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If you're actually going to carry 8 on a daily basis, I would get a Suburban rather than a Tahoe. The third row is a bit roomier, and there is way more cargo space. I have a Yukon XL. We looked at Yukon and Tahoe first, for smaller size and slightly lower price, but I cannot imagine fitting a stroller in the back with the third row of seats up, not to mention a load of groceries, or luggage for a family vacation. Maybe the 2007 will be a little better. But for me, it was definitely worth the money to get the XL over the regular Yukon. Going camping we are able to fit a very large ice chest and two huge rubbermaid tubs full of food and gear in back with the third row up.
My gas mileage has been about 18 mpg overall (we have done about 75% highway driving). That is not far off of most minivans. And the 2007 models should be even better with improved aerodynamics and DOD.
I was watching for the redesign and if they don't have a folding 3rd row, I won't even consider it. I really expected them to offer IRS and that wouldn't have bothered me one bit. The usefulness to 95% of the buying public is more than worth the slight off-road losses. A Tahoe is not the ideal off-road vehicle regardless and even with IRS could make it just fine through routine off-roading conditions.
Rgs, JLH
It's good that you have other vehicles to use for towing and off roading. We had a 2004 Nissan Quest prior to our Yukon XL. I would agree that the 2nd and 3rd rows are much roomier in the van. However, the Yukon is much more comfortable for me at 6'3" (my right knee was always resting against the center console in every other vehicle I've driven). And our children are very young so there is still plenty of room back there. Since the YXL is our only vehicle (aside from my small company car), and we do a lot of camping, and plan to get a boat, we decided the big SUV was the best choice for all around family transportation, even though the van had more passenger space and a little better fuel economy.
I'm curious to see the new extended Ford Expedition. Will it have IRS and flat folding third row also? If so that might be the best compromise of SUV ability and minivan practicality. The Nissan Armada has pretty good space in the 2nd and third rows, which do fold flat, but the only thing with a decent amount of cargo space with all three rows in place is the Suburban/YXL.
I took someone with three kids out of an Odyssey recently and put them into an LX470. Does it have less room? Yes. Are the rearmost seats just in the way at all times? Yes. Did the buyers see this as a compromise they were willing to accept? Yes.
Look, if a van better fits your lifestyle, stop trying to make an SUV work for you. They are not for everyone.
Most people that use a third row on a common basis have a Suburban so you can have a third row and storage.
I have three kids, and use the third row often to take kids to school in our Tahoe. The removable seats are not a big issue.
I've seen the 07 Yukon XL and the Suburban. I wouldn't call them ugly, but I do prefer the Suburban over the Yukon in styling of the front grill and lights. I presently own a YXL 1500 and am very happy with it except it needs a bigger motor for pulling my 33' Travel Trailer. I wished they had the engine option when I bought mine, which it looks like they will be doing for the 1500 model in 07, good move.
If the Silverado follows the Suburban in design it will be fine with me. I like it's overall styling inside and out. I like it enough my next truck will be the Suburban 2500.
If you want to look at a ugly "truck", look at the Honda Ridgeline, but I don't call it a truck but more a glorified grocery getter. The Tacoma isn't any better in style and Dodge made a mistake when they redesigned thier front end.
The only two trucks with style on the market IMHO are GM and Ford.
What is new? GM's site offers ZERO information. Where I'm at, you can't get a Tahoe without a 3rd row seat unless it's a Z71 model. I have no use for the 3rd row and don't care to pay an extra grand for the privilege of a 3rd row nor several thousand more for a Z71 Tahoe. Finally, after several years, GM is giving away the 3rd row, discounting to zero $$$ the third row upgrade just to get rid of their 2006's.
Still, what are the improvements? The lousy brakes, wandering steering, tranny and rear end failures finally drove me back to Toyota after being a GM owner until 2003. GM offered competitive financing plus my GM Card $$$ plus $1000 owner loyalty in 2003, but my experience was my GM’s were seeing too much shop time so I went elsewhere. The only incentive I've seen was the employee pricing last summer, but I wasn't in the market at the time or I would have jumped despite my complaints, as the savings at the employee prices would have more than covered the misery of owning another GM.
So, once again, what are the improvements other than a redesigned body? I've read 218 posts here, and haven't read about a single improvement other than the looks, which also has its detractors.
#1 MPG - 16/21 vs 14/18 (5.3 E85 engine)
#2 25 more HP and 5lbs more torque.
#3 Steering is now rack & pinion vs recirculating ball
#4 Power lift gate and tumble second row.
#5 2 or 3 person third row seats.
#6 Navigation system
#7 2 rear parking systems (camera or ultrasonic)
#8 StabiliTrak standard on all
#9 Tire Presure monitor standard
#10 17" or 20" wheels
#11 head-curtain side, for all rows; with rollover sensor
#12 Remote starter option
#13 Heated second row seats
#14 Steering wheel-mounted controls(cruise and audio)standard.
#15 New frame design. GMT-900 platform(3 inches longer)
#16 more sound proofing
The biggest issue I see is no fold down 3rd row (not a big deal to everyone), it gained nearly 500lbs of weight and the updated 5.3 gained HP and Torque but both peak at higher rpm (not what you want in an SUV, particularly when saddled with the same POS 4 speed).
I think the new model addresses most of the previous models issues, but it I still don't see anything revolutionary.
As, for the improved fuel economy, I'll believe it when I see it. Every preliminary road test I've read still reports fuel mileage in the 14s. But any improvement is welcome, particularly considering the weight gain.
In the past I have typically gotten EPA numbers on normal engines. My '02 Tahoe would exceed the EPA numbers on long highway trips, some legs were as high as 20mpg. Generally it averaged in the 16mpg range. The Ody does not get BAD gas mileage for the size/performance, but it doesn't get near the EPA numbers either on normal highways. It's about 400# less than the our Tahoe and has very similar real-world performance. I'm averaging about 20mpg and routinely see 24mpg on the highway trips.
If I run 55-60mph (some 4-lane state roads here) the VCM stays on nearly constant and I've seen very high mpg on those trips. I think you'd have to run those speeds to see the EPA numbers on any of these VCM/DOD/MDS engines, particulaly the more heavy/non-aerodynamic trucks.
I hope that they will offer lots of upscale options on either Tahoe or the Denali. (As a guy who prefers Brooks Bros. to gold chains, work to leisure, and leadership to lounging around, the 'Slade image is 180 degrees out from who I am. As a result, I wouldn't even consider a 'Slade). Options such as pull down window shades (like on my Cayenne), a leather upgrade (maybe by Coach or Crouch and Fitzgerald?), some serious tires, not the cheapest OEM sneakers they can get away with, maybe a dual Optima gel cell battery option (call it a 'Security Package'), a Brembo brake package, a heated windshield (like on Jag and LR) because people do go skiing in these, a full length sky roof like on a Maybach, etc. would be nice options that would move GM upscale and improve the margins. I'd love to see a 5 or even 6 speed tranny and the 6.0 engine offerred as an option. Like Dodge in their pickups, there might even be a market for diesel in a half ton vehicle. Some people might pop for the diesel--especially if it came with an Allison--but not want to drive a 3/4 ton 2500 Series. In short, for the vehicle to be nice (and for GM to make some mone)I hope they offer a lengthy set of very upscale options.
I've tried the above scenario with a minivan that had a removable third row seat. Ended up leaving the third row seat at home to make room for junk. Thus, upon arrival we had to take two vehicles every where we went. Add the hassle of lugging the seats in and out, finding a place to store them when out, etc. and you have a real pain in the backside. Just folding the seats over the way GM offers does not help as they still eat into cargo room and don't leave a flat floor for lugging home large items from town.
This seemed like such a no brainer for GM. What were they thinking? :confuse:
Aparently you are not comparing Apples to Apples
The 1991&1997 models you had until 2003
Are in no way a comparison to the 2001 & up to 06
They are great reliable trucks.
I owned 4 of them in the last 5 years
2 tahoes 2002 & YUKON 2003 and a 2004 yukon
They are still within the family & running great
and we dont want to get rid of them.
As far as the stopping & Transmission
Like i said before--you CANNOT COMPARE THE QUALITY
of the previous models before 2000. FOR THE SIZE OF THE TRUCKS" THEY STOP TERRIFICLY AND THE TRANNSMISSIONS
CAN PULL AND TOW WHAT OTHER JEEPS CANNOT WITHOUT A SLIP.
The third seat issue--> You could have ordered one without the third seat -so i dont know where you problem was.
The bad part is YES THEY DO USE ALOT OF GAS
BUT IN NO WAY DO I WANT TO BE DRIVING A RICE BURNER
WHEN I WANT A (((TRUCK))) A REAL TRUCK
LIKE A GM TRUCK --TAHOE, YUKON , ESCALADE ETC..
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEW DESIGN & IMPROVEMENTS
I HAVE A LARGE FAMILY AND RELATIVES WHO HAVE MANY LARGE SUVs EXPENSIVE AND NOT EXPENSIVE
SOMEONE IN MY HOUSHOLD HAS A 2004 RANGE ROVER FULLY LOADED AND CANT STAND IT PLUS EITHER COULD I. EVERYONE I KNOW ALWAYS WANTS TO DRIVE THE TAHOES. ALOT OF BANG FOR YOUR BUCK AND TRUE TRUCK LOVERS TRUCKS. I forgot to mention that i tried out driving a Ford Excursion and hated it-the steering and handling LOUZY , NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT IN THE INTERIOR EITHER. IN GENERAL ALL FORDS HAVE STEERING & HANDLING ISSUES THAT THE GM TRUCKS DONT. THE DODGE DURANGO STILL HAS ITS OWN ISSUES AS WELL.. ILL TAKE A GOOD OLD GM TRUCK ANYDAY.
Turn off your caps lock in the future, it makes your message hard to read. Anyone will tell you that.
Sounds pretty good. Finally, a GM car recieves praise for it's interior and material quality. Even the stereo got a good review.
If I read this correctly it is nutty. Here GM is losing their shirt (yet still paying a dividend to its owners) and they can't do a flat floor load space in a big SUV???
I have been a die hard fan of this model since its inception and I am really dissapointed in the new model.
I am hoping that the Z71 package is a little more like a truck.
And count me in as disappointed they don't have a fold flat third row seat. Yes, it is a convenience thing, but one that should have been included as basically all their competitors have them. Just my 2 cents worth...
Pat
Still can't believe Chevy hasn't figured out how to give you Nav plus a 6 disc CD changer though.
Form, function and towing
The eight-seat 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe doesn't have a big, practical advantage over crossovers like the eight-passenger Honda Pilot. Except, of course, for towing. Rated to haul 7,700 pounds behind it, the Tahoe can lug more than twice what the Pilot can and that's a bedrock virtue in red states where boats, campers and car carriers are part of the American dream.
Mike