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-mike
No, I don't have any links. If you go to the Caddy or GMC site, they may have additional info.
Happy Holidays! *<:-)
Bob
I agree with you, AWD is great, but not at the expense of a low range available. That's why I like my Trooper and XT6
Happy Holidays
-mike
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-mike
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Bob
I was also wondering if the 3rd row seating would actually accommodate adults with leg room and also allow a couple of suite cases and some gear in the rear?
-mike
Is the 2nd row legroom compromised at all by the 3rd row of seats? I know the 2nd row of the durango is too small due to the 3rd row of seats.
-mike
BTW, I have changed the title of this topic from "Cadillac SUV..." to "Cadillac Escalde" to better reflect the messages in here.
Please continue! :-)
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Most definitely the fact that there is a 3rd row imposed the restriction on leg room in the 2nd row, and it is a very narrow floor space in front of the 2nd row, an issue only corrected apparently by the front seat occupants moving forward, which might not be a problem depending on the leg room required for the front seat occupants, as the front seats have a fairly generous amount of fore-aft travel. I don't think there is any fore-aft travel for the 2nd row, however, but didn't actually ask.
As I stated in my (much) earlier posts (and at the risk of re-opening some old wounds), I see the Escalade (both generations) as essentially a Tahoe in a tuxedo. That doesn't do it for me. For a premium SUV (remember, this is supposed to be be GM's "best", top-of-the-line, and to compete with the best of the world has to offer), I want to see cutting-edge engineering that's not found on other vehicles—and I don't mean just On-Star or AWD, or... "premium leather" (whatever that is?). I want to see a significant upward movement of the engineering benchmark—a new paradigm, if you will. I don't see it here. As an owner of a Mercedes ML, you know what I'm talking about.
But since I'm not in the market for a full-size SUV, I'll stick with Subaru. I will, however, continue to lurk over here, and comment as I see fit.
Bob
-mike
So he tried selling his Caddy in Jan of 2000( for two months he tried) Finally he ended up selling it for $34,500...
His own words " It will snow in H--l before I buy a GM product again".. Today his wife and kids love the Landcruiser , oh and yes it has been in the shop at least three times...Oil changes..!!
Bob
I love what I'm hearing about the Escalade 2002 and have an order in. Preferred 2nd row bench seats to Lincoln Navs Captains chairs- room for more kids, etc.Plus Cargo space on Escalade ( with seats out is phenomenal. Lincoln Nav 3rd row seat is hard to get in and out and very tight, plus second row console limits cargo space.
While waiting for my new 2002, I'm driving a 1999 Escalade, which I must say is better than I expected. Very smooth ride. It does eat gas though - as do all the large SUVs!
I'll let you know if I actually take delivery of the 2002 after it comes in- I'm fully prepared to eat my deposit if I don't like the ride.
TO Bob: The new Escalade is supposed to have a totally new engine(based on the Corvette) and all reviews say it is nothing like the Denali - have you driven a 2002 Escalade?
Just based on interior comfort, i'd rate them:
Land Cruiser: Best 1st and 2nd row seating, 3rd on par with Caddy. Fit and finish better than the caddy and the sequoia, Number one pic if I had $60K to plunk down due to Off-road prowess and proven reliablility world wide.
Sequia: Best 3rd row seating, otherwise it reminds me of a tundra w/a cap. Also liked the retractable mirrors, like my Trooper has. Not sure if it has full/time AWD/4wd? Literature and staff was un-knowledgeable.
Escalade: 2nd row seating was very cramped as far as leg-room, climb in was difficult. 3rd row was cramped as well. Awd a definite plus, downside, no low range gearing (good for offroading and towing out of a boat ramp)
Now I wasn't rating based on anything other than comfort and fit-finish, and interior room. I haven't driven any of them, so I can't vouche for how they are. The rear seat in my Trooper does have a little more room than the Escalade though.
-mike
Unfortunately the Escapade does not come in an AL version. Other than the engine modification and Stabilitrak, I believe all other differences are cosmetic such as leather, fake wood trim and exterior front end.
Drew
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-mike
Drew
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-mike
But, I digress... :-)
Drew
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Frankly, I don't know why the Sequoia, 4 Runner and Tundra just don't use the same 4WD that the Land Cruiser uses. In other markets, Toyota markets a Land Cruiser Colorado (looks sort of like a cross between our 4 Runner [same 3.4L engine & IFS] and a Trooper) that uses the permanent 4WD of the larger Land Cruiser (Amazon).
Bob
Bob
tundra/ sequoia has 2wd option. But I didn´t know it was safe to use the 4wd full time... are you sure??? Is it not only meant for slippery conditions or pulling straight forward???
Is the 4wd system on sequoia and Landcruiser about the same (Technically), apart from Landcruiser has no 2wd option???
My mistake I guess. Escalade brochure says 2002 has "high-output LQ9V8 was engineered exclusively for Cadillac by GM Powertrain..... Corvette style intake and exhaust ports allow increase flow through the combustion chambers."
I personally know nothing about engines - I'll just care how it drives.
.. There is no room behind the 3rd row seat in the Escalade from what I can tell -surprising for a vehicle larger than the Landcruiser, etc. Hope they make up for it in leg room, but it doesn't sound like it from previous postings.
I am not particularly a fan of the Escalade's looks however its mechanical specs regarding most measurements of performance that an SUV shopper would be seeking would strongly favor the Cadillac over the Landcruiser with the notable exception of a lack of 4wd low in the Cadillac.
I will leave it to others that know the two vehicles better to address manufacturing and other creature comfort comparisons.
If you are seeking a vehicle with maximum storage, maximum towing capacitiies, maximum engine output combined with above average luxury features such as a Bose Sound system and AWD, the Denali XL is your only choice in 2001. Of course I am biased since I recently took delivery on a 2001 Denali XL.
I would be interested in other's views of any other vehicles with 3 rows of seating with substantial storage behind the third row, lots of hp (320 in Denali), AWD (or 4wd), tow capacity of 8500lbs or more and lots of luxury features. The only vehicles I found to choose from were the Excursion, Suburban, Yukon XL and Denali XL. Only the Denali XL had the level of luxury I was seeking.
Third row is comfy enough for this 5'8" woman with longish legs- for a short trip - knees up though - kids liked it. Loved the retractable side mirrors. Many pluses. Only minus IMHO is second row cup holds are low - none in center console- impossible for my kids to reach when they are strapped in.
A great improvement and my favorite of the Lux SUVS.
You get the space of the Denali XL with the features of the Escalade and you get to pocket 4-5,000 by deleteing folding mirrors, stabilitrak, rear backup sensors and an ugly front end (just my opinion).
been informed by my dealer that a stop has been
put on the color white. Anybody know what gives?
Although, having the folding mirrors on my Trooper, I can assure you that they become one of the best attributes of the vehicle That along with the AWD.
Personally I don't know why Caddy didn't contract Borg and warner to make a beefed up version of the TOD system used on the Trooper. It gives a 15%f/85%r torque split initially, and can go up to 50/50, has a nice torque guage so you know how much power each axle is getting. On top of that, you can disable the AWD to conserve fuel in 2wd mode, and since it has a transfer case, you can use Low gear for towing that Cigarette boat out of the water Also has a rear LSD.
I'm glad to see that GM is using the power folding mirrors from the Trooper (or at least the technology) on the Escalade.
-mike
As I posted above the Trooper has had folding mirrors for years before Caddy got on the band wagon, I wouldn't be suprised if they used the same motors since Isuzu is 1/2 owned by GM. As for excelling? The Trooper will be a better off-road vehicle than the Caddy and Denali for the simple reason that it has 4wd Lo.
Borg and Warner is known the world around for designing tough components, mostly Transmissions and Transfer cases. The T-case on the Trooper is far more advanced than a simple center viscous differential which is what I believe is on the Caddy and Denalis.
-mike
The B&W T-Case is better, but you are right, most Escalade owners need a Van, not an SUV!
But if you've ever been in a Trooper limited you'll realize that it's nearly in the same class, heck Edmunds even puts the Trooper in the same class, although the Trooper did come in last place in the "Large SUV" class, it was also $10 less on the MSRP and closer to $15K less actual selling price
http://www.edmunds.com/roadtests/comparisontests/fullsizesportutility vehiclecomparisonte/44461/index.html
In fact I know 3 people who had deposits on Land Rovers that decided to test drive the Limited and backed out of the LR for it. One of the most under estimated vehicles in the world.
-mike