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i dont race anyway, so i dont really know why im talkin so much about this. all i was tryin to say was i like the Si better than the new Gti. one day i was like im going to buy a new car, so i went to several dealerships a day for a weak or so test driving cars, then i decided to get the si.
the dyno charts show that this car after headers, intake, exhaust and the chip w/heatshield, makes a little less power to the wheels (just hp that is) than a stock gti.
don't worry about your car man, its a great choice and you should enjoy it!
It is probably safe to assume that the same improvement is achieved in a Mazda3 with side airbags. Just go to the IIHS website, www.iihs.org, and look at cars that have been tested with and without side airbags.
After writing this, i just realized you could be talking about the regular mazda 3 and not the mazdaspeed 3. lol, in that case ive never driven a mazda 3. I wish they made the mazdaspeed 3 in that sedan rather than only that hatchback.
If you go to the store and look at MotorTrends new issue. They put the Si up against the new Nissan Spec-V. But in it has a very good review of the Si that is very accurate after driving my Si for 8 months(except mines coupe, not sedan).
I use to be a very proud owner of a 06 Civic EX Sedan, 5MT, w/Navi. The wife and I purchased a 05 Accord EX 5AT and really liked the car. So what the heck I got a very early 8th gen. Civic. It turned out to be a :lemon: .
Here is a list of warranty issues.
Heater duct fell off.
Power steering leak.
Deformed side trunk liners.
Bad drivers window switch.
Bad right rear spring.
Both rear tires had belt speration.
Dash insert warped around speedo.
ECU failure.
Dealers repaired all of this.
Then it had a rear wheel bearing go bad. I replaced both of them myself.
Its always had a alignment issue. Right rear tire worn on the inside edge.
Then this past weekend I found the inner door seals to be roting out. The drivers door seal failed. Then something let loose in the right rear of the car. Whack bang waddle waddle.
So I got rid of it. Traded it for a new Base, 07 Mazda3 S Touring Sedan. Its Purple Mica.
To compare the MZ3 to a Si is a bit of a joke. Its like apples to oranges. Comparing to a EX Sedan is the thing to do.
MZ3 has more motor, more sporty suspension, 17" wheels, Better brakes! Traction Control, fog lights, better seats, a bit more room and less road noise. And I think better fit and finish than my Civic had. The audio system is better. My Bass Link will work nice in the trunk.
The Civic had the really cool dash IMO and a tactual feel on cockpit controls only Lexus can match. Ergonomics where great! I liked the drivers seat better than our Accords. The clutch was feather light. The R-18 was smooth as butter and a real mpg getter. If Honda had done the R-18 lean burn. There would be no HCHII. I really like the sun roof and Navi. And I already miss the trunk remote on the fob.
I can share with you the MZ3 is easy to drive compared to the Civic. The Civic just doesn't have enough torque. The R-18 is a surprising engine once broke in. Ive taken a few stock ep3's to school with the stock R-18. It jumped up and surprised them. But I can tell the MZ3 will get the R-18 once broken in.
Im a hypermiler. I spend a lot of time driving for fuel economy. No flaming please. I commute 80 to 125 miles a day. Thats why the Civic had 41.441 miles on it in almost 19 months. The MZ3 will get good mpg but ,,, I don't think it will ever step up to the Civics mpg.
I can share with you the Civic had no rattles or squeaks. Not so much as a loud material rub. And zero wind noise. All it offered up was road noise and a audio system for cabin noise. Almost Accord like. But not as quite as my daughters 04 Camry. Not bad for a Civic,,, at all. Im already hearing material rubs in the MZ3.
To compare these two cars is almost impossible. What one does well the other doesn't. I would hate to have both these cars in my drive way. I would be like a woman trying to figure out which outfit to wear today. They both have style, tude, good engineering, and the ability to please.
Trading the Civic off was like having to put a pet down. Just didn't want to do it. But ,,, just didn't have a choice. The call had to be made.
As for the deal. I got above KBB for the trade on the Civic. Did good on it. I didn't fare so well on the MZ3. $17700 OTD, including dest. Not bad,,, but could have been better. I figure if I'd limped the Civic home and purchased the Mazda3 today I would have got it for $17,200. O well I was done with the Civic and home was 40 miles away in a very crippled car.
I wish my Civic had been one of the solid ones. Or I would still be in it.
psy
The Sandman
http://kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=126884
psy
also, i kept comparing the mazdaSpeed 3 to the Si, not the regular 3 series to the Si.
whats the power like in the regular 3 series, size and hp/tq?
You got aboove KBB for a very crippled car? I think you made out extremely well, and 17700 OTD looks like a great deal on it's own. Invoice is 18135
Suprised you still liked it at all after all this!
The r18 is a great engine; if they would have put the r20 in the new civics the mileage to power ratio would have been wonderful! ep3's actually have some competition! (not so great of a feat though, seeing as how that years si was pretty lame performance wise.)
sorry about your woes, but i'm sure you'll enjoy your car.
oh, and themosticles: the numbers for the 2.0 in the 3 are 148hp and i think about 135lbs of torque.
the 2.3 has 158 hp and 150 lbs of torque.
I still like the new Civics. i just got a bad one.
psy
To tell you the truth. I would have rather had a Lancer RallyArt. But the dealer had no 07's left. Being stung by a 06 Civic. There was no way I was going to do a first year Mitsu. And the nicer motor wont be out until 09 I think it is.
So this left the 3. It has features Civic doesn't. TCS is a big one. It handles very well. Corners better than a Civic,dx,lx,ex. And it will stop better also. I also wanted more low end grunt. The 3 is easier to drive than the Civic. The better low end helps a lot in ease of drive ability.
I will miss the fuel economy I was getting in the Civic. I hypermile a lot on my daily grind to and from work. I was getting high 40 and low 50 mpg tanks out of the Civic before I traded it.
I expect mid to high 40 mpg tanks out of the MZ3 after its broke in. I expect good things from this car. :shades:
psy
I had 23k on mine before i traded it in; she was 11 months old.
Moreover, popularity isn't a good yardstick for quality. Anyone who bought one would almost have to notice how worthless the A/C was, yet still be dumb enough to buy one.
anyway, i respect your decision, not trying to be rude or anything. Everyone likes different styles and what not. have fun wit er
Because the A/C went, makes the car "garbage" A bit fast to come to that conclusion, don't you think? Every reliability survey states that the Mazda3 is a great vehicle. Also, the A/C issue has been rectified in the newer models
Calling Mazda a "Japanese Ford" is a bit much.
Would you jump all over the recent poster in this thread, who's Civic literally fell apart on him, if he called a Honda a piece of junk? I doubt it.
the mpg figures for the si and the 3 are roughly the same, and many si owners are exceeding epa.
interior better? hmm..different, but i wouldn't say 'better'.
Don't know where your mileage numbers come from, but last I looked fueleconomy.com showed a difference of 3.2 mpg based on actual driving experience.
As far as interior is concerned, leather, Bose, and a back seat someone could actually fit in were enough for me.
They got great reviews in 2004, straight thru 2007. I'd like to see a negative one, if you can find it
>>Moreover, popularity isn't a good yardstick for quality. Anyone who bought one would almost have to notice how worthless the A/C was, yet still be dumb enough to buy one."
I have an 06 and my a/c is not an issue, and that is with 100 degree humid days
Now that you bought the si(which loses in every comparison done to date to the Speed 3) you don't need to show us how happy you are with your underdog..go brag in the civic forum that one Mazda3 had an A/C replaced..
Enjoy your si, and don't think it's a civic.
http://www.reviewcentre.com/vt101989_start0_orderasc.html
That is not fair to the Honda Civic people. Showing them evidence that their Honda actually can have problems is just wrong! We should only state problems with other brands, for, they are and never will be flawless like the Honda Civic.
I guess I am out of line as well for posting the following link....
http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_display.cfm?release=25480
2nd thing: i think comparing 2 brands that are usually thought of as better than average with regards to reliability and to have either one called junk by an owner/fan of the other is silly.
so i kinda disagree with c's comments as well as the honda ones. both are good cars.
come one guys, most car reviews that favor the car NEVER
EVER
EVER
EVER take into consideration long term reliability. (sometimes a honda review will throw it in or mention resale value but thats about it.)
and yes i know that the 3 has gotten consistent good reviews in later years...but then again they are testing a NEW car right? not just re-using an older tester again?
in fact, i can't think of anyone who has had their 3 in a long term fleet...if there is a site i'd love to read up on it.
i'm NOT arguing the 3 is a bad car at all, i'm just saying that the concept of reliability issues coming up during the early miles of the car regardless of year wont show what long term reliability is, so no one, not a honda or mazda guy, can go by that. :sick:
nothing wrong with an underdog...in fact, most people agree that the si actually handles BETTER than the mazda, and i know a few edmunds and c/d tests put certain grip and slalom numbers on par if not better than the 3. and the shifter is worlds better on the civic than on the speed 3.
Tq and acceleration? yeah you have your winner...but you don't have anything new or typcial of the brand: anyone can turbo a large engine and excpect good acceleration.
Cz has no need to brag in the civic forums about mazda 3's having a/c problems, enough people do it here.
didn't understand the comment about enjoying one's si and not thinking its a civic...is that suppossed to be like derogatory? its a type of civic, so i don't see how your comment makes any sense at all.
"its a type of civic"hint: It's ugggggly! It's a Japanese Saturn! Made out of plastic :P
I don't see asmany problems as the Honda civic, or as many problems occuring on one car that would make you think you are looking at the Audi forums!
"edmunds and c/d tests put certain grip and slalom numbers on par if not better than the 3"
Did they check the tire'sidewalls? M.T. did, and on the race track the car could not hold up to the rest because of the tires!! The side walls were almost gone!
tireson the 3 after 3 laps looked new! So enjoy tour turns, just keep it slow.
its all good bro.
its a type of civic"hint: It's ugggggly! It's a Japanese Saturn! Made out of plastic
who needs a hint? and why are you hinting at something that it isn't? there are so many useless and wrong things with this statement i needn't type anymore.
M.T. did, and on the race track the car could not hold up to the rest because of the tires!! The side walls were almost gone!
tireson the 3 after 3 laps looked new! So enjoy tour turns, just keep it slow.
first of all, what car are you talking about? the si or the civic? i strongly doubt that the sidewalls were 'almost gone'. which mt comparo compares the 3 to a civic in which this happened or compares the 3 to an si when this happened?
if there were any truth to this statement it makes the tires look bad, not the car.
i don't really take motortrend that serious anymore, and they have never really had bad things to say about the civics, especially not after giving it the car of the year award.
What you can not accept my opinion ? I hate how it looks, and told you why!
The sidewalls of the tire wearing out has very little to do with the tire itself, it has to do with engineering of the suspension, and the engineer that chose that exact tire for their superior handling Honda. :P
Who said its a bad car? It just does not compare to the 3!
the civic in both si and regular versions is a fine hanlding vehicle. (the regular performing almost at the same level as the 3, the si throughly exceeding it.)
i know you dislike how it looks, but i have yet to see a saturn that looks like it.
and then to top it off some of the statements you made were just poor english.
nice enough for ya?
Very much so, why would I engage in an argument with someone who does not know how to spell(thoroughly, handling) and refers to himself as (i)!That's not like missing a comma or an apostrophe when you're typing fast!No wonder I don't like your choice, and yes you cannot see a Saturn that looks like it, because they are not running anymore :P