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Toyota FJ Cruiser vs Jeep Wrangler

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  • steenhsteenh Posts: 103
    4x4... you do make me laugh sometimes.

    Since it's essentially a jeep, I'm guessing the I6 has long since bitten the dust, the frame is probably cracked, the electronics are shot, the axles broke hitting a curb etc...

    It is a beaut though... very nice stylin!!!
  • Hey it's a 1975 or so: I don't think Toyota has any cars from the early 70's that are still on the road; the puddle jumper crap they made back then burned oil after about 30K miles and was completely rusted out after 5 years!

    Actually it's not a Jeep at all. apparently the guy who made this thing from a pacer didn't put the car on a sub frame at all. It's the Pacer's unit body with a solid front axle swapped in the front and a lifted rear axle. Before the solid axle was swapped in it even had more in common with an FJC: it had independent front suspension! LOL! It has an AMC 360 V8 (so it would kill any FJ light to light) mated to a 4 speed.

    But it sure does bare some resemblance to an FJC LOL! Ha ha ha that really slays me! A 1975 AMC FJC!!! LOL!
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Ok, how about an Electric Version of Replica FJ40?

    Might be nice to go wheeling with some torquey electric motors driving each wheel.

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  • Hmmmm,

    The torque part sounds good. Electric motors have a completely flat torque profile.

    Now we just have to work out some bio-electrical engineering problems so the trees in the forest grow power outlets.
  • steenhsteenh Posts: 103
    Now your talking...

    I think the first thing they'd have to work out is the $88k price tag though I'm not seen too many gas nozzles on those trees either. If they get to solar powered we are in business.
  • At least if I run out of gas on the trail I can walk back with a gerry can. I don't know if Wal-Mart sells 10 mile extension cords to charge your electric car and I'd probably be retired before a solar panel charged it.

    By the way, I'd pay $88K for one of those hand crafted FJs before I'd buy an FJC for $30K
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    The torque part sounds good. Electric motors have a completely flat torque profile.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "flat torque profile" but the torque certainly changes if you vary the current flowing through the coils. Perhaps you mean torque per watt delivered? (τ/I2)

    tidester, host
  • mac24mac24 Posts: 3,910
    Perhaps you mean torque per watt delivered?

    Or that an electric motor exerts maximum torque at zero rpm?
  • Yes actually an electric motor would exert peak torque at a stall or zero RPM, simply because the electromotive force stays constant for a given current passing through the motor's windings.

    There's no doubt about it, some pretty cool things could be done with an electric motor at each wheel. Perhaps some form of hybrid with a diesel motor. A large alternator generator tied in to the diesel. Extremely precise torque delivery to any given wheel or equally to all wheels. Reverse rotation of some wheels with respect to others to make the vehicle spin on a dime like the Jeep Hurricane can do. The reverse for the braking on given wheels and precise control of all aspects of braking would be simple to manage. Even regenerative braking - however the storage of the energy is always an issue - I'm not a fan of power storage in battery packs.
  • Actually, GM is considering exactly that for future vehicles. Electric motors driving the wheels - exclusively - with a gas or diesel motor powering a generator to run the motors (or maybe even a hydrogen fuel cell providing the electricity). They're talking 640 miles from 12 a gallon tank... pretty impressive fuel economy.

    Chevrolet Volt Concept

    And no, it's not a new idea by any means. That's how diesel locomotives operate, the diesel powers a generator, and the wheels are driven by massive electric motors.
  • Yeah this idea has actually been around since the 1940s when diesel locomotives came out as you mentioned. However it's an excellent idea and it works very well because the diesel engine can be run at it's ideal RPM for peak efficiency no matter what.

    You know most of the so called 'advanced automotive' ideas are not new. I remember when everyone thought that overhead cams were so 'revolutionary' in the early 80's LOL! Little did most people know this idea dates back to the 1930's and Jeep actually had a production overhead cam motor in the early 60's. What's old is new ;)
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    most of the so called 'advanced automotive' ideas are not new

    The "hemi" type engine dates back to 1905. Of course, the first fax machine beat that by 50 years. :D
  • Yeah and I believe Chrysler's first HEMI was actually an aircraft engine that was intended for a WW II fighter plane. Interesting stuff ;)
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,223
    Digging out some pictures and came across this one from one of the Tierra del Sol runs in the 1960s. The CJs went through this and I thought I could also. Too much over hang in front. I got out no damage. Would a new FJ fare so well? FJs were very rare. Out of 300 some vehicles I think there was one other Toyota LC.

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  • fourx4everfourx4ever Posts: 169
    Wow, I would have thought the old FJ-40 would have had the same approach angle as a CJ. Interesting. The new FJC certainly would not fair as well as your old FJ-40.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,223
    I think the public has made it clear with their wallets which is the off-road vehicle to own. The Wrangler is selling more than twice the FJ sales. YTD the FJ sits at 29k the Wrangler at 65k sold. The Wrangler is selling about 11k per month and the FJ is around 4500 per month. It is the blind spots and those horrible doors. The only reason the FJ sells at all is the odd ball look. If Jeep starts selling the Wrangler diesel over here I will buy one for my fun vehicle.
  • fourx4everfourx4ever Posts: 169
    Yeah I hear ya. I guess that pretty much sums it up. Upon the mountains of other evidence about the Wrangler vs. the FJC and how the Jeep is so much more capable. I'm with you on the diesel thing. Although I'm very impressed with the new Wrangler I can't bring myself to buy it with that V6. I have the 2005 Rubicon now and it has the 4.0L - the V6 would be a step down. However put a diesel in and I'll be there waiting to sign.

    By the way, wanna see a really cool Jeep video? I found this on Youtube. Talk about punishing!

  • I have my 2000 TJ for rock crawling and going any damn place I point it. And I have my FJ cruiser for when I want to pack more than a lunch box to take with me. My Tj will go thru almost any canyon rock garden and suffer very little. the FJ and the like with the exposed sheet metal will cry with every scrape. My advice...Buy an FJ to tow your jeep out to the playground.
  • fourx4everfourx4ever Posts: 169
    knollibe,

    What would you say to the people who buy the 4-door 2007 Wrangler, with more space and off-road capability than the FJ, to tow their killer (not even street legal) off-road TJ to the 'play ground'?
  • My buddy has a 06 Rubicon, and even he admits after a few rides together that his Jeep can't hang with my FJ. The Jeep is seems only better in small tight spots off road. Plus on road its not even a contest in any area. His wife and kids want to ride in my truck, not theirs?
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