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Toyota on the mend?



  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,507
    >Plenty of people, over the years, have had to listen to 'Your car is not a Toyota, so it sucks'. I don't have a Toyota, but i still enjoy the vehicles I own and drive.

    Over the last few years some have spent much time and effort doing just that posting into the GM threads on this forum. They had free reign. I personally feel it's a case of what goes around comes around.

    2015 Cruze 2LT, 2014 Malibu 2LT, 2008 Cobalt 2LT

  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,159
    But Toyota buys ads from us so that could hurt if they have to shift ad money to legal. Not to mention all the employees they have in the US building cars and trucks who could get laid off. And all their US suppliers.

    Well, according to posters on some of the GM boards, all of the profits go back to Japan, so Toyota's troubles couldn't hurt US jobs anyway, right? ;)
  • revitrevit Posts: 476
    List of vehicles affected by Toyota’s recall

    In an effort to help consumers, Leftlane has compiled an easy-to-read list of Toyota vehicles affected by the automaker’s pedal and floor mat recalls. If your vehicle is listed, make sure you contact Toyota or your local dealer to have the issue rectified.

    Should more vehicles be added to the recall, we’ll update this space. We’ve broken the list down into North American and European-market cars to best suit our audience, but it’s worth noting that other Toyotas across the globe have been recalled, as well. Some Toyotas intended for certain markets are also sold in limited quantities abroad. Again, if you have any questions, contact your local Toyota dealer for assistance.

    P = Pedal recall only
    F = Floor mat recall only
    B = Both recalls apply

    Note: Some Toyota vehicles were assembled in both Japan and North America. Japanese-built cars, identified by a vehicle identification number (VIN) that begins with J, have not been recalled for sticking pedal issues. Some have been recalled for floor mats, however.

    North American market Toyotas affected by recall
    Avalon (2005-2010) – B
    Camry (2007-2010, except Hybrid, J VIN) – B
    Camry (2007-2010 J VIN) – F
    Camry Hybrid (2007-2010) – F
    Corolla (2009-2010) – B
    Highlander (2008-2010, except Hybrid, J VIN) – B
    Highlander (2008-2010 J VIN) – F
    Highlander Hybrid (2008-2010) – F
    Matrix (2009-2010) – B
    Prius (2004-2009) – F
    RAV4 (2009-2010) – P
    Sequoia (2008-2010) – P
    Tacoma (2005-2010) – F
    Tundra (2007-2010) - B
    Venza (2009-2010) – F

    European market Toyotas affected by pedal recall
    Toyota’s United Kingdom office announced a pedal recall only for a number of European-market Toyotas. Check your vehicle’s build date (found on a sticker located in the driver’s door well) to verify when your car was assembled.

    AYGO manual transmission (2/2005-8/2009)
    iQ (11/2008-11/2009)
    Yaris (11/2005-9/2009)
    Auris (10/2006-1/2010)
    Corolla (10/2006-12/2009)
    Verso (2/2009-1/2010)
    Avensis (11/2008-12/2009)

    Non-Toyota products affected by pedal and/or floor mat recall
    Citroen C1 (2/2005-8/2009) – P
    Peugeot 107 (2/2005-8/2009) – P
    Pontiac Vibe (2009-2010) – B
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,179
    I think my favorite bumper sticker of all time fits this situation:

    My Karma Just ran over your Dogma
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    prior: "super-legal"

    your response: above legal speeds.

    So "super-illegal" is above illegal speeds? :D The author is a maroon, face it!
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    I've always received excellent customer service at both my Cadillac and Buick dealers. Their customer service and vehicles are top-drawer! The most surly service I received was at a VW and a Chrysler dealer.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,507

    Errrr, maroon is a dark shade of red. Might you mean "moron"?

    Now with this diversion from serious disagreement, back to the discussion.

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  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans should park their recalled Toyotas unless driving to dealers for accelerator repairs, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood warned Wednesday - then quickly took it back - as skepticism of company fixes grew and the government's probe expanded to other models in the U.S. and Japan. Questions now are being raised about the brakes on Toyota's marquee Prius hybrid.

    The Prius was not part of the most recent recall, but Japan's transport ministry ordered the company to investigate complaints of brake problems with the hybrid. LaHood said his department, too, was looking into brake problems. About 100 complaints over Prius brakes have been filed in the U.S. and Japan.

    Harried dealers began receiving parts to repair defective gas pedals in millions of vehicles and said they'd be extending their hours deep into the night to try and catch up. Toyota said that would solve the problem - which it said was extremely rare - of cars unaccountably accelerating.

    At a congressional hearing, LaHood said his advice to an owner of a recalled Toyota would be to "stop driving it. Take it to a Toyota dealer because they believe they have a fix for it." His comments prompted new questions and rattled Toyota stockholders, causing shares to plunge 8 percent before they recovered, declining 6 percent for the day.

    LaHood later told reporters, "What I said in there was obviously a misstatement. What I meant to say ... was if you own one of these cars or if you're in doubt, take it to the dealer and they're going to fix it."

    Adding to Toyota's woes, LaHood said his department had received new complaints about electronics and would undertake a broad review, looking beyond Toyota vehicles, into whether automobile engines could be disrupted by electromagnetic interference caused by power lines or other sources. Toyota has said it investigated for electronic problems and failed to find a single case pointing that direction.

    Toyota Motor Corp., in a statement, said if owners were experiencing problems with the accelerator pedal "please contact your dealer without delay. If you are not experiencing any issues with your pedal, we are confident that your vehicle is safe to drive."

    But the damage was done for many drivers.

    Meredyth Waterman, who bought a 2010 Toyota Corolla in December, said the alarming statements from Washington confused her and she planned to wait until her dealer told her to come get the fix to bring her car in for repairs.

    "If it is largely believed to be a rare instance, why would he tell people to stop driving their cars?" asked Waterman, of Burrillville, R.I. "It was an irresponsible thing to say."

    The confusion came as the world's No. 1 automaker dealt with fresh probes in the U.S. and Japan over the Prius, the best-selling gas-electric hybrid, and growing interest from congressional and other government investigators. Toyota has shut down several new vehicle assembly lines and is rushing parts to dealers to fix problems with the accelerators, trying to preserve a reputation of building safe, durable vehicles.

    Since October, Toyota first recalled about 5 million vehicles over problems with floor mats trapping gas pedals and now, in a recall announced Jan. 21, some 2.3 million vehicles amid concerns that gas pedals could become stuck or slow to return to the idle position. The latest recall involves 2009-10 RAV4 crossovers, 2009-10 Corollas, 2009-10 Matrix hatchbacks, 2005-10 Avalons, 2007-10 Camrys, 2010 Highlander crossovers, 2007-10 Tundra pickups and 2008-10 Sequoia SUVs.

    Lawmakers who are now digging into the recalls said they would also look into the Prius. Rep. Bart Stupak, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce investigative subcommittee, said his panel would request a briefing from Toyota officials about the hybrid.

    New York Rep. Edolphus Towns, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, sought more information about the acceleration issue from Yoshi Inaba, chairman and CEO of Toyota Motor North America and asked the question on the minds of Toyota owners: "Is it safe to drive the Toyota models that have been recalled?"

    Towns' committee, which is planning a Feb. 10 hearing, also wants more details on how Toyota handled complaints about pedal entrapment, reports of stuck accelerators and electrical problems. Other panels in the House and Senate also are planning hearings.

    Many consumer groups have questioned whether Toyota's fix will work and have asserted it could be connected to problems with the electronic throttle control systems.

    Joan Claybrook, who formerly lead Public Citizen, a watchdog group, noted that Toyota told owners during last year's recall to remove floor mats to keep the accelerator pedal from becoming jammed. "I don't think that's what the issue is. I think it has to be electronic when it slam dunks and takes off and goes 120 miles an hour," Claybrook said.

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meanwhile, asked CTS, the Indiana company that made the pedals behind Toyota's latest recall, if the same problem could exist for other automakers. CTS makes pedals for Honda, Nissan and a small number of Ford vehicles in China, but the auto supplier has said the issues are limited to Toyota alone.

    LaHood, who plans to speak with Toyota President Akio Toyoda about the recalls, said the government is considering civil penalties against the carmaker. But he also said that it appeared "Toyota is making an all-out effort to do all that they can to fix these cars."

    The Obama administration has been forced to backtrack on several statements during its first year, though LaHood's warning was particularly striking.

    Last year, when LaHood suggested the administration consider taxing motorists based on how many miles they drive instead of how much gasoline they buy, his comments were quickly rejected by the White House. Vice President Joe Biden triggered a day of backtracking after publicly swearing off trains and planes because of swine flu worries.

    LaHood's comments irked many dealers, who have been fielding calls from nervous customers for days. Most dealers are just getting the parts, a steel shim a couple of millimeters thick, to be inserted in the pedal assembly to address potential friction that could cause the pedal to stick.

    The secretary "has the best of intentions, but unfortunately we can't fix 100 cars at the same time," said Adam Lee, head of Lee Auto Malls and owner of a Toyota dealership in Topsham, Maine. "I'm sure he has the best of intentions but it may not be very constructive for us."

    Earl Stewart, who owns a Toyota dealership in North Palm Beach, Fla., said LaHood's comments "could instill panic." Stewart was expecting to begin making repairs - at half an hour per vehicle - later Wednesday.

    "We're leaving our service department open 'til the last customer tonight," he said. "After Ray LaHood's statement, it might
  • Actually I have had a positive experience with both a 1990 Toyota Celica (still own) and 1981 Buick Regal ( traded for 2001 Mercedes C240) both bought new by my family and owned for 20 years. Sometimes I wonder if there are any other posters on Edmunds that have owned both a Toyota and GM car for 20 or more years and love them both like I do.

    There are many unlucky Toyota owners with sludge engines, transmission hesitation, and acceleration/ cruise control issues from about 1998 to 2010. But I think over those years and the decades before, there are probably more satisfied Toyota owners that did not have any of those problems. If the above problems were more prevalent, I am sure word of mouth would have reduced Toyota's market share considerably.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,159
    The most surly service I received was at a VW and a Chrysler dealer.

    I don't have Chrysler experience, but surly at VW I can confirm.

    Of course the Mercury dealer also added a bunch of cr%p work to the routine maintenance for our van, yet didn't even flush the coolant or change the air filter like the schedule required. They invented their own maintenance schedule and ripped me off for it. But they had a nice attitude. :mad:
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    Have the Toyota workers been laid-off? I haven't heard anything about it but I assumed Toyota wouldn't have them standing idle in the factories all day or sweeping the floors.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    My co-worker has a 2001 Chevrolet Silverado with over 100K+ on it and he tells me he really loves the truck.
  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    My worst experience was at a Buick dealership...Best were at Honda/toyota.
    And in luxury,Lexus was the best...So what`s the point ?? :D
  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    I have owned Toyotas and driven a million miles on them...Saturn was the worst car I had So my experience says Toyota is the best and GM is the worst !! :shades:
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    Errrr, maroon is a dark shade of red. Might you mean "moron"?

    I guess you weren't a fan of Bugs Bunny? Ring a carrot now? :D That's All Folks !!
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    Yeah, but Toyota would arrogantly proclaim their reliability, quality, fuel economy, and resale value and were unquestioningly supported by large following of fanboys and publications like CR that worshiped them like they were a god. Toyota had a cult of personality that made Josef Stalin look modest. They put on this magnificent aura of invincibility and infallibility and now look like the holier-than-thou televangelist who was caught in a motel room with an underage boy. Toyota was the gleaming diamond-encrusted golden idol that was finally knocked-off its towering pedestal and revealed to be quite ordinary and vulnerable. The gold was really 10K electroplate. The diamonds are glass.
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    And you've owned 2 vehicles in your life? But worst and best infers 3+.
    I don't care if Toyota service people shine my shoes, and the car doesn't even wear out its tires ... it's as boring as eating cold spaghetti w/no sauce each morning for breakfast.

    I'm neither pro or con Toyota. But if this whole issue could be made-up and blown out of proportion, I think it would have happened years ago. Why would Toyota's enemies wait so long, to implement a smear-campaign if they could? If it was simply a smear-campaign against Toyota then you wouldn't see Toyota recalling cars and apologizing. If you were accused of robbing a bank, and you didn't do it, would you be apologizing and giving $ to the bank?
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    Oh oh. I just had my Mercury Grand Marquis LS in for service. I hope they didn't screw me. Well, they were very nice about it.
  • driver56driver56 Posts: 408
    Maroon also can mean a loud firework.
    Now, what topic are we on?

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,179
    Are you talking about Steve Wozniak's bogus conplaint?

    Do you only consider blogs you agree with as credible. I know you like to denigrate sources you disagree with in the media. So who is to say that Woz would not have his Prius in the EU where they have reasonable speed limits on many highways? The fact is the Cruise control is not operating properly. If it continues raising the speed when you let off on the control. With the shaky brakes on the Prius, not having a decent speed control adds to the danger. Maybe you can give us your theory on what Woz, a big time proponent, of the Prius has to gain by complaining to Toyota. Is it just possible he is trying to save Toyota from further embarrassment, and they are TOO STUPID to figure that out? That would be my guess.
  • kenymkenym Posts: 405
    Well, according to posters on some of the GM boards, all of the profits go back to Japan, so Toyota's troubles couldn't hurt US jobs anyway, right?

    This sort of mentality from some of the posters on the GM boards and other boards are probably why our Country is in sooo much trouble today. :sick:
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America I70 & I75 Posts: 21,507
    Back in November or December when I was searching the internet for acceleration problems, I found a link about another eastern country forcing toyota to fix the brakes on the Prius. There was something about an auxiliary pump to power the brakes and it failed in some way. I assume when running in electric mode, the brake vacuum is supplemented or are the brakes hydraulic on the Prius. There was a problem with that pump. I seem to recall that the country said they couldn't sell the cars there until that pump or problem was fixed. Talk about deja vu.

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  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    I've had many GM vehicles as has my wife. I was really surprised at how clean and modern and how professional the personnel and service was at the Chevrolet dealer from which she bought her 2001 Impala. The place could've shamed the dealerships of most upscale makes.

    Never owned a Toyota so I can't really tell you how good or bad their cars or service are, but the sales experience is absolutely awful! I foolishly went with my girlfriend who is now my wife to look at a Camry and the salesmen were like sharks and barracudas zeroing in on a wounded bleeding seal. If we ever considered a Toyota, we would never again based on that experience alone. My co-worker, who owns a Honda, told me he had a similar experience at a different Toyota dealer.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    I would trust Woz if he said something was wonky with the car's software or firmware. The man is practically a software guru. What has he to gain by downing Toyota? It isn't as if Priuses are built by Microsoft. Shoot, maybe Toyota should work with him to find out if the problem is really a software/firmware issue?
  • berriberri Posts: 7,969
    maybe Toyota should work with him to find out if the problem is really a software/firmware issue?

    Totally agree. Woz is a self made millionaire who doesn't need money from Toyota. He also is a proven computer guy. While the dealer can't drive it above posted speed limits, maybe Toyota should take it to a test track and see what's going on (and maybe do this in a hurry!!!).
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    The NHTSA has been unusually critical of Toyota in this go-round of recall bashing.

    Obama officials step up pressure on Toyota (MSNBC)

    Surely it has nothing to do with this:

    "The US on Wednesday criticised guidelines issued by Japan for its “cash for clunkers” programme, as a disagreement over American carmakers’ access to the plan flared up again.

    Ron Kirk, US trade representative, said he was “disappointed” with Japan’s decision to judge the eligibility of US cars according to their emissions in city traffic only, instead of combined city and highway traffic. This, Mr Kirk said, would “limit the number of US auto models that qualify” for the programme."

    Fresh spat over ‘cash for clunkers’ scheme (Financial Times)
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    Yep, have to agree with you that Woz has no motive to go after Totyota, and he's an expert. The reporter of that article 20-or-so posts ago looks foolish. He might as well go tell the world, that Peyton Manning doesn't know how to read a defense; or that Mario Andretti can't tell when a suspension is setup right.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,726
    Typically, Toyota will use down time in its factories for staff training, and I'm sure this time is no exception. It is highly unlikely that for a 10-day stoppage it would have laid anyone off.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • Up another quarter today. Best stock pick of my life. Up 561% since I bought in. As long as Toyota is flailing I think F is a safe haven.

    Just remember you are buying stock in a company that is 30 billion dollars in debt. That said, I am enjoying the run up as well.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    Interesting that this is working out as I had felt from the beginning meaning there was a problem somewhere in firmware/software or something electrical affecting the computer.

    And how are you so sure of this? Just because most posters are speculating the same thing?
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