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2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
If they can start it out at lets say $27K and it tops out at lets say in the mid-high $30K range with top notch quality, gadgets, it should be a butt kicker.
Rocky
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Well some rumors have a fully loaded Genesis 4.6 V8 with 350 hp topping out in the mid $30's which if they can do it that cheap and still deliver the goods that would be truely amazing. Hell if Hyundai can keep it in the high $30K range it would still be remarkable. The rumor is this engine is capable of 500 hp. I'd like to see Hyundai offer a 500 hp hybrid version for $40-45K now that would buying a much more powerful LS600h for half the money I believe it can be done. Hell a 350hp Genesis, would be plenty of power but I'd still like them to surprise me. I hope they keep on refining this car and adding to it before they sign off on the final version.
The bottom line is this car will shock the world. If they (HYUNDAI) are going to take the big 3 out.....They might as well take everyone else out also. :surprise:
Rocky
P.S. I'd probably go Accent over Aveo also.
I think its too early to say Hyundai gonna take every car maker out of the car game. Hyundai sales are flat in the US this year basically so far. I mean Elantra sales were good last month and Santa Fe sales are pretty good but Sonata sales sank like a rock going down to the ocean floor from 17K Sonata's sold in the month March of 2006 down to 10K in the month of March of 2007. The 17k Sonata's sold in March of 2006 was a artficial number I think because Hyundai sold alot of 06 Sonata's to rental fleets for a period of time last year I think.
Remember, I know we don't like to peruse over thoughts like this, but the world's finest students(yep, out of high school and college)scoring the best on tests, uh-huh, come from South Korea.
I didn't leave my Sportage 4x4 behind out of unhappiness with Kia, far from it. They're on their way upwards and they will succeed.
It's just this certain 4-door sedan with sporty appeal from Mitsu that stole my heart(and my wife's, too!).
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Personally, I object as a taxpayer to having to subsidize YOUR vehicle choice in the form of tax credits. I am not paying the same to Hummer/Excursion owners.
For the record, I am getting 35 mpg in a gas vehicle. The toxic wastes created by disposing of my battery will be a slight fraction of yours. Also, I have cut my driving in half in the past couple years.
You ended up getting a Corolla, right? My uncle has an '03 Corolla, and, with the way gas prices are getting, I asked him if I could borrow it this last weekend when I went up for the car show in Carlisle, PA. Round trip was 128 miles. I used a grand total of 6.09 gallons, for an average of about 37.4 mpg. Sure beats the heck out of the 14 I might've been lucky to get with my pickup or '79 New Yorker!
Now honestly, I don't find it to be a very comfortable car because legroom is too short for me. My uncle's Corolla is a base model though. I've noticed that the nicer models have an extra lever on the seat that seems to make the seat angle back a bit, which helps a bit with thigh support.
Oh, and as for those 14 mpg vehicles? Well I guess I can kinda justify that with my 3.5 mile commute to work. Also, I probably only drive about 5-6,000 miles per year these days.
Once I get in the car, I am fine. Getting in is tricky but doable. Besides, I use the car as a commuter appliance. Longer trips are done using my wife's Impala or a rental car. (Just rented a PT Cruiser in St. Louis for $14 for two days OTD at Hertz. Lousy car, maybe 24 mpg on mostly highway driving.)
I don't care what you drive. That is your decision. It makes NO sense to me to go out and buy a car just for the better gas mileage in MOST cases. For me, the '89 Ciera was getting pretty scary ... I mean adventurous. Also, I believe it was leaking gasoline.
Now that the weather is approaching 70, I will start taking the train into work a couple of times a weel. Four miles a day would not be the worst thing
Do realize that the money you save on gas buying a new car is largely offset by sales tax and higher insurance premiums ... as I am currently finding.
At the same time I refuse to drive any late model vehicle that STILL uses DRUM brakes. :mad:
I am not much of a Kia supporter but I was thinking about the other day on how the mid to late 90's Sportage looked and I liked the way they looked 10 years ago. The Sportage had a nice elegant look to it for that time period.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Second to that would be any of the big SUVs. They're impractical, and I don't want to feel like I'm driving my living room around. There would be far fewer of these monsters around if people who want the functionality of a minivan weren't too vain to be seen in one.
Now for a car I wouldn't drive on a dare, I would put the Plymouth Prowler on my list. I thought I'd never seen a car so ugly in modern times – then along comes Scion! The Scion xB (last year's model - it's even uglier now) tops my list right now. I rode in a friend of mine's xB, and while it's ok, as long as you're not in an Oklahoma crosswind, I at least was a passenger and not driving it! I feel like if I want to be in a UPS truck I'll go find a real one! I wouldn't own one if it were free.
As the proud and grateful owner of a '98 Corolla, I couldn't possibly agree with you more! And if they make generationX a better looking car than what's out there now, I, too, will reconsider Toyota for my next vehicle!
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I think image is a strong motivating factor for many who choose a Smart, rather than rational factors.
As an only car the Smart may not be the best choice, but as a second commuter car its a very good choice.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
It'll be interesting to see how the Smart retains its value. If its depreciation is similar to the MINI's, then I'll reevaluate my opinion regarding the Smart, because it will mean that the market considers it a good value. If it suffers rapid depreciation, as I suspect, then the smart buyer would be well served to buy a two year old, low mileage Smart for, say, $8,000.
That will be interesting to see, as they may not even be done with the current order backlog by January 2010, never mind whoever else signs up in the next 18 months.
FWIW - I like the Smart, but if I were dead, I hope no one catches me driving one.
That said, anywhere outside of a tight parking situation you're absolutely right - the Smart is selling more on image than economics.
Clever play on words! Unfortunately, it's true from what I've heard. Too bad, because the Renault 5 (LeCar in the U.S.) was fuel and space efficient, rode well for a small car, and in its quirky way, was cute
Long-Term Test: 2008 Smart Fortwo Passion Coupe
If I could have one TV/movie car, it would be the Muenster-mobile.
Not be caught dead in - most cars are decent theses days; but anything that reminds me of the Dodge Omni & Plymouth Horizons, and K-cars.
2. New gen Ford Focus
3. New gen Saturn Vue
4. Previous gen Huyndai Accent (or all prev gens)
5. Ford Taurus (Previous gen)
6. Toyota Camry (all gens without the ground effects)
7. Toyota Corolla (prev gen excluding S)
8. Lincoln Navigator (new gen)
9. Hummer H2,H3
10. All lifted GM trucks
11. Geo Metro
12. New Toyota Matrix
13. VW beetle
i think i will stop here for now
My point is that "better choices" are totally dependent on the person doing the buying. Most people drive to work either alone or with one other person in the car. If that is the case why get a car that will almost always be used as a commuter car that has more capacity? Especially if it will get poorer gas mileage?
As for me I cannot think of a more perfect car for myself (main car will be the wifes) to go to and from work and run my little errands and go to places like the post.
If you can think of a better car let me know.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
BMW X3, X5, Z4, 7-series, 6-series, 1-series
Cadillac XR
Chevrolet Avalanche, SSR, HHR, Trailblazer
Dodge Durango
Ford Edge, Taurus/500, Expedition, F-150
Honda Ridgeline, Element, Fit
Hummer everything
Jaguar X-series, S-series
Lexus all SUVs, SC
Lincoln's "F-150", Navigator
Mercedes-Benz CLS, all SUVs, all roadsters/coupes
Mini Cooper all versions
Pontiac Aztek, GTO (new one)
Toyota Avalon
Buggatti Veyron (actually saw one recently --- WAY uglier in person.)
Everything from Bentley, Rolls, and Maybach, all disgusting pieces of garbage
I think the H2 and H3 are incredibly tacky, and they're slower, more expensive, have worse visibility, less storage, and lower fuel mileage than the Trailblazer and Tahoe platforms they are based on. If you want a great off-roader, buy a Wrangler. If you want a midsize-to-large GM SUV, much better choices are available at Chevrolet and GMC dealerships.
Chrysler 300
Jeep Commander, Patriot, Liberty, Compass (they killed the coolest one, the Cherokee.)
Nissan 350z, Rogue, Titan, Armada
Lamborghini all models
Lotus all models (insect)
Maserati 4-door
Just kidding.....How about the Malcolm Bricklin specials? How do you feel about Subarus, the Bricklin and, of course, the unforgettable Yugo? Do you think Chrysler will have any luck with the Chery instead of ol' Mac?
Subies? Well, shoot, you asked...
Like: Impreza, Legacy
Don't like: WRX/STi, Outback, Tribeca, Forrester
I've never heard of Malcolm... let's just stay consistent and say I hate it.
-Redneck bigfoot style pick up trucks with mud instead of paint.
-Hummer
-Any Lincoln or Cadillac SUV's or pick ups.
-Dodge Avenger, Caliber
-Jeep Commander, Compass, Patriot
-Ford Taurus/Sable Tempo/Topaz Windstar Freestyle
-Mazda Rx7
-Chevy Cobalt, MonteCarlo, Equinox
-Honda Ridgeline,Pilot New Accord is UGGLLYYY
-Nissan Sentra
-Saturn ION, VUE
-GM's new Acadia, Outlook they are porkers, fat-ugly and horrendous fuel economy
-Chrysler Pacifica, Aspen
-Buick LeSabre/Park Avenue Pontiac Boneville Olsmobile Aurora
I would never be caught dead in an Aztek Oh, and we drive a Odessey and a Subaru Legacy GT.
Any SUV
Any crossover
I dunno, I actually kinda like the Pacifica. I think its biggest problem is that if you really need a minivan or SUV, then you need to go BUY a minivan or SUV and a Pacifica just isn't going to cut it. I think the Pacifica is a fairly attractive looking vehicle, though. I just probably wouldn't buy one.