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I drove a 6 cylinder F11 528i Touring in Germany. Not an off the line speed demon, but a good Autobahn cruiser.
So even if you're shopping lease prices, a G37 would easily have fallen in the same price range as the others in the comparison.
Any how, $50k for a 4 banger 3 series is sheer lunacy. And it won? :confuse:
Old one was certainly a size smaller.
50K for that car is insane, just like you can easily build a 335d to virtually 60K - I can get a nicely equipped E350 Bluetec (or a nice new GS) for that money. Which would I rather drive?
For $50k I'd drop $35k on a Genesis as a trip/highway car and than another $15k on some city car to commute in.
$50k is a condo not a compact car.
For 50, I can't imagine the possibilities. Maybe 30K for a show car (AMG SEC), 15K for a road car (W124 500E), 5K for a commuter (old diesel). Makes new cars look silly.
50K is a down payment on a condo in my area
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/25/hundreds-of-5-year-old-municipal-vehicles-fou- nd-in-miami-that-we/
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/prnewswire/press_releases/California/201- 2/05/01/LA98291
Funny thing is, supply for some models is short:
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2012/04/the-list-last-months-20-quickes- - t-selling-cars-.html#more
4 in the top 9 are Toyota/Lexus.
Prius, CT, Yaris, GS, and Highlander did well.
2011 was down 1.7% in part due to the tsunami, so this represents a real gain even over the 2010 figures.
Beat out both the Civic and the Corolla. :surprise:
Then again, Ford groups the F-150 with the massive diesel chassis cabs.
Not good, but they say thay are targeting a fleet sales rate of 6% for the remainder of the year.
Funny thing is that many of the top-selling Toyota models (except Yaris) are mostly not sold to fleets. Personally, I think something is very wrong (with the Corolla) when Prius outsells Corolla.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I see that Honda is spending more on rebates than Toyota, and Toyota's rebate spending is quite low.
Remember gas hit $4.20 or so, at least around here.
Ironically it's down below $4, so demand should start to cool. Sales will still be strong because prices will come back down to earth. Go see in the CCB thread what a used Prius was selling for - crazy money.
Why is this relevant?
Because it looks like they used the Toyota-influenced FA20 block for this, so it gets direct injection, twin scroll turbo, etc. They also engineered a CVT with 8 ratios for the paddle shifter in Sport # mode.
I think that stealthy non-Outback GT wagon looks great, personally.
Any how, it's likely the Scion FR-S will get some form of this new engine, though I'm not sure it it'll make the full 300hp.
Looks like Toyota is helping Subaru to meet CAFE standards. The current STI gets 17/23 on premium, not exactly a Prius.
I bet the new one jumps way up to 20/29 or so. In the video you see a Legacy GT wagon cruising around at under 1500rpm at times, so should yield good driving range.
Even with the stereo on the whine was overbearing. :sick:
Otherwise, love the idea of a Legacy wagon again!
295 hp SAE, 296 lb-ft from 2000-4600 rpm.
Hopefully the sportier models get manual transmissions, Subaru has been pretty good about that lately (WRX is manual ONLY).
I'm now thinking the FR-S, BRZ, and WRX will get this tune, and the STI could get a 2.5 turbo with even more power. We'll see.
Lexus could end up using the same engine.
Beat Volt and Leaf, even nearly matching their sales combined.
For an old design, not bad.
It's part of Subaru's DNA...
It's totally opposed to Lexus' DNA.
Pardon the pun.
There's a bugeye Impreza in my parking garage that sounds like a nice late model riding lawnmower...I can't imagine that noise coming from any model of the isotank L, nor do I see it being able to be isolated into silence.
There's also an early 00s style (the roundish one) Legacy sedan that sometimes parks by me at work, always smells hot. I wonder if that's something the engines do as they age too.
Having said that, I still have trouble imagining a Lexus with a boxer growl.
To put it in terms you would better understand, imagine comparing a 230 Kompressor to a smooth E350 V6.
At WOT, the STi sounds incredible IMO. it's the putt putting around town where it sounds kinda unrefined...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToxViqDIgv4
Before sounds like my blender malfunctioning. After sounds like it's trying to sound like a WRX. LOL
I think the later Kompressor engine was a tad better, but I'd take a Scion FR-S over either, no question.
We're spoiled, the US market tends to get V6 and above models. Lux makes have plenty of 4 bangers in other markets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oDT3dNDo2c
I remember being appalled at the first time I heard a kompressor car start when cold.
Since then the 2.5l engines went to the FB architecture with pretty significant changes. The coolant has separate lines for the heads and block, so no more coolant leaks from the head gasket (they don't flow through them at all).
FB25 is also chain driven vs belt for the EJ, the oil filter moved up to the top/front of the engine bay, revised intake, etc. It's a whole new block, nothing in common with the old one except that both round to 2.5l, even displacement changed if you're not rounding.
So pretty much a clean sheet design.
Then, on top of that, Toyota came in and revised it further and renamed it the FA20. I'm not sure why they made so many changes to a brand new block, but they did. Bore and stroke are different, but the main change is they added direct injection and made it more high rev-friendly.
So the FA in the Scion FR-S is two generations removed from the boxer in your friend's car, oddly enough.
To be honest I think it's wasteful, I can't imagine the R&D effort to re-engineer 2 new engines in 2 years. Crazy.
Rumor has it Subaru resisted since the FB was brand new but Toyota forced the changes upon then.
Looks like Subaru will put the FB in the fuel misers and the FA in the performance cars, basically.
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20120505/OEM11/305059983#ixzz1uBynJamO
Can't see how even a new boxer would be suitable for Lexus though, what can it do that a new age DI/turbo engine can't? There may be a clean sheet design, but the layout itself seems to have inherent NVH issues.
Funny about the unintended acceleration garbage...I want a judge to just loudly announce it is all driver incompetency.
For the FT is makes sense - the whole engine block basically drags on the ground. That's how they got the low center of gravity.
No room for AWD unfortunately.
They gotta ditch the IS250, though. Why make a smallish V6 that only goes in one model?
I thought they could put a non-DI version of the 3.5l engine (2GR) in the base model, and then DI in the upper models (2GR-FSE).
That's what Cadillac does on the CTS - both 3.6l but the base engine has no DI.
Trick would be how to name it? IS350, IS350+? Can't use DI, that sounds like a diesel.
Or do as the Germans and have the numbers make absolutely no sense.
IS Diesel, it exists! That would actually get me to give a glance at one. Maybe make the DI the "F sport" or some such gingerbread.
By pure economies of scale that engine must cost them next to nothing to produce.
They could build the engines here...
Going to be interesting to see what it happens to that car,as it is so much older than the competition, and sorely needs an update.
Would make sense to unveil at Tokyo or SEMA (new IS-F).
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20120506/OEM04/120509915#ixzz1uIP5xIow
Refreshing after hearing from Acura that they would not be going all out.
BMW's is big but not quite as big.
Benz' is the smallest but it's so sharp that it seemed more usable to me than BMW's system. HD for sure. Audi does their 3D buildings thing. Neat but TMI (too much info) if you ask me.
Will be checking out the 3 series and new C class early next month at a local event, so hopefully I can play with those systems a little, to see where the bar is set for the next IS.