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We would be interested in any other buyers who are suffering the same problem, only in numbers are GM going to do something about it.
Having driven the Avalanche and earlier pre 2000 Escalades the problem was not apparent until the permanent 4 wheel drive 6 litre Escalades.
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/transmissions/hydra/app- - s/4l60.htm
Hmmm this poster seems like the envious insecure jealous type to me. I went to a recent Lexus Test drive Event and the Cadillac was 2nd best truck out there behind the Lexus. For the money the Cadillac is a good deal compared to the expensive Lexus and Land Rover. Also for later personal stereotypical rants people don't wear gold chains anymore they wear platinium and diamonds.
I am interested in why you think that the Escalade is such a good deal compared to a Lexus or a Rover. If you want the content that the Escalade offers, a much better deal would be the Denali. Or does that big ol' wreath on the back deck have inherent value?
Having said all that, I merely made an observation, that to my eyes the typical Escalade owner could be categorized to some degree. Just like Saab drivers share certain demographic characteristics, Escalade owners do also. Now one can disagree with my characterizations of the Escalade owner because maybe they were abrasive, unpleasant, unkind (yes, I plead guilty), or inaccurate. You could even fly in the face of 50 years of market research and maintain that there is no typical Escalade, Saab, or BMW owner. But my observation has nothing to do with the vehicle's quality, durability, etc. as much as with the tendency of the owners to share certain characteristics.
Steve, Host
-mike
-mike
My first choice was the Lincoln Navigator because of the looks, auto tailgate and fold flat third seats. But, the darn sunvisors don't extend when pulled to the sides (very importantt feature to me).
Since there is a Cadillac dealer near my home (closer than a GMC dealer) I decided to check them out. I have to say I was impressed with them. I would prefer the Escalade ESV personally. And yes, it has the completely adjustable sunvisors.
My question is, do any of you have the Navigational system? The one that I looked at had everything but a nav system. Also, how is the air conditioning system? Is it ice cold and will blow your wig off?
I have not bought a GM product since my new 1981 Oldsmobile. What a disaster! (engine failure, electrical problems, suspension problems). Basically since then, I've stuck with the Japanese and currently, German cars. As a second car, I've had a couple of Jeep Grand Cherokees that I liked with decent reliability.
So, if any of you have comments on the air and nav system, it would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark156
The Escalade must be running pretty smooth with no glitches. On the other sights, people nit pick on the smallest things....... or is GM paying everyone not to respond here......??????
LOL! Mark
You mean you didn't get your check?? ;-)
Feel free to bring up issues that concern you. That's likely to get the ball rolling again.
tidester, host
My concerns were about the navagational system and the air conditioning as stated in the posts above. Hopefully, someone will respond with info.
Happy Motoring. Mark156
tidester, host
Others posit that domestic owners don't talk about cars in general like owners of import makes. But that doesn't explain why the Wrangler board is often in the top ten around here.
How are Escalade sales doing anyway? Anyone seen any recent numbers? Are the incentives a major factor in your shopping?
Steve, Host
The newest Cadillac models don't require heavy discounting to sell, although the Slade has had occasional incentives. I don't think there's anything now.
Nothing exists that is bigger and stronger - it even handles well for a big guy, thanks to Caddy's suspension tricks. Cadillacs perform well in the reliability surveys too.... if you want one of these, go for it.
Large SUV Over $45,000: Escalade/Escalade ESV
Steve, Host
why?
1. Pushrod engines - Instead of improving efficiency and gas mileage, they lower both of them because of their lack of overhead cams, Variable Valve Timing and/or Variable Induction System. plus they are too harsh and accelerate slowly
2. Poor crash tests - Silverado, which is based on Suburban or the other way around, got only a MARGINAL in crash tests scores
3. Lack of airbags and safety features - ONLY side airbags are available, nope..no side curtains here! also the Traction Control System and Stability Management System isn't as advanced as the Japanese
4. Poor build quality - why are u paying 50K for a Suburban with fake wood inside?? call it Escalade!..not worth it, believe me..ive had experience..also, the GM "parts bin" gives the same materials and plastics from the low-quality Suburban/Tahoe to the Escalade/Denali..NOT WORTH IT!
So why buy Japanese?
1. New Infiniti QX56 - the size of an Escalade with a sexier interior with the latest in safety, technological, and mechanical features..better gas mileage too..better overall resale value and much higher-quality at a couple-of-thousand dollars less
2. Toyota Sequoia - higher quality and STILL BUILT IN US..wow! was it a miracle or what? more safety features too
3. Nissan Pathfinder Armada - new and capable of everything
**remember this: even the 2004 Lincoln Navigator has more sophistication in it! It just needs a more powerful engine..
I haven't purchased anything yet but the Escalade is at the top of my list. Engine-wise, I don't care if it's pushrod or not. The Escalade has a 6.0 liter engine with 345 hp. The gas mileage on a vehicle this size is not going to be high. The Sequoia gets 14 in the city where as the Escalade ESV gets 12 and the ESV has much more room. I found that the Sequoia is rather cheap looking on the inside and I'm not wild about the exterior styling at all. I looked at the 2002 Sequoia when I purchased my 2002 Mercedes. Of course, this is just my opinion and personal taste.
I have not seen the Infiniti QX56 yet but the Nissan Armada is SO unattractive, maybe the Infiniti will look better. I've had many Japanese cars in the past; a '79 Datsun 210, '81 Nissan 210 wagon, '87 Maxima and a '89 Maxima. Also, the '87 and '89 were not totally trouble free. The paint on the '89 was very low quality. They were reliable but I'm not particularly fond of the Japanese products right now (Style-wise).
Also, the Suburban and Yukon don't have any wood on the dash at all. The Denali has it as does the Escalade and it looks really nice, especially on the Cadillac.
So, I think your blanket statement of "do not buy GM" is unwarranted. I really don't think you have really looked at the GM product up close. The fit and finish on these (from what I have personally seen) are very nice and comparable to the Japanese.
Mark
Toyota Sequoia... it has all of this "sophisticated technology" and gets just 2 mpg better than the Slade while making 105 less hp and 75 less lb/ft of torque.
When Toyota makes a truck capable of doing real work, then it will be worthy of even being in this discussion. As it is right now, the Sequoia is a joke.
The Armada does better (at least it has torque), but it's still got 45 less hp while gettng all of 1 more mpg than the Slade, and has less room. Closer, but still a loser.
but yes, I have seen the new Escalades lately before we bought our new car..but I'm not as impressed as you..<sorry>
i really like how Caddilac has IMPROVED over the years but to me the Escalade is my second choice..i dont know why, but maybe Ive been near one too long..
im just a really big fan of the new QX56 though, which I think should prove to be some very much needed competition to the Escalade as America's "PIMP" car LOL..
and plus, im not trying to compare the Sequioa to the Escalde..i accidentally put it in..
but either way u choose <QX56 OR ESCALADE> uve still made an awesome choice
Haven't seen the Infiniti yet, but their last few efforts (FX and G35) have been very good.... much better than Toyota/Lexus.
Mark
-mike
and wow u drive a Navigator!! how is it going?? we were about to buy one, but we decided we didn't need all the room (maybe next time)..
i ACTUALLY didnt mean to put the Sequioa in there, if anyone still thinks that!
and Caddys ARE good...im just not as big a fan of them as some other cars..EXCEPT for the new XLR which should probably be tough competition for the SL55 from MB
honestly, I think they should have tried as much as Lincoln did to make the interior nicer, especially when paying about 50-grand for an SUV
My wife likes SUVs (she's from Texas). We like something nice (need to get rid of the "big" Mercedes 430 sedan - too small now).
On a typical trip we'll have 3 adults (possibly 4), 3 kids in car seats that we need to tend to, and suitcases and strollers that need to go behind the 3rd seat. We also want DVDs to pacify the little one, something nice, safe and attractive. The Suburbans scare me.
What would you recommend and why? I'm hearing that the Lexus 470 may be too small for storage. The extended Navigator is something I should test drive. The "Slade?" May be the Expedition, Suburban/Yukon Denali XL. What else?
Do any of you have practical experience with these or other vehicles, with 3 car seats - long drive, with 3 or 4 adults? Which vehicles are most apt to get me to say "ahhh" an not want to slit my wrists?
Which one do you prefer for me and why (ignoring price)?
Ignoring price? Get the long Escalade!!
-mike