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Lincoln MKS

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  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    NV,

    thanks for the report pal. :)

    Loren, is still confused about Lincoln, not being able to surpass Cadillac, with its new quality offerings. Maybe one day he will test drive one and fall in love like this once devout GM/Caddy fan. :P

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Loren, you lost your mind pal thinking Lincoln, can't challenge Cadillac. Just wait until the new Sexy girl arrives called MKS :shades: She will not only whip the STS in Gadgetology, but will do it alot cheaper. :P

    Rocky
  • scootertrashscootertrash Member Posts: 698
    Yes, the new quality offerings - The nearly identical Mark LT/F150 pair, The mechanically identical Town Car/Crown Vic Pair on a 30-year old chassis, The identical Edge/MK? pair or the Mexican built Mazda Zephyr which has the Ford Edge engine?
    The only thing hinted as coming is the schizophrenic MKS which will definitely have a V-6 or maybe a V-8 or perhaps a TT V-6 when it comes out in 2007,2008,2009 or 2010.

    I'll bet Cadillac is scared.

    Note: The above post was in response to Rocky's previous post (which has been edited about 5 times) in which he said there was "no way Cadillac could ever compete with Lincolns new quailty offerings"
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    I'll bet Cadillac is scared.

    They already are scared because the MKX, is way better than the SRX, the MKZ is twice the vehicle the CTS, ever was and the MKS, will be what the STS/DTS, dreamed of being. The Navigator is a worthy competitor to the Escalade. The only missing link is the Lincoln Mark LT, which I'm confident will be a better Sierra Denali/Escalade EXT competitor :P

    Lincoln, on like Cadillac at the momment has actually Reached Higher :P

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Note: The above post was in response to Rocky's previous post (which has been edited about 5 times) in which he said there was "no way Cadillac could ever compete with Lincolns new quailty offerings"

    Speaking of editing you just did the same with this brand new line. :D

    Cadillac, hasn't or will not compete with Lincoln new line-up in the terms of price. Lincoln, like Acura has become the brand of where the consumer gets more car for the money. Cadillac, has went upmarket in price, but not in its product offering. The Lincoln MKZ, has a interior that is light years ahead of Cadillacs finest offerings. Look at Wards award for further reference scootertrash. ;)

    Rocky
  • Oh, man, Rocky, you sound like a kid yelling "mine's better than yours!" You really think these rehashed Fords are better cars than others because they sport better interior styling? Love your current "Lincolns" but realize most people who care about luxury cars want Lincoln to reach higher.

    To each his own, I guess, but may I point out again that Cadillac isn't the one with the big market share loss these past few years? And you know yourself that the 2008 CTS isn't the only new thing coming down the pike from Cadillac.

    So whatever Lincoln does for the next few years will have to be catchup. And, BTW, I hope they do, because Lincoln often did have a better way of going, even if Cadillac was practically always more popular. But I haven't seen anything yet that is going to set the world beyond Rocky on fire. I really really wish I did.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Oh, man, Rocky, you sound like a kid yelling "mine's better than yours!" You really think these rehashed Fords are better cars than others because they sport better interior styling? Love your current "Lincolns" but realize most people who care about luxury cars want Lincoln to reach higher.

    gregg, if it wasn't for the Escalade, and some how miracle selling current CTS, Cadillac would be in the same boat as Lincoln. I don't think they are significantly better cars but a great interior, gadgetology., at a great price thousands below Cadillac and Lexus, is a start. It works for Honda, just look at Acura. Now granted Ford needs to build new platforms which needs to be good enough for Lincoln, but at the same time be high volume enough to keep costs down. If it's a great platform, and if the company can save money on it I'm all for it. This also allows the company, to concentrate on interior design, gadgetology., and even touches like available AWD at a low price. If Lincoln/Ford/Volvo, can develop few platforms but make the ones they have great I see no harm in it. Again if it adds value to the consumer.

    To each his own, I guess, but may I point out again that Cadillac isn't the one with the big market share loss these past few years? And you know yourself that the 2008 CTS isn't the only new thing coming down the pike from Cadillac.

    Well how much is that new CTS going to cost us ? I love GM, but their cars are getting very pricey for what you get. Where's the ventilated seats, DVD-Audio surround sound, the quality engine, 6-speed automatic, adaptive cruise, swivel headlamps, pre-collision, etc, etc, for that $45K sticker price ????? The CTS, isn't much of a value IMHO. The 2008' could be better but we will see. ;) The MKS however looks like it will undercut the STS by several thousands and be a helluva car, for the money. If Ford, keeps to it words of adding even more Gadgets one might be parked in my garage. A 3.7 Twin Turbo engine with paddle shifters or some other manumatic with a boost gauge with 350-400 hp. would be very impressive. GM, needs to overhaul the old Northstar, and make it a modern OHC like the Japanese. Both GM, and Ford, desperately need new modern engines.

    So whatever Lincoln does for the next few years will have to be catchup.

    Catch up to who ? The MKZ, is better and several thousands cheaper than the CTS, The MKX, is better than the SRX and cheaper too, The Navigator is almost as nice as the Escalade, but does lack the engine. However it to is cheaper. Lexus, is over-priced in some segments but like Mercedes, they are more of a status symbol.

    And, BTW, I hope they do, because Lincoln often did have a better way of going, even if Cadillac was practically always more popular.

    I'm not exactly sure what you meant by this ? :confuse:

    But I haven't seen anything yet that is going to set the world beyond Rocky on fire. I really really wish I did.

    Is Lincoln suppose to set the world on fire like lets say a BMW M3 or M5 ? I suppose they could build one to compete but then at what cost ?

    Lincoln, has flat out "reached higher" for 2007, than any other luxury brand. I see a positive future for Lincoln and perhaps this Alan Maulkey? the new Ford CEO, will be the difference maker. :)

    We will see soon....

    Rocky
  • Ok, Rocky, let's agree to disagree. I don't mean to be disagreeable about it...I just cannot see what you are describing. Lincoln right now looks to me a mishmash of hastily conceived products (a dressed up Fusion, a barely dressed up F150, a barely changed Edge, a laughably old underpowered TC). The MKS will be the first new Lincoln in years to have its own body, interior and engine...but its not here for more than a year yet, and--even though I know you like the Acura/Lexus/BMW shape--I note that none of the auto press is particularly impressed. (And that has nothing to do with it being made by one of the quasi-big two.)

    In sum, I hope you are right and I am wrong. Have a great day.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Member Posts: 1,046
    OK, rocky my friend, your posts are beginning to get tiresome, redundant, really silly and basically incorrect.

    First, u need to preface sentences like this:
    "The MKZ, is better and several thousands cheaper than the CTS, The MKX, is better than the SRX and cheaper too ..." with "IMHO" because you are probably the only person in the world familiar with these vehicles who seems to believe this. And dump the unneeded commas will ya?

    Here's another in need of an IMO: "Lincoln, has flat out "reached higher" for 2007, than any other luxury brand..."
    And I'll add: reaching is one thing, doing is another.

    You describe how Cadillac isn't really doing well (huh?) except for the Escalade (which is KILLING the Navigator and will continue to do so - IMHO) and the 'miracle' selling CTS? C'mon rock, that's what it's all about. To SELL cars. They sell if people like them. The CTS is at least the equal of the LS. And Caddy didn't fold on the enthusiast market like Lincoln did when they dropped the manual option from the LS. No, instead, Caddy went further and brought out the performance-oriented CTS-V that we were BEGGING Lincoln to do with the LS. Instead, Lincoln apparently decided to go back to pursuing the blue-hair market it knows so well, which may explain their use of the STOOPID 'D-L' shift gate on all their new cars that you love so much and are filled with such 'gadgetology'.
    And that's another point, you imply that Lincoln has all this stuff that Caddy doesn't, yet many of the gadgets you list are features on Lexus, not Lincoln. Have u confused the two brands?
    And you say "Now granted Ford needs to build new platforms which needs to be good enough for Lincoln, but at the same time be high volume enough to keep costs down" So which is it - everything is A#1 right now, better than everyone else? -OR- they desperately need new platforms. C'mon man, read your own posts.
    You continue "If Lincoln/Ford/Volvo, can develop few platforms but make the ones they have great I see no harm in it. Again if it adds value to the consumer" THis is nothing but a DUH moment. Of course IF they make GREAT platforms they can make GREAT cars. But unfortunately, ...
    BTW, rock, did you know that Volvo IS coming out with a new much-improved platform for the S80??? And did you also know that your sexy mks will NOT get it? YES, that's right, Volvo gets the new one, Lincoln gets the hand-me-down. ANOTHER reason for me to ask: why wait for the MKS when the same S80 is available NOW and a better S80 will be available when the mks comes out? In addition, just the fact that Lincoln gets Volvos old shoes oughtta tell ya where Lincoln sits in Fords eyes vis-a-vis luxury brands. So don't look for the S to "out-luxury" the Volvo.
    You also claim to know the sticker price of the MKS will be below the CTS. I don't KNOW the price of the MKS but I can practically GUARANTEE it will be higher than the CTS becasue it will be a larger car in a different market.
    ANd it's almost sad to see you hoping for paddle shifters and a boost guage etc. Rocky kindly go to the nearest Lincoln dealer and look in the Z. Do u see paddle shifters? Do you even see a choice of more than 2 forward gears? Now look in the Town Car. Paddle shifters? Now look in the ... oh, that's it for Lincoln cars isn't it. You could look in the MKX and find the same lack of anything resembling driver control gadgets but they can't even ship the GD thing.
    So please, man, I'm beggin ya to post actual data, not made upo stuff from your pipe dreams. Then we can have an intelligent conversation.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    I'm tired of arguing it is getting old and tiresome. we agree here. I never said the MKS, would be priced below the CTS. I said it would be priced below the STS. The old Volvo platform was a good one and will do the MKS, well IMHO. I agree the CTS, outsold the LS, but who wouldn't want a CTS, over a LS. The LS, was a underpowered pile of doo doo. The paddle shifter reference would be something I'd like to see in the MKS (a suggestion, not MY facts) The Lincoln MKS, being built on the old S80 platform will allow it to be priced in the $50K range not the mid $60K range like I priced up my last 2007' Volvo S80. I like the 07' S80, alot but they went really upmarket and out of my affordability.

    Rocky

    P.S.

    Sorry I'm not a English grammer major like yourself. Blame my teachers. ;)
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Okay fair enough. We are kicking a dead horse. We can argue it out when the car arrives. AGREE ?

    Thanx,

    Rocky
  • scootertrashscootertrash Member Posts: 698
    You have to love the mentality of someone who can't spell the word grammar but says it's their teacher's fault.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Member Posts: 1,046
    "I'm tired of arguing it is getting old and tiresome"

    I agree. I gotta go wash my hair...

    PS: Before I go, a big mea culpa (apology) I reread your post and indeed you did compare price of mks to sts not cts. I'm tired of all these letters:>)
  • scootertrashscootertrash Member Posts: 698
    "Okay fair enough. We are kicking a dead horse. We can argue it out when the car arrives. AGREE ? "

    Does that mean you promise not to hijack any more topics with your uninformed rantings for the next few years?
  • heyjewelheyjewel Member Posts: 1,046
    ROTFLMAO :>)

    OK, back to the hair ...
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    scootertrash,

    First, I'd put my knowledge of the auto-industry and brain up against yours any day. Secondly, You might be able to spell better and punctuate better than me but that's about it IMHO. Thirdly, calling me "uninformed" is like the pot calling the kettle black. ;)

    I don't understand why you can't disagree with me without personal attacks ? Seriously what have I ever done to you ? I have my opinions and you have yours. I don't fall off my rocker every time I disagree with you. I try my best to get along with everyone on edmunds. I enjoy talking about cars with most of the folks on here and that includes people I often disagree with. Loren, iluv, I disagree with often but I still enjoy and respect their point of view no matter how crazy it can sometimes get.

    Have a good day scootertrash

    Rocky

    P.S.

    Now back to the MKS ;)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    The LS, was a underpowered pile of doo doo.

    what??
    There is NO WAY I can agree with that. 0-60 in the low 6s on stock tires on a luxo-sedan is NOT underpowered. And if it has better aftermarket tires, I could see 6 flat being no problem.

    I went to the LSv8 from a 350Z, so if I wasn't disappointed, I don't see how anyone could be.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • I wonder...if the LS was underpowered, what does that make the pretend "Lincoln" (MKZ)?

    The MKS looks as though it will have sufficient power right out of the box. Hope so. It's not going to sell on looks alone...except to a couple of folks that seem smitten with its fat, derivative shape. ;)
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    I think it will sell quite well to the Acura/Lexus/Infiniti crowd which should open up a new customer base for Lincoln.

    That's why I think it can co-exist with a new RWD V8 based flagship to go against the Europeans and GM/DCX.
  • Sure it can, and your plan is a good one. Even Cadillac has the DTS (although that will eventually go RWD too.) I just hope Lincoln has the same plan as you do. The MKS will sell, but by itself can neither save Lincoln nor be a true "flagship." They need that RWD sedan too. As long as that RWD is only a definite maybe, Lincoln will be at a disadvantage.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    I think they want a RWD sedan platform, but they got caught with their pants down and don't have one they can use right now. I've heard rumblings of a new platform to be shared with the Aussies which makes a lot of sense. If it's done right there could be a smaller version for the Mustang and a larger version that could support new Lincoln performance flagship and a TC/CV/GM replacement.

    I honestly think this is the direction they're going but I also think they've just started so we won't see anything for 4 years.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Member Posts: 1,046
    MEGA-DITTOS
  • heyjewelheyjewel Member Posts: 1,046
    Ah, an Australian platform. Are there any engineers left in this country?
  • And that's too bad. Part of Ford's problem is that is still takes them over three years to bring anything at all to market. They pretended to do an accelerated development with the GT, but it still took over three years before ordinary customers could take delivery. It can be and is being done faster by others. They have to work on that first.

    Another problem is that Ford Europe and Ford Australia operate so independently of Ford USA that more immediate platform sharing is a problem. Honestly, it really galls me how much these folks were being paid to make such bad decisions. I only hope the Ford family is reassessing their clumsy meddling (now that the stock has tanked and seems poised to remain low) in matters that should have been up to designers, engineers and brand managers who truly know the car business as it exists today.

    Supplier relationships are another problem. And the MKS itself should have been pulled forward, as GM and Chrysler have found ways to do with some models. It is such old news and still nearly a year and a half from showrooms.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Fields and Mullaly have already said that NA not sharing platforms with Europe and Australia was a huge mistake. They'll be bringing the Euro focus platform to the US as well as a B car (probably from Mazda).

    I think the engineering for a new RWD platform would be done here and shared with the Aussies, not the other way around. But who knows?
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Scooter is a bit grumpy, but it's not personal.

    You might be able to spell better and punctuate better than me

    Ahem, BTW, it's "Better than I"....... :blush:
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    They'll be bringing the Euro focus platform to the US as well as a B car (probably from Mazda).

    Alan, a B car is smaller than the current Focus, or the same? :confuse:
  • scootertrashscootertrash Member Posts: 698
    a "B" car is smaller than what our subcompacts have grown into.
    A Honda Fit is the best example.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    As much as I hate to agree with Scooter - he's right. Smaller than the Focus. This will allow the Focus to move a little upmarket and not be the cheap Ford anymore (which it will have to do if it's using the European platfom).
  • savethelandsavetheland Member Posts: 671
    Didn't get. Mazda does not have anything below Mazda3 and Mazda3 does not feel low price. Actually it is not cheap in its class.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Thank you, scooter. Funny how Domestic cars always "grow" each time they are revised, until they're too big, then they are replaced by a smaller one....
  • The same tends to happen with foreign cars. The Civic is now the size the Accord used to be, so now there is room here for the Fit. The Sentra is much bigger now, so the Versa appears. Next year's Mercedes C Class will actually have more room than the current E Class, and it will no longer be a "C class" car. The Camry is bigger than it used to be years ago.

    Ford has had B class cars here before: the Fiesta, the Festiva and the forgettable Aspire come to mind. There is an A class too, but those are marketed in Europe and Asia, not here.

    And then there is the Smart car, which is even smaller than A class...but that is coming here in 2008 (and the second generation Smart has grown over 7" in length).
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    And then there is the Smart car, which is even smaller than A class...but that is coming here in 2008 (and the second generation Smart has grown over 7" in length).

    Hey! I saw one here on the road in Vegas~! My wife said, "What the hell is that?" Fortunately, I knew. But didn't think they'd be marketing it here.....
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    I meant that the dealers are forced to sell the Focus to people wanting an inexpensive car because it's the least expensive thing on the lot. So they order a lot of stripped models and do a lot of cost cutting. If they had a lower priced B car (I don't think it should be "cheap" - it should compete with the Fit, Versa, etc.) then they could stop selling the Focus as a stripped model/lost leader and compete on features.
  • savethelandsavetheland Member Posts: 671
    But why Mazda does not do the same thing?

    I understand what you are saying. America is not a Europe. But why then Focus is not doing so well?
  • scootertrashscootertrash Member Posts: 698
    "But why then Focus is not doing so well? "

    Because it's basically unchanged since it's introduction 7 years ago and is the most oudtdated car available in it's class.
    Sound Familiar?
  • savethelandsavetheland Member Posts: 671
    <<Sound Familiar?>>

    Yes, I own Sable, and Focus too. But still Focus is an impressive car, if they could make higher quality interior it would be a bestseller, just because it is a Ford. I do not understand decisions made by Ford management. 20 years ago they knew the rules of game, I cannot get how Ford can get lost when they knew what to do 20 years ago and it was a huge success. Like &#150; oh we won &#150; now let&#146;s do the exactly opposite and screw it because otherwise we will be like Toyota &#150; too consistent.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    I cannot get how Ford can get lost when they knew what to do 20 years ago and it was a huge success.

    Because the people running Ford back then are gone. Blame Trotman and Nasser for where Ford is today.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    Because the people running Ford back then are gone. Blame Trotman and Nasser for where Ford is today.

    Yes, and Bill Jr., who hasn't done a consistent or well thought out thing since he took over either. He's all over the place, we're gonna be green, but we're gonna be bold, but we're gonna be conservative too....

    Where have all the Peterson's and Caldwells gone??
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    At least Bill had the guts to step aside and bring in Fields and Mulally. I think the focus on emissions and ULEV/PZEV status hurt fuel economy and didn't help because nobody seems to care that some Explorers have fewer emissions than some hybrids. I hope they're over it.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    nobody seems to care that some Explorers have fewer emissions than some hybrids.

    You know, the other thing that burns my butt, akirby, is that Suburbans, both Chevy and GMC had been around, polluting the earth and killing wildlife, not to mention your kids, since, oh, 68 or so? But it was no big deal until Ford brought its Expedition - and suddenly, Ford was evil for pillaging villages and bringing out an Urban Assault Vehicle! GM always got a pass for their Tahoe and Suburbans, which by the way, came in both half and 3/4 ton versions, the latter which is equivalent to the Excursion, which again, started a firestorm of hatred toward Ford. Nothing though, about all those old 3/4 ton Suburbans out there which polluted far more than the new Excursion did.

    The Hummer H2 is actually wider than any of them, and gets worse gas mileage as well - yet, GM is of no consequence, but Ford is single handedly responsible for the extinction of the Unicorn....

    What goes?
  • savethelandsavetheland Member Posts: 671
    I did not know that Unicorn even existed LOL. But seriously - enviromentalists are mentally challenged people so do expect anything logical from them. It is kind of religion that defies any logic.

    But I do not undestand from thread title how someone was able to sit in the car that does not yet exist (I mean MKS).
  • ehaaseehaase Member Posts: 328
    Suburbans, both Chevy and GMC had been around, polluting the earth and killing wildlife, not to mention your kids, since, oh, 68 or so?

    My Chevrolet history book shows the Suburban was introduced in 1935.
  • nvbankernvbanker Member Posts: 7,239
    My Chevrolet history book shows the Suburban was introduced in 1935.

    Thanks for noticing, but we all know it was nothing like the machine of today, and they didn't get popular with the populace until the late 60's....
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Lincoln MKS forums on the net ? I can't believe some of the crap some people have came up with like a Supercharged 3.5 V-6. :surprise:

    Rocky
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    Are you crazy?! Dude! YOure like a parnent protecting your child from other kids on the playground "Oh my Jimmy can do that too!" This MKS is nothing compared to the STS! The STS has bold good looking style. No one will want the M! It looks 5 years old- and it's not even out yet. And there's no way it will perform like the Caddy. That cheap wannabe Lexus crap is NOT SEXY. You think the MKZ is better than the CTS? The MKZ is nothing compared to the Caddy! It looks not nearly as good, and probably doesn't perform as well- as the new 3.5 is about as tuned as it will be in the Fusion, whereas CTS is actually sport tuned. THe MKZ should be a MErcury- not a lincoln! You wanna go here then lets go! Lincoln Vs Caddy. I once loved lincoln more than Caddy. i liked NAvigator more than Escalade. But then Caddy woke up and started competing- the entire brand! Now Slade looks great and NAvi looks like CRAP! DOes Lincoln have anything to compete with the XLR? didn't think so! Caddilac is not scare of Lincoln. Their laughing. And just when Lincoln was about to re-estblish a name for itself...
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    The MKZ, looks alot better than the current CTS. The MKS, looks alot better than the currents STS. If the MKS, can under cut the STS, by $10G's and offer more gadgets than the STS, the STS is in big trouble. If GM, wouldn't of over-priced the STS by $7 or 8K I'd probably be driving another Caddy by now. $66K for a AWD V8 STS is crazy. $63K for RWD V8 is also nuts. The STS, use to be a car that could be boughten by middle class americans making $50-60k a yr. if they didn't have alot of other toys. I'm not doubting the next CTS, to be better than the MKZ, but by how much and what price tag ? I know I sound like I'm bashing cadillac, but GM, actually is my favorite car company in the world and Cadillac is my favorite brand. I think GM, priced their cars way to high on the Cadillac side. They will have to offer incentives if they plan on moving those STS's. With all the cost cutting done at the factory's and out-sourcing of parts (Won't go into details) one would assume they would still be able to keep a Cadillac STS with V8 power and AWD well under $60K. Many products GM, has overhualed have came out light years better and the sticker prices dropped on em'. Perhaps the next STS, will be even better and the MSRP's will drop $5 or $6K. I could see a fully loaded AWD Cadillac STS V8 being $59K the RWD V8 $57K but $66K AWD and $63K RWD now is a bit much. My 2002' Cadillac Seville STS had everything but Navigation and was $54K MSRP.

    Just my gripe is all. I still might buy one someday. I will probably get a CTS-V instead of a STS.

    Rocky
  • albookalbook Member Posts: 1,282
    CTS looks waayyy better than MKZ. i like it though because lincoln hasn't done anything in a long while. It looks good, but I wouln't think it competes with BmW 3. Same with MKS, not a BMW 5 competitor. that's why it's priced so low and Caddy isn't. But we know no one is paying more than 55 grand for a loaded STS. And the MKS looks a little outdated. But like i said before, Lincoln hasn't done anything for a while (though Im not sure I like this better than LS) Lincoln might make a comeback in 5 years. We'll see.
  • Exactly my point, for some time now. There's nothing wrong with the MKS styling per se. But it is dated...and it is not even out yet. If you look at what was presented at the Paris show and what is coming up at the auto shows in the next couple months, it is obvious that by the time the MKS arrives (2008 at the earliest), it will be old news with unremarkable lines. Not much Lincoln can do about that now...and all is not lost. At least some people will like its conservative style.
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,014
    Yup, like myself ;)

    Rocky
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