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The i-vtec stickers will not be removed from my car! The SI model is very low key, in my opinion. Unless you are an enthusist, the general public just sees it as Civic.
I've always been a fan of low-cost, factory built hot-rods. The Civic was the best choice out of all the cars out today.
4 doors, naturally aspirated, low cost of ownership, high resale, good price... Plus a high-reving, high-tech engine (you gotta love an 8k redline!) And it loves to be thrown around on the back roads.
The only other vehicle we seriously considered, in this catagory, was the Focus ST/Mazda 3 (not the Mazda Speed 3). While both were decent, the Focus STs I chcked out stickered at nearly 20k, hard to find, and, in comparison to the Civic, out of date. Fun cars to toss around. But the limits were nowhere near the SIs.
a ricer is a ricer if you make it one, there is nothing 'ricey' about the si in that regards. The si looks clean enough as it is. i can think of a ton of other cars that you could have chosen that are sporty other than the si to avoid this althogether.
Plus doesn't every car manufacturer use some form of VTEC now?
no not really actually. you'd be suprised how very few cars used varible timing and dual over head cams on their engines. they do exist, but they don't have it down to an art the way honda does. they pioneered the technology!
blairspeed: glad you like your car, i bet moving up from the ep hatch is quite a feat; your si hatch is actually my favorite 'looking' si especially with the 17's that were availble with it and with the factory ground effects; but the performance was sorely lacking. I still think they should have slapped an EX on the back of it instead of an SI. it would have done soooo much better and would have been that nice 'not exactly and si but not exactly a regular civic either' that the civic line really needs.
again, great posts EVERYONE!
Rice doesn't only apply to 'asian' car either. It can apply to domestics too. It's a deragatory term for a cheesy looking car, that's trying to look much racier that it is.
I like cars that are modifed in apparence, so that they look like they could have been produced by the factory. There are many Mustangs and Camaros running around here that look just as hideous as the LX Civics that have been 'improved' by their owner.
thanks for the post, its STILL a common misconception that this is only applied to asian cars. Actually if you look it up on wikipedia, most of the pics shown are dodge neons. :P
good info nonetheless. i still think that some wings like the ones mugen makes for the civic are still very nice looking...not exactly ricey, but more boy racerish. The honda ground effects kit is very nice though, nice aggresive touch without being over bearing.
I don't mind a nice looking car that's been modified and it looks tasteful and could be mistaken for a factory piece.
I'm not of the old man mind-set. The guys that don't consider anything past '72 a 'real' car. I hate that redneck attitude. I've seen plenty of creations by supposed 'real hot-rodders' that look horrid.
On ricers, I was born/raised on Guam, a little Pacific island, and EVERYONE there loved to turn their civic or whatever into the stereotypical ricer. Those quickly became annoying, and I tend to sneer at them on the road. The '07 Si is a very nice blend of the 'normal' car that most people have, with the spice of a ricer's attitude... The engine can race, but it's not been tricked out to do so. The exhaust puts out a good low note, but it's not obnoxious, nor designed to draw attention. Essentially, the Si could be called a ricer by someone who doesn't know anything about it, but the Si is much more subtle than a ricer that some teenager has spent all his lunch money on. That subtlety is actually one thing that drew me to the Si.
i'm just wondering if VTEC is such a important part of Honda's heritage (and it is - i've owned 8 Honda's now in my lifetime) why is it a STICKER on the side of the car that can be peeled off easily?
i think if they made it a tasteful metal emblem - i'd have no problem with it. but a sticker?!
anyways. i still love my Si Sedan. there is nothing better than revving it up to 6000rpms and hearing that engine.
metal would look horrible. and its 'decal' not 'sticker'.
i wish i could combine the handling of an si with the torque of a gti; that would be perfect.
i dunno if its 'more' potential...there are some pretty modded s2k's out there with incredible hp numbers. I think you just see more k series that are modded; they can be swapped into a lot of different chassis for 'relatively' cheap, whereas the f series in the s2k is set up for rwd.
having said that, there is a little known f series engine called the f20 (the engine in the s2k is actually the f22.) that was used in the european accords in an 'Si-R' trim:
it was a 2.0 that came in a manual and auto version, with 200 hp/ 140 bls of torque and 180hp and 132lbs of torque respecitively. These engines are great in older accords, as they fit the chassis perfectly and are relatively inexpensive.
k series are great though. its very popular to do a 'frankenstein' swap, they use the block of a tsx (k24) for the torque and a k20 head for the high revving hp. Great combo. A buttload of money. They are very sturdy for turbocharging as well.
i dunno if its 'more' potential...there are some pretty modded s2k's out there with incredible hp numbers. I think you just see more k series that are modded; they can be swapped into a lot of different chassis for 'relatively' cheap, whereas the f series in the s2k is set up for rwd.
having said that, there is a little known f series engine called the f20 (the engine in the s2k is actually the f22.) that was used in the european accords in an 'Si-R' trim:
it was a 2.0 that came in a manual and auto version, with 200 hp/ 140 bls of torque and 180hp and 132lbs of torque respecitively. These engines are great in older accords, as they fit the chassis perfectly and are relatively inexpensive.
k series are great though. its very popular to do a 'frankenstein' swap, they use the block of a tsx (k24) for the torque and a k20 head for the high revving hp. Great combo. A buttload of money. They are very sturdy for turbocharging as well.
yes, i've noticed the 'rev hang,' but thought little of it...so far...
the dual dash is not a bother to me, i listen to the engine to shift, and once the break-in is over, will jjust let it all hang out anyway
i'm 53 and loving every minute of it, my other car is a '90 miata with 82K on it...
getting used to 2 clutches has been a re-learning experience though...
my saleman told me about premium fuel and also said i could tank it up with reg unleaded, but probably won't do so, at least thru the break-in period, if that means anything...
i've seen only a couple other Si sedans around here, and people do notice the car, which is fine by me, and i'm used to it from having a miata...
this looks like a great forum with great people posting, i'll bookmark this place!
i'm having trouble staying out of the car, or just going into the garage to look at it...the only mod i've done to it so far is add an XM radio to it to keep my account that i had with the accord...
this car is going to be fun! :shades:
I've noticed the rev hang too, but that doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't seem to hurt driveability. The thing that's weird to get used to is a gas pedal that's hinged to the floor, instead of hanging. I know weird issue, but I typically drive with the toe of my shoe near the bottom of the pedal, not the whole foot.
It is easy to heal-toe though.
as i said above, my saleman said it was OK to use reg unlead, but i'm sure peak performance is hindered...
the miata's exhaust tone tends to broaden that throaty tone over the miles, and i was wondering if the Si's tone will change over time...it's a sweet, hefty purr so far...
Occasionaly, after the car is warmed-up, I'll get a hesitation on light acceleration in 1st gear. But, I've experienced the same thing in other stick shift cars. It could be becuase of the drive-by-wire system, the PCM's programing and small, low torque 4 cylinder.
my '05 accord coupe got in the low 40s last fall on a trip to st louis and back (to east central ohio).
Motortrends numbers are always quicker than everybody else's tho.
I'm envious of how quick those things are. Low 14 sec quarters, that's a bit too much of a speed demon to hand the keys over to the wife. Plus, I'm just a fan of naturally aspirated vehicles.
Some people have told me to go middle grade and the sensor will adjust the fuel.
Also, how are the cup holders and do you get a lumbar support.
I'm torn between the Mini S and Mazda 2.3 (reg Gas)Well,the Mini takes 91 ,but the milage is unreal.Both cars offer heated seats.Mazda milage not great.
Some have posted paint quality is sub par Honda ,but it always has been.
My low end torque is maginal,but once in third gear I can go light speed.
So what to buy?Civic SI,Mazda 2.3, or Mini CooperS :confuse:
You could go down in octane, and shouldn't have problems. But, you'll lose performance and MPG. Saving $2-3 at the pump could cost you a couple mpg.
Cup holders are excellent! Very deep, hold any size drink, and seem very sturdy. And lumbar support is excellent. You will not move in hard conering. Makes egress a little difficult, but nothing a normal sized person would worry about.
When you ask about the Mazda 3, are you referring to the Mazdaspeed 3? Both the 3's get great reviews. The Mazdaspeed 3 seems hard to get ahold of right now though. The 3 is a nice car, comprable to a LX or EX civic. They say they are sporty and reliable packages. But not a 'sport' model.
The Mini's are always reviewed well and have great gas milage and good reliability. A few acquiantances own them and they like them, but just about everyone I talked to have had to replace their run flats. Run flats can't be fixed. You get a flat, plan on buying 2 new tires.
Personally, I'd never buy a vehicle with run flats. I'd rather have a AAA membership and a can of fix-a-flat.
You just need to test drive the vehicles. I love my SI and all the members in this forum love theirs, so we will all recomend the SI over anything in the price range.
I'm actually in the Philly area, you from this area or VA? How long of a drive is it? We were actually thinking of going to VA beach this summer.
Overall, we're pleased with the real mpg so far with the SI. Waiting to see results from a long trip using the cruise control. Expect to best previous numbers.
Once again, avoid 95 at all costs unless traveling in the wee hours (excluding the northen region to get to route 1).
the coper and si are decidedly more fun, and i am seeing really really good mpg numbers from my si, cooper good as well, so paying the extra 2-3 bucks per fillup is not that big of a deal to me for the premium for more with the cooper or si, especially when i see better mpg to boot.
you must not EVER floor it. its safe to say you are the only person on the face of this earth who will ever see mpg numbers like that on his/her si.
But even on the tanks that i fun drive, i still see upwards of 24-26 mpg in the city. that over 36 mpg tank waa the best i had yet, coming back from philly i had just over 35 mpg. i am moving to Portland, OR this fall and i am looking forward to what kind of results i will see with the cruise on for a few hundred miles.
I really have to say with the mileage i see combined with just how much i enjoy driving this car and operating the gearbox, i wonder how i could have even considered the EX.
on a follow up note, the suspension knocking or bushing pop that i previously experienced has greatly diminished.
You just really need to accelerate conservatively in the other 98% of driving that you do.
I usually dont hit v-tec unless im getting on the freeway or find myself on a long open road.
if you had an older si like pre 2002, this statement would work, because the old vtec didnt engage until certain rpms. the newer i vtec is available throught the rev range, but it switches to so called 'hot cams' once you near the peak hp/torque rpm levels. so you are hitting something, your just not 'engaging' vtec, since its already been engaged from the moment you put your foot to the pedal.
One road in particular, that's been my favorite for the past 20 years. You can't help yourself from driving like a nut on it.
Most of my driving is in traffic and congested freeways, so that helps me keep it sane and level. Today I actually just kicked the cruise on and left it at 60. The cops have been unreal the last 2 weeks.
July 3rd, I saw about 15 cops on my 35 mile trip to work. About 5 people pulled over. All week I've see at least 3 cars pulled over ever trip to and from work. So, it's not a good time for hi-jinxs.
She's owned it since new and has numerous problems, un-resolved leaks, sensors going bad, lots of flats, anti-lock's no longer work.
Could just be becuase it's a first year model. But, doesn't sound good.