer today got very upset when I brought up the $1500 support from Infiniti. Of course he did not know anything about this either. He then asked how much money I thought the dealer should make on the car. I told him I thought around $500 was fair. He told me that a car dealers overhead was $50,000 per month and with deals like that they might as well close up. He then told me I was not the kind of customer they were interested in.
Am I way off here? Or am I just getting off on the wrong foot to start this purchase. Both dealers were told that I had a fico of 713 and I had NO trade in.
Should I look at a different brand? Any help you could offer would be GREATLY appreciated.
Jim
Bob
I assume you're looking at an '07 G35 Coupe. If you read some of the posts in the Infinity forums, you'll discover that there are folks getting the '07 G35 Coupes for $1500 below invoice. I would speak with other dealers. In fact, it may behoove you to look out of state as well. And so, $1500 below invoice is not unrealistic for '07 G35 Coupes.
One comment...
NEVER EVER tell a dealer how much you think that they should make on a car. It's a trap and leads to unnecessary conversation. Furthermore, it is a ridiculous question. I have gotten that question too. My response is that I have no clue and, frankly, don't care. I have no idea what their costs are and don't have sufficient data to contruct a profitability profile as I would need access to both revenues and costs. What they make on a car is none of my business and I couldn't care less. Like Vito Corleone (God Father) once said... "I don't get involved with things that don't concern me."
I ALWAYS FAX/email a one page lease proposal. Every number is spot on. The dealer only has to respond with a YES or NO. If yes, then they can transfer the numbers on my proposal onto the lease agreement. I tell them to have the keys and papers ready for me to sign. That's all there is to it. If they ask me how I arrived at the Agreed Upon Value (sell price) or some other silly questions, I tell them that it's irrelevant. What is relevant is whether or not they can do the deal. And so, all I want to hear is YES we can or; NO we can't. If the answer is no, I simply FAX/email another dealer.
John
"Is the cap reduction tax that is included in the drive off negotiable?"
Tax on anything taxable is never negotiable. If you owe Uncle Sam $X, that's non-negotiable.
John
I am going to look out of state for the car. And yes it is the G35 coupe.
Thanks for the great advice! I guess I am going to PLAY dumb and stupid to be in their game. I'm just beginning this journey and am sick of it all ready!
Thanks again for your comments! I appreciate ya!
Jim
Good luck! If you need further assistance, let me know.
John
Thanks much for taking your time to respond to my question.
You're correct, it is '07 Coupe, and the $387 fee includes:
License fee $274.00
CA Tire fee $8.75
Doc fee $45.00
Acq fee tax $49.09
Your calcs are exactly what I was hopping for to negotiate better terms with the dealer. I am too interested for a smaller initial out of pocket expense. I'll e-mail him my proposal (based on your inputs) and we'll see what's going to happen. I'll keep you posted.
Jas
MSRP 37815
Selling price 34230
MF .00227
Residual 55%
39 mons
18000/yr
0 down
0 SD
Is the MF and Res look right? Other posting seems to suggest the MF should be lower?
Let me know if I can help you with the lease proposal. If you examine some of my earlier posts, you'll discover that I have posted sample proposals.
Good luck!
John
I posted here the other day that the incentive can't be combined with the cheap lease rates. So there is a $1,500 to $2,000 dealer incentive, but only if you purchase or finance the car. If you want the discounted lease rates, the incentive does not apply.
Dennis
Anyone else having this problem???
Bluetooth
Dual-zone Auto. Climate
Heated Seats
Navigation would be nice, but I don't know if that would be feasible
Lease she's looking for:
Either 36Month/15k or 36Month/12k
Can afford up to about $500 per month, but closer to 450 would be great
Credit is great
As I was reading on here I'm noticing that they seem to be able to negotiate the price quite a bit on the 07 G sedans? Are there many 07s left on the lots? I'm hoping someone could help me out with a couple model suggestions if mine isn't the best and with some numbers so I can get an idea of things and try to understand all of this. Any help would be VERY MUCH appreciated. Thanks
Okay, I understand you want some help setting up a lease proposal for a plain vanilla '07 G35 Coupe. First, I suggest you check edmunds or kbb for MSRP/Invoice pricing and incentives. I believe there is a $1500 cash to dealer incentive for '07 coupes. Search the Infiniti forums to see what the money factor (buy rate) and residual factor is as well as what others are paying in terms of a sell price.
I'm a math guy and don't care much for data collection. And so, I'll leave it up to you to fetch the actual data. Here is an outline of what you need to do...
There are three formulas that you need to understand.
(1) A = V + F - K
(2) R = Residual Factor x MSRP
(3) P = M x (A + R) + (A - R)/N
where:
A = Adj. Cap Cost
V = Agreed Upon Value (Sell Price)
F = Amounts Financed (capitalized) in the lease
K = Capitalized Cost Reductions
R = Residual Value
P = Payment (may or may not include taxes depending upon whether or not taxes are capitalized in the lease).
M = Money Factor
N = Term (months)
Now, consider the following hypothetical example...
MSRP = 37,000
V = 33,000
F = 600 (acquisition Fee)
K = 1,000
A = 32,600
Res. Factor = 54%
R = 0.54 x 37,000 = 19,980
MF = 0.00180
Term = 36 months
Base Payment = 0.00180 x (32,600 + 19,980) + (32,600 - 19,980)/36
= 445.20
If your state taxes the payment streams and your sales tax rate is 6.00%, then
Payment w/ tax = 471.91
Items Due at Lease Signing...
1st. Payment = 471.91
Sec. Dep. = 475.00
TTL = 150.00
TOTAL DUE = 1,096.91
You may want to look at some of my sample lease proposals in this forum as well as others (e.g., Post #893 in the Lexus RX350 forum... aujoe1, "Lexus RX 350: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #874, 20 Aug 2007 8:05 pm).
If you still need some help, please email me and I'll be happy to provide any needed assistance.
John
Medina, Ohio
Bob, good luck.
In an August 13 post, you state...
4707 of 4747 Re: went to the dealer today... [binzo] by dwynne Aug 13, 2007 (4:51 pm)
Bookmark | Replying to: binzo (Aug 13, 2007 3:13 pm)
"I have no idea if that a good deal or not, you would start with the price you paid for the G35 - the cap cost - and see. With the current $1,500 dealer incentive you should have paid close to $1,500 under invoice."
And then, on August 23, you state this...
#1850 of 1859 Re: G35 Coupe Lease - Please comment [delta737h] by dwynne Aug 23, 2007 (3:27 pm)
Replying to: delta737h (Aug 22, 2007 6:29 pm)
"I posted here the other day that the incentive can't be combined with the cheap lease rates. So there is a $1,500 to $2,000 dealer incentive, but only if you purchase or finance the car. If you want the discounted lease rates, the incentive does not apply."
Seems contradictory to me but I could be mistaken because of some misunderstanding. If so, my apologies.
John
24 mo/15K mile lease - $590/mo with only startups down (1500 or so)
39 mo/15K mile lease 550/mo with the same startups down
I live in the metro detroit area.
Seemed a bit high. Any advice or suggestions on what to shoot for would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
I called IFS to see if I could renegotiate the Residule and was told NO. I did receive a two month extension that runs month to month. My lease comes off in October but with new extension I can wait until December when prices will start to fall or better lease specials may present themselves.
445 month tax in
1500 out of pakcet
39 months
.00199 MF
57.5% residual
07 g35 coupe with premium, aero, sports packages and XM radio in diamond Graphite
as per the edmunds site the car has a MSRP of$39,515 and Invoice of $36,089
in order for this price to work i am getting the car at 33,500 more or less.
Blue Slate with black interior.... Premium package with Sirus. Here's the run down...
24 MONTH LEASE (10,000 MILES)
2700 DUE AT SIGNING (FEASES, TAXES AND FIRST MONTH PAYMENT)
MSRP -37,465
INVOICE - 34,528
SELLING PRICE - 33,898
NY SALES TAX - 8.375
RESIDUAL - (BOOK) 67% (NET) 68%
MONEY FACTOR - .00169
MONTHLY PAYMENT - $450.00
It took me a long time to get at this price. The manager came out and did his whole routine about he is in the "red" and couldn't do anything else. The dealer said the lowest he could go was $499 but the manager came out and showed me the work sheet to see how much he was eating.
So with that being said I think it's a solid deal... What do you guys think?
VPP offering:
15k/Yr for 39 Months
MF = .00207
Resid = 56%
Monthly = $506 No cap cost.
I also got the 10k milage so that could be why mine is less. I also got the splash guards and cargo net as well. But no wheel locks
I test drove the M and the G and got pricing on both.
Since this is a G group I'll just give you that.
G35x (didn't have to be from stock)
Premium Package
Navigation Package
12k/year
39 months
I told him I wanted to put down 5k (excluding tax and dmv fees) and he came back with slightly under $8300. That included tax, dmv, and all their nonsense (acq, wheel locks, prep etc).
Monthly would be $350
Opinions?
1) My wife is obsessed with the monthly payments looking like what we're used to paying for a car. We've always owned Nissan's (currently an Xterra and an Altima) and we've usually engineered the purchase to have payments in the 300's. She's not in love with us leasing (or as she puts it, renting) so I better not come home with a lease payment HIGHER than a purchase payment (ignoring the fact it's a 38k car, not 22k
2) I'll be selling the Altima and expect to pocket about 7k. When I told the dealer I wanted to pay 5k (excluding tax and DMV) I was assuming he'd come back with 7k total down, the $8300 total threw me off a little but then the $350 a monthly was less than I thought.
3) I thinking think about my car getting stolen or totaled...is gap not included? That was a stupid question. Nothing is ever included
That all said I gave myself a crash course on lease payments and here's what I think they did...
msrp: 39065
MF: .00207
CAP: 30400
Residual: 21798
Terms: 39
Miles: 12k/year
Payments w/ Tax: $349
The magic number for me is the CAP...how did they get from 39065 to 30400? Using my very fuzzy math I had it as $1500 under MSRP.
I thought that was a pretty good reason..
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2007 Infiniti G35X
Black/Black/Premium/Navigation
MSRP: $39265
MF: .00207
Down Payment: $1095
Net Cap: $35873
Residual: 57% ($22381)
Terms: 39 Months
Miles: 12k/year
Total due at signing was $3940 (down payment, first month, bank, tax up front, wheel locks, etc.)
Monthly: $466
In what was probably a rookie move I added factory wood for $312 (39*$8) making the monthly $474. They would have given me the wood for free if I took the showroom (Blue Slate) but I wanted the Black/Black.
They didn't have the exactly car in stock but expect it in 2 to 3 weeks.
Just wanted to thank everyone for the knowledge dump, especially "Kevin". I learned a ton.
In case anyone is looking for a similar car, I didn't fudge any of the numbers. I had them show me the break down (MF, residual, sell price, etc.)...just had to ask once.
The sell price was $36969...which was $2296 under MSRP which I thought was fair.
The only thing left for me to do is let my wife know
Also, I'm pondering the alarm/tint/remote start pacakge for 1k. I've had a remote start on every car I've owned but it annoys me it doesn't work on the way home (pulling into the station my car is too far from the train). I like the tint for my son (the sun manages to shine in his face no matter what I do). The alarm...egh, I don't really care about. The deal was alarm and remote for 1k, free tint. I'll give it some thought.
My dealer wants $700 just for the car starter. It requires the purchase of an additional keyfob which gets installed in the dash.
Your existing keyfob starts the car, with the use of the lock button being hit twice.
The lock button has a remarkable range, so that may work for you.
The alarm, I agree... eh.
I actually want an alarm, but not the 'pos' the dealer installs. I'd want something with GPS and they beep/txt message you if the car is moved or fondled in any way.
Tint, my dealer won't do.
They're in RI where it's not legal.
I'd only allow tint after knowing exactly what materials are being used, who's doing the install, and how it's being done.
That package for 1K is a good deal.
You just need to decide if you want it.
As for the down payment...
1) I said I "hoped" to pocket 7k...I haven't sold it yet. I need it until I take delivery.
2) NY, from what I think I read on this board, doesn't allow multiple security deposits
Anyone want to by a used Altima on Long Island