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For instance...one like this.
Unless this is some crap like a GM car when I test drive it in November of 2011, this will no doubt be my first Toyota product purchased. My son just sold the only Toyota a member of my family has ever bought, that being a 1987 Toyota Camry. I tell ya what, it was old, with 165,000 miles (that we know of) but it kept running, strong and solid for my son. He sold it to a young couple in little 'ole Willcox, AZ, for a tidy sum of $200. I am coming around full circle to liking and respecting Toyota products.
Come on, Mr. Toyoda will see to it personally that these cars are going to be built correct the first time and will kindly blow away any and all competition because he wants to restore some respect in real carbuilding to the brand. Watch and appreciate.
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While details are scarce, Carsguide is reporting the sedan will be virtually identical to the coupe. This means we can expect a naturally-aspirated 2.0-liter Boxer engine, a six-speed manual transmission, ADVICS brakes, and rear-wheel drive. Eventually, the car could be outfitted with Subaru's 3.6-liter H6 engine and a hybridized Boxer powerplant.
According to sources familiar with the matter, the sedan is a "safety net" in case the coupe fails to be a sales success.
Set to go on sale in 2013, the FT-86 sedan would be positioned as a premium model. It would compete with the BMW 1/3-Series and the VW Golf GTI / Audi
Read more: http://www.worldcarfans.com/110090328223/toyota-ft-86-four-door-sedan-variant-ru- - - - - - moured#ixzz12lHkGKE9
FYI-the only tadbit of information I could find in that article that jumps out at me as being blatantly incorrect is that the car will go on sale in November of 2011, not 2013. That's preposterous. :shades:
Toyota has never denied that the 2012 Toyota FR-S will go on sale in November of 2011. Duh! Come on people, stay with me here!
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Not so fast...
http://www.insideline.com/lincoln/mkz-hybrid/2011/2011-lincoln-mkz-hybrid-first-- drive.html
$35,180 for a Lincoln MKZ Hybrid. And that's a Ford Fusion clone, while the HS is at least a unique model.
I'm not a fan of either, but Lexus' price is competitive.
I still say the CT200H had better start under $30K or they won't sell ANY.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
It uses just the powertrain from the Camry hybrid.
The MKZ-H shares both the body and the powertrain with the Ford Fusion hybid. Basically it's a Fusion hybrid dressed in a $7000 tuxedo.
There is much more similarity with the Ford/Lincon duo.
Let's look at its primary rival...the A3 TDI 5 door:
http://green.autoblog.com/2009/09/03/audi-sets-price-on-2010-a3-tdi-at-29-950/
You're right on target...I bet they come in right where Audi prices their green 5 door. It won't be any lower, and IMHO the A3 is very small, tight inside. I bet the CT is roomier. Again, not my type of car, but a prospective Lexus buyer would probably pick a hybrid over a diesel and the extra space will likely matter to them.
Let's remember that pricing has more to do with the market and competition than it does with the actual cost of production.
Having said that, the whole idea of an upscale hybrid has never really taken off. This may outsell the A3 TDI but it won't even touch Prius volume.
More Toyota recalls
Can you think of any that have never had recalls?
Bring this pup on Toyota, in Nov. of 2011, in 6-speed manual transmission form, Japanese monkey-back red, power w's, l's and m's, kickin' 500-watt stereo with 10" subwoofer in the trunk, A/C, 4 doors and $21,000 price tag.
And I will test drive one. And get back to you on that. The recalls are just that, recalls. Better than not fixing the problems, right?
BTW-the latest idea is that Toyota will sell the low end model, the one for $21,000, as a 2012 Scion FR-S. Due to Scion dealers in November of 2011. Stay tuned for the changes as we find them all out.
Oh, I almost forgot. Toyota will change the bodystyle of the FR-S just a tad in time for the Scion sales lots. I'd love to be a fly on the wall a the design house working on this right now. I'll git back to ya.
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Iron block?
Premium fuel? Seriously?
Gas engine provides propulsion?
Is there an active thread for that topic? If so I'll move the discussion there.
Link:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1e3dc6/0#MSG0
It's a routine for an automaker to have recalls; however it's not a routine for anyone to have massive recalls one after another.
Not to mention the fuel pump issue was already discussed.
Last year Toyota produced 7.2 million cars worldwide; in the last 12 month they have recalled more than 11 million cars....
A very high volume, even for such a high-volume manufacturer.
And has anyone besides me noticed that more and more now, these recalls are affecting Lexus models?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
People will view this as a good way to spend $10K more on a Camry Hybrid, in order to get the Lexus badge.
And what ever happened to Toyota's promise that the next-gen ES would NOT be a continuation of Camry cloning? Now we are seeing hints of the next-gen model, and it is not RWD as promised, and in fact looks a lot like another Camry clone.
Toyota will end up diluting the effectiveness of the Lexus line just like GM had done to Cadillac prior to the Art & Science rejuvenation ten years ago, if it continues on this path.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Nissan and Renault combined sold around 6 million or so. Their total recalls ? At most a few hundred thousands.
Honda is similar, total sales worldwide around 3 million or so. Their total recalls around hundreds of thousands too.
Not far behind are the often maligned by jd power brands like VW, etc whose worldwide volumes are also in the millions and yet their no, of recalls are also relatively " normal ".
So really jd power's, consumer report's " toyota no.1 bias " reports really make a mockery of reality today and mocks common sense. I would really put toyota at the bottom of the quality rankings. The numbers tell their own story.
Nobody comes even close to toyota. Forget about toyota decades ago, today, they have SERIOUS PROBLEMS deep inside the way they do business and the way they put profits ahead of quality.
None.
So customers seem to think they're taking care of it, else they'd leave for other brands.
Read the other headlines, folks. Ford has failed to fix 8.4 million out of the 14 million vehicles they recalled for risk of engine fires.
Do they get a pass? Because they're domestic? Maybe they have good lobbyists to keep NHTSA off their backs?
Oh, no biggie, it's just an engine fire.
Stop, drop, and roll.
That'll buff right out.
These Fords are HOT I tell ya.
AN wrote:
even after the largest U.S. safety recall ever
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20101021/RETAIL05/101029958/1- 254#ixzz136Xu96Bc
Mending all their broken cars with recalls.
:lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon:
Which would bother you more? Be honest.
Car-B-Q?
Or a small brake fluid leak? The sensor actually works and warns you, so it wasn't ever a serious problem, even.
It's a sad environment, really, when fixing something is seen as a bad thing. I've never seen recalls as bad, per se. Sure, they acknowledge a problem, but they also acknowledge a problem.
You see the difference.
Toyota called me in to inspect the chain that secures the spare tire, a just-in-case fix that wasn't even necessary. People see that and they're not going to have the reaction people here are having, far from it.
They'll go in to the dealer at the next scheduled service, check out some new cars, and drive home happy. No biggie.
Meanwhile, if that rear axle on your Ford literally breaks in half, and you don't live in the snow belt?
Sorry! No recall if you're not in the snow belt.
That makes Ford's recall totals look better. Ironic, no?
Would it make you feel better as an owner, though?
It's just a rear axle breaking in half, no big deal. Shoot, the engine will probably catch fire first, so it's not even your primary concern!
Who cares, Ford has fewer recalls this year!
Toyota is under the microscope and will fix anything and everything that goes wrong. Is that such a bad thing?
Honda is recalling half a million vehicles today for the same problem - defective brake master cylinders - that Toyota recalled yesterday. Odysseys and something else, some of them 6 years old already. It seems they got their brake master cylinders from the same place Toyota did......
The larger lesson learned, I think, is that the Japanese have officially joined the domestics in the club of automakers that have cost-cut too much - they have gone beyond the fat and even the flesh, and have started cutting bone. Recalls like Honda's today and Toyota's yesterday are proof positive as far as I'm concerned.
And with the giant profit margins on Lexus vehicles, you would think they could have avoided that pitfall at least with the Lexus line.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
If you overlook the little problems of public recalls. And then there's the braking problem when the engines are running away. But the runaway engines just didn't happen, really, because it was a sticking floor mat or an accelerator pedal in the wrong place instead of computers and electronics gone wild.
And then we have brakes leaking fluid and posters want to talk about FORD?
GIMME a break. It was bad enough before toyota applied their fixes to enough cars that runaway computers aren't happening now when nobody would 'man up' to the reality of what toyota had been doing for years with hiding reality and using the NHTSA rules to misrepresent the runaaway reports. Now it's Ford's fault that toyota's master cylinders are leaking?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Why do you refer only to Lexus market share? Look at the much bigger picture of Toyota; their market share dropped from 16.6% in the first 9 months of 2009 to 15.2% in the first 9 months of this year. Can you explain it?
Ford...even after the largest U.S. safety recall ever
Ford recalled 14 million cars for switch in a period of 10 years; Toyota already recalled 14 million cars in one year; that's already a record and you can bet on that they would refresh their own record in no time soon.
Typically, about 30 percent of recalled vehicles are not returned for repair within a year-and-a-half of the announcement, said the spokeswoman, who asked not to be named.
Today's statement singled out used-car owners who may not know whether the vehicles they bought had ever been returned to dealers for needed repairs.
I am not buying that story. I was a second owner on my 1999 Ford Ranger and they tracked me down and I went in for the CC fix. Took all of two minutes by the service guy and I was on my way. How many of those 8.4 million are not even on the road or the owners tossed the letter in the trash? I had also moved from the address I was at when I bought the Ranger from a private party. I blame the owners for most of those 8.4 million vehicles. What would you expect Ford or any other auto maker to do. I think some of the posters here claimed they were not going to have Toyota perform the throttle fixes on their cars.
This picture has me captivated and drooling
The only thing that'll slow me down is the 226 miles north to Boise! :shades:
Think I'll call Dale White Toyota of Elko to see if they could service my FR-S there so I don't have to drive 226 miles north to the purchasing dealer every time the car needs service. I'm checking in to the Big-O Tire store here in Elko tomorrow to get the Lancer GTS' oil changed. I noticed they sell Pirelli tires there. If I like them I'll just adopt them as my servicing dealer for most things Mitsubishi/Scion and just go to the dealers for brand-specific needs. The closest Mitsubishi dealer is also in Boise. I noticed Boise State is still #3 in the polls.
The Boise State-Nevada game at Nevada is Nov. 26 and I will be watching that one as Nevada has a very good squad this year.
Over. And out.
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That FT's back end reminds me of another blunt end from some automaker. I'm thinking it was a Cadillac - CTS maybe?
In other news, Toyota tells Ralph Nader "oh yeah?".
Toyota to Ralph Nader: We spent $8.9 billion on R&D (USA Today)
The coupe looking like it will actually look like...just photochopped in to this warehouse scene
A chop of the sedan for all of you all to view
The sedan needs a bit a work, as you can see. It would be cool if Toyota would release a pic of the sedan. I don't think they've built one of those yet, though, so it would only be a chop like this or a rendering. An artists's rendering would work, uh-huh.
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Toyota haters conveniently overlook the fact that suppliers CTS and Delphi are domestic. Wouldn't surprise me if those brake master cylinders were also made here.
But yes, I agree that the cost-cutting is in large part to blame.
I'd rather have problems acknowledged and fixed, and yes, recalled if necessary.
In one breath you criticize Toyota for hiding and not fixing things (which has been corrected) and in the next you give Ford a pass for ignoring axles-broken-in-half.
The reason this hits home for me is that it affects minivans they marketed as safe, and I considered closely.
I guess that's good, and better PR to take a hot mess like this taken off the road:
Beyond the axle (only being recalled in snow belt states!), check out the spare tire - you guys were up in arms when the spare tire holder in the Sienna got recalled for inspection. Ford has not recalled those! Yay, fewer recalls, they win! And what's that in behind the cracked axle, a panhard bar? Nice and rusty, too.
I love the part about "providing rental cars to customers to those with cracked or perforated axles noting it poses an increased risk of a crash". Talk about understatements!
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20101022/AUTO01/10220453/1148/rss25#ixzz13OUIRPmo"
This is the 5-star safety rated minivan, as they marketed it.
Now, why is this relevant?
Because you all are holding Toyota to a much higher standard. There was criticism here when Toyota recalled a spare tire carrier that might rust. And by the way, mine was not even rusty. Toyota has now taken a better-safe-then-sorry approach.
Yet Ford's vans are breaking in half and that's just fine. Call us if you crash and die.
I sure am glad I got Toyota's minivan instead of Ford's!
I think buying back the vans is a good move. They will sell more Fords and my stock will continue to go up. Toyota is still on the hot seat. Ford is doing what is needed to maintain their great reputation. :shades:
When our Windstall started falling apart as you drove it and Ford stonewalled and acted in as ugly a manner as you could imagine I get fed up with them on the phone to the point where I'm just screaming back at them. My wife asks for the phone to be more civil.... Within tow minutes she's yelling "it's a good thing the thing is 5 star safety rated! It stops working in the middle of traffic!"
Title of forum:
Toyota on the mend for 2010?
Notice the question mark at the end.
It's really odd that every time toyota gets caught again, Ford is thrown up as an excuse? Did this become the toyota isn't responsible because Ford did it? forum? :P
That would be like Edmunds blaming another car site every time the emotorcons don't work right (which is often)!!!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
On the two cars where I thought that the vehicle wasn't performing up to standard the companies treated me like trash. That has kept me from VW and Ford showrooms.
I've had excellent customer service from Honda and I haven't yet had an issue to take to Toyota.
Especially when the industry standard is fix it only when you HAVE to, and even then only in snow belt regions.
It's funny, people here were up in arms complaining that Toyota did not want to fix anything, and now that Toyota is fixing everything, even preventatively inspecting potentially bad items, the same people want to use that against them.
My minivan is fine, like I said - Toyota checked it "just in case" and I know it's fine.
Look again at that photo - if it were a Toyota, would people react the same way? Only 2 accidents, gimme a break.
Perhaps we should rename the topic "Let's all bash Toyota and apply double standards (no complaining about any other make, just Toyota)".
The leak concerns arise when customers don't use the original type of brake fluid. That can allow the seal on the master cylinder to fail.
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20101022/AUTO01/10220419/1148/rss25#ixzz13PG0WVIe
So owner error, really. A recall to install fault-tolerant seals makes sense, but that's another preventative fix, just like the potentially rusty cables holding the spare tires.
I guess Toyota was relegated as a media scapegoat when they became #1. I am not surprised because they treat Walmart differently even though their practices, salaries and the like aren't much, if any different than Target or Macy's. Same goes for McDonald's.
I guess Toyota was relegated as a media scapegoat when they became #1. I am not surprised because they treat Walmart differently even though their practices, salaries and the like aren't much, if any different than Target or Macy's. Same goes for McDonald's.
Probably some truth in that. But realize there is no way you can tell the statistical frequency of those problems. If Toyota had 50% of their cars with serious problems and GM had 25% of their cars with serious problems and Honda had 1% of their cars with serious problems, you would still be able to read about serious problems on the Honda board. Not saying these are real numbers, just saying that it COULD be that Toyota has had a lot more trouble than Honda.