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To do that, Ford may very well have to shrink Lincoln to a single vehicle, especially for as long as it needs to continue pressuring the remaining freestanding LM dealers to consolidate. Once it's free from the burden of having to support an entire store on its back, Ford can then make the necessary investment - and take the kinds of chances necessary, by scaling-back the brand to a single model (or two) that isn't weighed down by other lesser badge-engineered showroom companions.
THEN Ford can begin rebuilding Lincoln - with ANY vehicle it chooses. And a RWD "driver's car" would be an ideal place to start - particularly because the Ford brand doesn't offer one (apart from Mustang) it could be compared to - or mistaken for.
Mulally already greenlighted new RWD products for Lincoln but they had to be put on hold when the economy tanked. Now that Ford is making money and they only have Lincoln to focus on I think it's a safe bet we'll see at least one new RWD platform - the only question is how quickly it can be delivered.
You may be right that that a RWD "drivers car" would be an ideal place to start. I have always thought they should start with a true RWD flagship - more along the lines of a Lexus LS series.
Ford is doing a good job with technology and powertrains now. Their interiors are getting better, too. They are talking about active noise cancellation and adjustable suspensions. I, personally, would like to see Lincoln go after the elegant, quiet, comfortable luxury market and let Ford do the sports sedan.
Another area of opportunity seems to be the entry-level luxury like the ES350 or CTS. The current MKZ is just too Fusion-like to get any traction there. The mid-level cars like MKS, STS, Acura RL, or Lexus GS are not selling very well. The 5 series BMW and Mercedes E class are popular but it would take an act of God to get an owner of one of those to consider a Lincoln.
Besides, even if it could, no maker would bet the entire ranch on a simultaneous design statement that simply may backfire en masse once it hits showrooms.
As for Mulally's commitment, Ford needs a Mustang and Falcon RWD successor platform, but forget any "promises" made years ago when everything was based on phony economics. ONLY if a Lincoln (or any other) RWD product is likely to earn greater profits than anything else Ford could gain from investing the same money elsewhere would it be possible, let alone likely.
The only real dud right now is the Town Car and it's not even available retail any more. The rest are ok for now and can be improved upon.
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That may be your most profound statement...seriously...the Town Car market is, probably, literally dying off as time progresses, and those of us who are moving into our 60s simply do not see the Town Car as the car of our dreams...if Lincoln is to survive, they must do something other than what has "worked" for the last 40 years, implying that anyone who worked at Lincoln in the last 20 years should not be working there anymore...they do not have sufficient vision to change the vehicles to what the "new" market wants from a Lincoln...
Instead of a boat they could make something like the Lexus LS in terms of size and performance, something that can take corners with some good sway bars and yet ride smoothly...it really can't be that hard to come up with something that has few compromises...
There is an unfortunate element that sell Lincolns who want Ford to drop the prices on Lincolns. These so called dealers are not concerned about the reputation of the mark but are only concerned with sales. They don't care how the car is engineered. I hope Ford does not listen to them. If they are concerned about volume sale, they should sell Kias
Lincoln's image and sales back in the late '90s were stronger than today. The Lincoln LS got very positive reviews from the press early on. MT car of the year....C/D called it the best driving American sedan...even CR had positive things to say. Did the LS have many conquest sales from Bimmer or Mercedes owners? I am not saying they didn't - I really don't know. I do know that many first year buyers loved the LS but also many had problems and said "never again." Sales dwindled pretty fast after the initial spike.
Based on the relative platform costs I still bet the MKS makes more money at 20K/yr than the LS ever did at 50K/yr.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a Falcon based MKR as a holdover until we can get a true global RWD platform.
That may not only make good sense, it may be the only real strategy to pursue...if the geezer gray hairs are dying off by the day, their "traditional buyer" is slowly (rapidly?) moving toward extinction...if things stayed the same as the 60s to the 90s, they would have had millions of Boomers fighting for boat-like Caddys or boat-like Town Cars...things changed in the 90s with Lexus, Acura (not so much), Infiniti and MB and Benz...Ford can no longer assume that folks over 60 will even walk into their showrooms...my own mother, at 81, when she dumped her 1989 Sedan de Ville in 2007, when I asked her what she wanted to replace it, I assumed she would want another Caddy...
in about 1/2 of a second, she responded...Lexus!!!...she never even thought of Caddy (or Town Car)...she bought an ES330 and loves it (altho the digital A/C seems to confuse her)...
If Mom at 81 wanted an import, think what all of the Boomers between 45-65 are thinking now, and it ain't "Town Car"...
So Lincoln (Ford, really) needs to cater to their new market, cater to it quickly, or just kill the name along with Mercury and be done with it...
Have you ever bought a new Town Car or Crown Vic or Grand Marquis? Or are you like all of the other Panther mafia members who only buy them used and then gripe about how Ford doesn't update them?
Have you ever bought a new Town Car or Crown Vic or Grand Marquis? Or are you like all of the other Panther mafia members who only buy them used and then gripe about how Ford doesn't update them?
We've purchased two CV followed by three TC's & until Lincoln finally comes out with something other than a warmed over '98 model, but with at least a 300 hp V8, AWD, with the dimensions of the traditional TC, we will continue to drive our '94.
Very few people would choose the Town Car or Grand Marquis looks over the MKS, not to mention all of the other advantages.
You can't buy model T's any more either. Get over it.
I don't understand what difference it makes, but the 2nd Crown Vic was purchased used. The other four were purchased brand new from dealers. So what? :confuse:
This three time NEW TC owner would choose the Taurus Sho over the MKS & would special order it with no other options than the Red color. I can read maps and save $12,000. Accessory bundling is not respected by thinking buyers.
I remember Ford execs being confident that even though the Chrysler 300 was getting all the attention in 2005, that the Five Hundred would win the styling war over time as being more "tastefully" rendered. Those same deluded types must have been the ones who approved the 2009 MKS design. Once again, it is a very decent car, but why did they figure they needed to make it look slightly lumpy and dumpy to capture new sales? It is a mystery that will likely never be solved.
Simple - most of the really vocal panther fans who whine and cry about the lack of updates and about them being cancelled only buy them used at huge discounts. Ford doesn't make any money off of used car sales. If you're not willing to buy new and support the mfr then you don't have a right to complain about what they make. If you bought 4 new ones then that doesn't apply to you. But buyers like you are few and far between in the world of panthers.
The upcoming MKS refresh will be the first "clean sheet" design although it's still riding on the same platform. I expect a much more dynamic and appealing exterior (although I don't have a problem with the current one) plus new powertrains (305 HP 3.7L and a 400+ HP 3.5L EB) and a host of Lincoln exclusive features like adjustable suspensions, glass roofs, etc.
It will also distance itself from the Taurus which I agree is a minor problem right now. But that's because they went all in on the Taurus and they have yet to do that on the MKS.
At last check it still outsold every other luxury sedan in it's class outside of the E-class and 5 series which almost nobody can touch, and it's doing it without huge incentives. If you think MKS sales are bad, go look at Lexus GS or Infinit M.
The outgoing Town Car is available for fleet customers and individual customer factory orders only through the end of the model year."
Meanwhile, there's going to be a spike in demand.
No Product Placement Deal for The Lincoln Lawyer, Says Lincoln (Inside Line)
Lincoln Tops J.D. Power Dependability Survey (NY Times)
"Lincoln: What a Mercury Should Be."
With the demise of the Town Car later this year, they have absolutely nothing that appeals to me. Their current lineup consists of a handful of truncated peculiarly-styled anemic six-cylinder cars and stupid rebadges of Ford cross-overs, trucks, and SUVs. I'd sooner buy a Hyundai Genesis or Equus over anything Lincoln now offers. It's a sad end to a once-proud marque that once produced glorious cars like this:
Ford only started the Lincoln rebirth last year and the new chief is putting his stamp on the future styling before it's released.
The plan is for 7 Lincoln vehicles with totally unique sheetmetal, interiors, drivetrains and features. No more rebadges. Plus an upgraded dealer experience (with fewer dealers).
There are also rumors from insiders about global RWD making an appearance. It has potential but we'll have to wait at least 2 years before we see the fruits of their labor.
In the meantime Lincoln is keeping prices high, incentives relatively low and only producing the cars they're able to sell at those prices. Many believe this is being done on purpose to force the marginal dealers out of business or forcing them to merge. With dealer franchise laws this is about the only leverage Lincoln has in that area.
Not sure what you mean about barren and decontented though - the MKS has more luxury features and way more power than any previous Lincoln.
Lincoln also has to come up with better names than the confusing alphabetic goobledy-[non-permissible content removed]. Everybody knows what a Town Car or a Continental is. Who can keep track of an MKS, MKZ, MK...whatever. I hate that Cadillac has gone this route too.
At least with Cadillac, I can keep up because I knew what the models were before the change...DTS was DeVille Touring Sedan, so I can handle the abbreviation...STS was Seville Touring Sedan and CTS was (according to what I read) Catera Touring Sedan...so those I could handle...
But the Lincoln ones make no sense to me at all...
But no one uses me for a standard anyway...:):):)
I know what he meant, and he's wrong. The MKS actually has a couple of features my Lexus LS460 doesn't have, the Sync is better, the My Lincoln Touch (stupidest name ever) is amazing, they literally have everything available in their car. Even the MKZ, the cheapest Lincoln you can get is very well equipped. So that's just bogus! I agree with the comments about the 6 cylinder engines, althought he Eco-Boost is a wonderful driving motor. Hope it holds up like the old 4.6L did. I believe the FWD platform being all that is available after the Town Car dies, is the deal breaker for many, certainly is for me. If they build a car similar to the Lexus LS, I'd be interested in Lincoln again.
Maybe Cadillac looks more different from Chevrolet than Lincoln looks from Ford???
In my particular case (yours may vary), I wanted to get away from a dark interior and go to a lighter color. Not an option with the SHO.
I don't care for firmed up "sport tuned" suspensions. No choice with the SHO.
I like wood trim and don't care for metal or fake metal. Not an option with the SHO.
When driving in traffic, I like to see the other cars in all the lanes and not just flashing lights in the mirrors. The 2010 SHO that I drove did not have the "mirror in mirror" feature like an MKS. (2011s might - not sure)
After driving the MKS, I found the forward sensors to be great when pulling into a parking space. Not an option with the SHO. Ditto the dual panel moonroof, the lined door pockets, the dual armrests, the soft-touch door panels below elbow level and the rubber sealing around the leading and rear edges of the front doors. I also much prefer the appearance of the MKS - particularly the front end and the roof line.
I prefer high quality leather and don't care for fake suede upholstery that looks like mouse fur. Not an option with the SHO.
I am not an audiophile but the difference between the THX system in the Lincoln versus the Bose system in the SHO is clear - even to my ears. Speaking of ears, the difference in road noise favors the MKS, too.
Does this mean that the MKS ecoboost is worth more than the SHO? To me, hell yes. The SHO wouldn't have even been my 2nd choice. However, if the things I mention are not as important as saving a few thousand dollars, the SHO is a better choice.
Relaunching this brand has been going on for years. How are we to say that the next re-launch will be any more successful than the last? After all, the MKS and MKT are not just re-branded Fords, but few buyers appreciate them. I suspect current styling is a big factor, but beyond that, there are just too few of them around for most people to even know what it is when they see one.
Lincoln has been big on issuing concept cars (well, not lately!) that look nothing like the production models. The MKT concept really hit nerves (both good and bad). The production model, once you get past the grill, looks like a bloated station wagon. How is this brand going to make the leap to producing models where people say "wow" as they go by? Not a one of the current lineup look like the MKR concept that was supposed to have the new Lincoln DNA. A grill does not make a car (or truck), but I am not sure that this lesson has been fully learned.
GM has come back from the dead. They still have a long way to go. But all four brands are at least growing in the right direction, and Buick's success, with so few models (this is being remedied quickly), is especially notable. A Buick looks and feels nothing like a Cadillac (with the exception of the soon-to-be buried Lucerne) and vice versa. When Ford gets that distinction down, things may change.
Meanwhile, Ford is going gangbusters. But all of Ford's success will have to be invested back into the Ford brand, or they will fall behind. Lincoln has to make its own way. Selling few cars at a real profit may not drain the bottom line right now, but I wonder. How is maintaining the whole Lincoln shebang from production to dealerships going to be sustained over time, if there is no breakout model or runaway success in reputation on the horizon? Just thoughts.
What makes me think they're serious? They killed Mercury. That was a huge step that previous regimes weren't willing to do. They're committed to reducing the bloated dealer network. They're requiring remaining dealers to make a large financial commitment to improve the dealer service network. They've hired a large team of 85 folks to oversee the transformation process. Half of them came from Audi, Lexus and other luxury mfrs. They've committed to 7 vehicles - more than Lincoln has had since I can remember. They've committed to distinct vehicles and distinctive features and unique drivetrains.
What else can anyone ask for at this point?
They don't need Lincoln to be profitable right now - Ford is taking care of that nicely. Given the vehicles they have right now they have 2 choices - reduce prices/increase incentives to get more volume or keep prices high for the few that do value what Lincoln is offering (like Bruce) yielding more profit on fewer units. If you cut prices now then that makes it harder to raise prices to where they should be when the new ones do come out.
You say Rah-Rah'ing - I say logic and sound business decisions. Ford is positioning Lincoln for 3-4 years down the road - not trying to win a 2011 sales contest.
Contrast that with GM's strategy - pumping up volume with huge incentives. And Ford STILL outsold GM last month - without the new Focus and Explorer.