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worst tank, all city driving on regular fuel: 18.5 MPG
best tank, all highway on regular fuel: 32 MPG
I'm in Queens, by the way.
It's been a bit of a disappointment, I really hope it picks up after the supposed "break-in" and when the weather gets warmer...
What color is your FIT?
Congrats on the new car and enjoy!
How did you do on the first tank?
Probably not very well. A lot of that gas was used as the car idled and went through it's Pre-Delivery Inspection. Then short trips on the parking lot etc.
And, for whatever reason, Hondas don't get their best mileage until they have several thousand miles on them. I have noticed this with my own Hondas.
Frankly, this is what I expected since most of my driving was in the city.
Pearl Blue
$15,625 + tag and tag
$16,700 out the door.
Lake Worth FL
I got 3 quotes over the net so far. All are without tax and tags.
$16,300
$16,585
$16,705 (plus free maintenance for 36,000 miles, but its 50 miles away)
Also, what are most of you paying annually for insuring you fit?
What would you do? What else should I look out for?
Many thanks,
Aaron
BTW, was there any trade-in involved in your deal?
Located in Bay area, CA (Sunnyvale)
Any thoughts, given that new 2009 model and Presidents day is coming on...
help please!!
this is the best I got:
"Selling price is $16588+$1414.66(Tax rate)+$171(Lic.fee)+$55(Doc.fee)+$8.75(Tire fee) Total out the door base on the information that you provide is $18237.41."
Should I take it? if not, what is a good counter offer?
are all those fees legit? like the foc fee sounds made up to me, but all dealers gave it to me.
please advice...
and BTW, what is the Honda website you say you got a low qoute? all I see is marketing stuff. only dealers give me quotes
i got the same 15,700 offer from 2 places. But the problem is the MT is hard to find, and no one seems to have stock, expect for grey color, which I absolutely do not want.
$15,905 from the above build your Fit Honda Website for manual sport & $16,700 for automatic sport, so you're getting it for about $100 MSRP, which is about what most folks are paying.
Are you doing any trade-in?
I was alarmed at the prices I saw here, but I guess it is because I didn't realize they are talking about Manual, not AT...
so if I got with AT, this is a good price I guess?
anyone wants or can convince me that I should go with Manual? myself I don't mine manual, but I thought that re-sell will be easy with AT (plus the wise prefers it (-: )
thanks
You can't negotiate the doc fee. They must charge the same fee to everyone. Even the dealer pays the doc fee if he buys a car from his dealership, though he may sell himself the car for cost. Negotiate the price of the car, not the doc fee. Doc fees can range from $50.00 to $700.00. It is just built in profit, but they must charge it to everybody once they set the doc fee.
You can get the mud gaurds for $52.00 on line.
Should you take the deal?? Fits are in short supply, so I would probably pay the premium of 400+ dollars. It's not that much if it's the car you want. I don't see the shortage of Fits getting any better in the near future. Honda is still a year or two from building a plant here in the US to boost Fit production. JDM (made in japan) Fits will then be in short supply in the US if that has any bearing on your decision. Personally, I wanted a JDM Fit. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
I don't buy that crap that Fit's are in short supply...it's a HONDA...it's a MASS PRODUCED CAR. You know what's in short supply? A Ferrari 430, a 911 Turbo, a Lamborghini Gallardo...those are in short supply...NOT a Fit...
Please...
I guess you haven't tried to buy one To be fair, when I bought mine in Nov '05 there was no supply...they left the dealer as soon as they came in, but it sounds as though now the supply still isn't that great. You can tell this just by going to a few different dealers and seeing if they'll negotiate. If they can sell to customers for MSRP plus fees easily, then there's no reason for a dealer to negotiate.
Now they are pretty easy to find.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Not in my area (Minneapolis-St. Paul). Here, to this day you virtuall never find a Fit sitting on a lot. The supply issue has changed little since my wife and I got a Fit back in October 2006, at least in this neck of the woods.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Most are presold before they arrive.
The chance is that there will be no difference, but it never hurts to ask. I myself prefer to get quotes through dealerships' internet sales. Our 2007 Fit was priced the same through that channel as the floor people, but the transaction felt much smoother. We have bought two Hondas that way.
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First, I calculated what the car theoretically SHOULD cost:
Cost of Car
-Invoice, including destination = 15355
-MSRP, including destination = 15905
Sales Tax
-Sales tax for the State of Arizona is 5.6%
-Pima County adds an additional 0.5%
-The cities in Pima county add an additional 2.0% (except South Tucson, which adds 2.5%) bringing the total in Pima county to 8.1%
-Maricopa County adds and additional 0.7%
-The cities in Maricopa county add an additional 1.5 - 3.0%, bringing the total in Maricopa County to 7.8 - 9.3%
Title, Registration, Etc. (info obtained from the Motor Vehicle Division website)
-Title in Arizona is $4
-Registration in Arizona is $8
-tire tax $5
-Vehicle license tax (VLT) on new vehicles: The assessed value of the vehicle is 60% of the base retail price. Assessed value of the Fit Sport Manual = 15905 x 0.6 = $9543. The tax is 2.8% of the assesed value = 9543 x 0.028 = 267.20
My calcuations:
Scenario A) if you get the car for invoice
-cost of car including destination charge 15355
-sales tax (8.1% assumed) 1243.76
-title 4
-registration 8
-tire tax 5
-vehicle license tax (VLT) 267.20
----TOTAL = cost of car (15355) + all taxes, fees, etc (1527.96) = total 16882.96
Scenario if you get the car for MSRP
-cost of car including destination charge15905
-sales tax (8.1% assumed) 1288.31
-title 4
-registration 8
-tire tax 5
-vehicle license tax (VLT) 267.20
----TOTAL = cost of car (15905) + all taxes, fees, etc (1572.51) = total 17477.51
-Given the recent high demand for this car, and the fact that almost no one seems to be able to get the car for significantly less than MSRP (OK, sometimes they sell for less than MSRP but then add a doc fee to make up for it), I considered ~17,500 out-the-door an OK and realistic figure, although I had hopes of getting a lower price.
-Anything above these prices (i.e. doc fee, vehicle theft registration [VTR], etc) is pure extra proffit for the dealers.
-Antoher way to interpret these calculations is take the out-the-door fee you are quoted, subtract about $1550, and the result is what they are really charging you for the car [in Southern Arizona]...compare this number to the invoice and MSRP.
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Second, I e-mailed a total of eleven dealers in southern arizona, both in the Tucson and Phoenix areas. I made it clear that we did not want any options or dealer add-ons. I asked for out-the-door quotes with breakdown of all taxes, fees, doc, title, license, registration, etc, and put all the info into a spreadsheet. It is amazing that three of the dealers gave quotes which did not add up correctly and some follow-up e-mail for clarification was needed. A couple of dealers did not give a breakdown of the taxes and fees, but a few follow-up e-mails fixed that.
Three dealers never did respond and were promptly dropped from consideration
-Right Honda (Scottsdale)
-Earndhart (Avondale)
-Lawley (Sierra Vista)
Bell Honda (Pheonix) did respond, but after a lot of wasted time e-mailing, was never firm in their quote. They just gave MRSP and invoice pricing, and I could never get them to give a firm number out-the-door. I would suggest skipping them if you are internet buying, as the primary goal of their internet divison seems to be to get you to come down to the dealership.
Seven dealers gave quotes - initial out-the-door quotes ranged from a low of $17,440 to a high of $18,320:
17,440-Tempe
17,500-Chapman (Tucson)
17,620-Arrowhead (Peoria)
17,660-Dobbs (Tucson)
17,800-Superstition Springs (Mesa)
18,040-Showcase (Phoenix)
18,320-San Tan (Chandler)
Comparing the different dealers' prices side-by-side was an education. Of course, some would low-ball the actual car price, but then make up for it with higher documentation fees or by adding vehicle theft registraion (VTR), Automate or other BS add-ons.
Price ranges from the above seven quotes:
-Car + destination = 15,500 to 16230 (compare to invoice of 15355 and MSRP of 15905)
-Sales tax = 1260 to 1320 based on local tax rate
-Title/Registration/License = 270 to 310 (I don't know how they can charge 310 since the vehicle license tax is based on MRSP and title and reg are fixed prices!!!)
-Documentation fee (pure proffit) = all dealers included this BS charge of 300 to 370
-Vehicle theft registration (pure proffit) = only two dealers included this BS charge of 200
-Automate = one dealer included this bs add-on of 180
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-Lastly, we took the lowest few out-the-door prices and played these dealers off of each other to get a lower price. Unfortunatley, these dealers would only budge by $50 to 150 off their original quotes. The lowest final quote we got was about $17,300. In the end, we decided to buy at Chapman Honda in Tucson at a slightly higher price, rather than driving a couple hours to save $150.
-We also looked briefly into the Costco Auto Buying Program. San Tan in Chandler is the Honda dealer for Costco in Southern Arizona. The quoted price was competetive, and much lower that dealer's quoted internet price (which was the highest internet quote we got), but still was several hundred dollars above our lowest internet quote, and they would not budge on the price. [Note: the dealers must pay a fee to be part of the Costco Auto-Buying Program!!!]
-Our final out-the-door price was approx $17,450 (or $15,880 [essentially MSRP] plus the minimum required in sales tax, title, registration, vehicle license tax, and tire tax) We did end up having to wait about three weeks for delivery of the color we wanted.
When we bought our Fit, no delaership in our area had a Fit available for a test drive. The system was, and still is, that you leave a deposit and when your vehicle arrives, you test-drive it. If you don't like it, you need not take the car, and the dealership refunds the deposit. Every dealership was selling the FIt at exactly MSRP, so we chose the dealership on the basis of OTD, which did not vary by even 50 bucks. This arrangement was not a problem for us because I had driven a Fit all day long when I was in Japan in 2005, meaning that the test drive had been done then.
When we bought our Civic, we got the "bids" frist off the internet, test-drove one at the lowest bidder, haggled further, and then bought the car. I think that getting a bid first and then showing up to test drive makes the salesperson more serious about you, thus not wasting any time for us or him/her.
also took a [non-permissible content removed] honda civic in for a very good trade in.
16100 + 199+ tax = on the road price. the salesmen went below invoice. I was fighting for 500 below invoice of 16122 (carsdirect.com)
But the clutch peddal felt like its place rather high. It felt more like I am pushing down on it rather pushing it in (more vertical movemenet that horizontal movement)
was i just sitting kind of funny or has anyone else felt the same way? Other than that this was by far the easiest clutch to operate and lightest too.
And kind of out of topic but does anyone know how to get rid of smoke smell out of the car? I am thinking of buying one used but it does smell like it was owned by smoker.
No, it's not just you. The clutch pedal position is awkward, and I noticed it on my test drive, but I bought the car anyway. I've had mine for a year on March 12th (love it!), but that's one thing that's never really changed - I'm still not that good at shifting because of the clutch pedal position. My Tercel was super easy to drive smoothly, and I had it for 22 years. I'm wondering how long before I'm good at driving my Fit.
Maybe re-read that website, because that seems waaaay off.
This is my 2nd Fit - I bought another new fit, same car, in Blaze Orange, in Dec 2007 for $16,323 for my son - so that deal was $156 more than the 2nd one.
Does anyone have any other numbers lower so I can show the dealer? I think I should be able to get the Exst Warranty for around $500 - which is what I paid on my 2008 Prius a month ago. This is a Honda of course, different dealer, but pricing should be about the same.
Thanks for any inputs. I have to made a decision my Monday when I return witih my son to pay for the car.
Scott
The dealer may not be far off on his cost for the extended warranty.. I don't think I'd get that, either... but, we have a whole discussion on that, here: Honda Extended Warranties Pricing and Info
regards,
kyfdx
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Save your money and tell the dealer to sell the LoJack and extended warranty to someone more gullible.
Thanks for saving me $400!
sc
Internet bids from 4 dealers.
15,600 out-the-door.