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Oh, and execellent diesel engines.
- Any GM vehicle with plastic slathered on bottom half
- Chevette
- BMW X3, 1 Series hardtop
- Geo Metro
- New Honda Accord
- Most Saturns, expecially ION
- 1968 Plymouth Belvedere (still emotionally scarred by using it to take date to the Prom)
- Lada (for you Canadians), also Hyundai Pony
- Lumina Minivan
- Ford Maverick
- Ford Tempo, Mercury Topaz
- Cadillac Cimarron
- AMC Gremlin, Hornet
- Austin Marina, turns into rust before your eyes
- Datsun B210
What???!! You liked the Pacer??!!
I'm curious what the beef was with the '68 Belvedere? I always thought the '68-70 Plymouth intermediates were gorgeous. But IIRC, the Belvedere was the bottom feeder by that time, basically what they used for taxis and police cars. The nicer ones were Satellites, Roadrunners, or GTXes. And I guess, if it was a ratted-out used car by the time prom came around, it would be an embarrassment.
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Bill
I know the Cobalt tends to take a lot of criticism, but there are a few things about it I like. Mainly the front seats. I've heard complaints about them having poor support, contouring, or whatever, but the Cobalt is actually one of the few small cars I could actually stretch out in. So just for that, I have to give the car some credit. Now on the downside, the back seat feels pretty cramped, but it's rare that I get chauffeured around in my own car, so I'd rather they put more effort into the front seat. What kind of fuel economy do you get with the Cobalt? It doesn't seem so hot, according to the EPA estimates, but at least you get a fairly powerful engine as a tradeoff. And then, like you said, there's the low price.
As for the Uplander, I really don't care for them, and that front end they worked onto them in the final years to try to make them look more SUV-ish. But then, I don't think there's a minivan out there that I can say turns me on. It's just the nature of the beast. They're not meant to be sexy. They're meant to be functional.
The invoice was $14,909--we started there. There was a total of $3,000 in rebates, my $1,500 in GM Card monies was upped to $2,000 until 6/2, and I got $2,400 for my old Cavalier with 112K miles. I think I did well.
Bill
Bill
JETTA - The best chick car ever! Hey I'm a dude
PLYMOUTH HORIZON, DODGE OMNI - no need to expound
K CAR and other 2.2 lITER DERIVATIVES (Lebaron) - Experiences via family ownership were horrible: blown trannies at 20k, burnt turbos at 25k and worst of all - they looked like trash and sounded like an old man wheezing when you pressed the gas. I can't believe they saved the company with this car...but they did.
PRIUS - It's not an anti-green thing, it's that I can't been seen in an automobile that is about being seen being green.
BMW 3 SERIES - Does everyone who needs to make a statment really have to buy the best car in the segment and then muck it up for everyone else. Great car, not the image for me. Never have met a car guy that owns one (sans M3). Maybe I'm more image conscience than the 3 owners with whom I attempt to disassociate with. Interesting. :shades:
NEW BEETLE: See Jetta above. Old beetles magically are cooler now that they are no longer made. In 70's - not cool.
Just picked up a 2009 Murano as well - of course not a choice for sports sedan folks, but practical and fun toys galore. It drives ok, but we passed on an FX.
At least it's not a woody panel PT cruiser, which i should have on my list!
Sorry other than hybrids no other gas powered car comes close to the Smart in gas mileage. I found the Smart to be a fun car to drive.
PLYMOUTH HORIZON, DODGE OMNI - no need to expound
Had one, it was a good car handled pretty good and was somewhat fun to drive. Someone made a left turn infront of me and ended up getting another this time it was a GLH, that was a blast.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
The GLH was a great car among a bunch of lame compacts, except for the GTI. I used to love the turbo lagged punch the 2.2 could provide, for a while anyway, in that smaller lighter package. My sister had the vanilla omni and I remember not being able to pass a loaded garbage truck.
For instance, most plain-jane pickups project a positive image (no-nonsense, hard-working, sensible), but when tarted up with silly jacked-up pavement-queen bits (or slammed on hydraulics & Dayton wires), they are embarrassing beyond belief.
Honda Civics are nice, efficient transport, but when "tuned" by a pimply, hormone-enraged F&F fanboy, they become a buzzy, annoying tribute to bad taste & lousy driving.
I find most Tahoes & Yukons inoffensive, but if they're sportin' "dubs", limo-tint & necklaces hanging from the interior mirror, the IQ of the driver is magically lower than their shoe size, and you can count on them having the stereo cranked WAY up & the windows half-down so that we can hear there mindless FM-radio crap. :sick:
Any tiny cars. Just for comfort's sake, and most of them are truly stupid looking on top of it. I have size 14 feet, and a lot of cars are torture for me to even be in for a short period. I use my feet as the first hurdle a vehicle has to pass when I consider buying one. A lot of them just aren't right for someone with big feet! I don't like my knees up against the dash either..
Small Pickups. All the problems of the tiny cars, with less gas milage, and a worse ride.
Any car or truck with huge wheels. A friend recently bought a Ford F150 at a great price, with 22 or 24" wheels on it. It looked ridiculous! He put the wheels on Ebay, and got a ton of money for them. He bought some sanely sized wheels and tires for it, and still had $600 left! 20" wheels are as big as I would ever want to go, on a car or truck. Giant wheels slow the vehicle down, are fragile, and ride bad too. They look even worse..
Is Volkswagen making one of those things, too? When you said "4-door coupe", I was also thinking of car like the Benz CLS or VW Passat CC. I do kinda like those. They remind me a bit of the old hardtop sedans of a bygone era. Even though they come with a B-pillar these days, overall they're still pretty sleek compared to the regular sedans.
Come to think of it, the X-car models reversed the sedan/hatchback order, with the more popular priced Celebrity and Phoenix sedans being fastbacks and the more premium priced Omega and Skylark featuring notchback styling.
Although styling is largely a matter of taste, I prefer the looks of the BMW 5-Series, Mercedes E-Class and Passat sedans to their 4-door coupe counteparts.
It's late, so maybe I didn't express my points very logically.
+1 on that!
I could see myself owning a diesel, but not a hybrid, unless there's a major breakthrough in battery technology. Whatever I buy has to make economic sense, without government incentives, and be fun to drive.
Really really want VW to give us that 3-row version they showed off at the auto show. That would most certainly be my wife's next vehicle if it delivers as promised.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Diesel hybrid sounds interesting, but a Prius is still probably too dorky for my delicate ego :shades:
Well, there is this hybrid...
I don't think they ran that ad for very long, although it did spawn a few bumper stickers. Just as the Cummins Diesel did. :shades:
I think cars have gotten to the point that I actually might consider a hybrid, but it would be something like a Ford Fusion, or possibly a slightly-used Altima. Something that looked like a "normal" car rather than dorky.
My driving habits would never justify one based solely on cost savings, but I do like the idea of having to fill up less often.
2) 2012 Fiat 500
3) 1992 Plymouth Acclaim
4) 2002 Pontiac Aztec
Absolute, worst car ever: 1985 Yugo GV. It had a rear defroster, supposedly to keep your hands warm while you pushed it.
But, why the Plymouth Acclaim? Did you have bad a personal experience with one? I've ridden in and driven a few Acclaims and Spirits back in the day, and while there's not too much compelling about them, I don't remember anything out and out "bad" about them. They were supposed to be Chrysler's "midsize" car, taking over for the old Dodge 600 and Plymouth Caravelle. But they seemed to be sized as sort of a "tweener" car...a bit bigger than a Tempo or Corsica, but a bit smaller than a Taurus or Lumina.
Personally, I'd rather have an Acclaim than a Corsica or Tempo (one reason I hate the Tempo is that my stepdad had one, and it brings back bad childhood memories). I'd take one of a Lumina as well. Probably a toss-up between an Acclaim and a Taurus of that era, although I'm not exactly clamoring to re-experience either one!
I'll give you the Yugo, though! I can't think of one nice thing to say about that car!
I'd hate an Aztek too. Probably next on my list would be a Ford Aspire ('aspire to an Escort, next?') and a Geo Metro.
Current vehicles? As I've mentioned before, I think the Cube is the ugliest vehicle since the dawn of prehistory. I hate the Juke, although I have to say the Buick Encore resembles a chromed-up Juke in some aspects IMHO.
2) 2012 Fiat 500
3) 1992 Plymouth Acclaim
4) 2002 Pontiac Aztec
No doubt someone already mentioned Smart. That has got to be at the top of the list.
Not available yet, but the batman/batcar looking new Corvette needs to be added to the list. Who besides young boys, who can't drive or buy it, along with guys with gold chain necklaces would like the styling of this car? And, what about the safety of a Corvette in the event of a head-on collision.
The Plymouth Acclaim being mentioned earlier strikes me as odd, too. While a bland invisible car, it wasn't particularly bad - just a larger updated K-car. Can't say it is more objectionable than a Corsica or Tempo.
As for crash protection, I'm sure the Corvette would score pretty well. Just as long as you don't go up under a truck or something!
I tend to not like driving real showy cars either (obviously!)--I call it the 'car as phallic symbol' thing. That said, I'm blowing myself out of the water on that one as I would enjoy owning a new Corvette at some point after the kids are out of the house, and my wife is even 'in' on that plan! I would buy as low-key a 'Vette as possible though--absolutely not red, yellow, white, silver, or black--I like 'Carlisle Blue' on the C6--and I'd buy the standard wheels and probably pretty much the standard car to keep the price down, although I'd insist on the glass top. And no personalized license plate!
It's definitely a 'car as phallic symbol' too, obviously, but I think its history and heritage and really, being the only American product like it (I link Mustangs to Camaros; also, Vipers compete but IMHO don't have the heritage and history), all that stuff overcomes that negative label.
Plus, what else would I take across Route 66? LOL
Again--it CAN"T be red, yellow, white, black, or silver!
Agree totally. It looks like it would have been roomier inside than either a Corsica or Tempo.
I used to see oldsters driving them quite a bit around here, but can say the same about the majority of Studebaker Larks I remember seeing as a kid.
Interior volumes were as follows:
Acclaim/Spirit: 97/14 (passenger volume/trunk space)
Corsica: 95/14
Tempo/Topaz: 89/13 (oddly, the 2-door was slightly larger, at 90/13 :confuse: )
Pontiac Grand Am: 90/13 (and oddly again, the 2-door was slightly larger at 91/13)
Interestingly, the old Dodge 600/Plymouth Caravelle, which the Spirit/Acclaim replaced, had the same passenger volume, 97 cubic feet, but a larger trunk, at 17. Somehow, the Spirit/Acclaim seemed smaller to me though. Maybe they were a bit shorter and narrower, but taller? Inside, they seemed to have a bit less shoulder room, but legroom was about the same. Perhaps headroom was greater, and that's what kept the interior volume the same?
I usually don't notice headroom differences in cars. It seems like I either fit okay, or I have to slouch. But once the clearance enough that I can lean forward without brushing my head against the ceiling, I really don't notice it. However, I do notice differences in shoulder and legroom more.
With four people riding in it, shoulder room's not much of an issue for us.
And, I was actually surprised when I read that the '08-12 Malibu only had 53.9" of shoulder room in back, I've been in a few, and I swear it seemed a lot roomier than that.
I guess that's still pretty impressive, even today. I'd imagine something like an Altima, Accord, or Camry can get close to that, with their V-6es. But, they're also using a lot more hp and torque to get those results!