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http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/335iSedan/techdata.htm
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Until you hit the first turn....
Anyhoo, I'd rather have the 335 over the 320d anyday..
Tony
If you don't care, I'd go with the xi; it's rear biased anyway...
Anyhoo, I'd rather have the 335 over the 320d anyday.
For sure. My point is that BMW and others ought to stop shortchanging US market buyers. But in a culture where some people will go running to a lawyer to redress any perceived grievance, the manufacturers' cynicism is understandable.
Driving in the UK used to be a pleasure. Now, speed cameras are everywhere, there is paint all over rural roads to separate traffic, 60 limits are going down to 50 and 40, and there is a dour, politically correct, pro-tax (Green or any other pretext that fits), anti-car culture at the top. Now that Australia's Northern Territories has imposed a speed limit, I think only Germany's autobahn and rural roads on the Isle of Man remain derestricted.
Said another way, get the 335i SP and a good set of winter wheels and tires. ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
I'm trying to figure out why drivers in the U.S. would even care, errr, unless they're picking their cars up in Munich via the ED program. I did that with my 530i, and while in Europe I did in fact enjoy driving at would be license revocation speeds here in the U.S., however, once on our side of the pond, I don't think I ever got it up over 120, and that was for a VERY short distance.
The fact of the matter is that if any given driver is willing to make sure their non-SP car (which comes with H rated 130 mph rubber) has V rated rubber (or better) and is willing to pop for a Dinan "Chip", they can do 150 or better all day long. Ummm, until of course the local constabulary takes exception to the speed at which they're driving. That said, most folks who "want" to have a car that goes that fast (for bragging rights or because they think they're going to be driving that fast) will simply opt for the SP and be done with it. Think about it this way, on the 3-Series, the SP is what, $1,600? Given all of the upgrades that that package entails, it's an absolute bargain.
Best Regards,
Shipo
What isn't understandable, frankly, is what level of ignorance it takes to actually think an electronic limit of 150 mph in a BMW 335i is "shortchanging" ANYBODY: Consider this:
- I have a friend who had a 2001 911 Turbo modified to over 520 hp at the wheels. It was timed at 3.3 seconds to 60 and 11.0 seconds in the 1/4 mile. The car had a top speed of well over 190 mph. As a very accomplished driver, the fastest he ever got it on a track (Summit Point) was 145 mph, on their longest straightaway.
- Road and Track, in March 2005, had their "Best All-Around Sports Car" comparison, conducted at Buttonwillow Raceway Park. With professional drivers behind the wheel of 9 sports cars, and a banked turn leading to a 1/2+ mile straightaway, the fastest speed achieved was 142.0 in a Viper. The 911S I happen to own, with a top speed of 182, hit 138.4 mph. The BMW Z4 3.0 could only manage 123.4 mph.
My point is that, even with my 911S's top speed of 182, unless I go to Bonneville Salt Flats, I will never, ever see close to that. With the BMW 335i, and a top speed of, perhaps 160-165, it would take 45+ seconds to get to 155 mph. Do the math. You aren't going to get there in less than 2+ miles of pedal to the metal acceleration.
If you think you've been shortchanged, you either live in Bonneville, Utah or you drive like an idiot. Or perhaps need to take remedial math classes. In any event, your pocket is full of all the change you have coming from BMW.
...and if interest in cars were a rational pursuit, we'd all be driving Camrys.
Would you consider a 335 to replace your TL?
Regards,
OW
What were the differences in driving feel in the 2 cars? What do you miss about the TL and what do you prefer better in th 3'er?
Regards,
OW
Right now, my dilemma is that I haven't been putting that many miles on the TL. The 997 model 911, with its adjustable suspension, is a pretty good daily driver. I've actually considered selling the TL outright and un-retiring my 1995 Maxima from our second home. That car still holds a soft spot in my heart and reminds me of who I really am, in spite of my recent "good luck".
Now if I decided to get rid of the 911, I would definitely consider a 335i as a potential replacment for the TL. I would also consider the 550i 6-speed. The 330i in 2004 was a little tight for a long family trip, but I think that the new 335i might be just right. A "boat" by bluguydotcoms standards, but a damn nice boat by mine.
To answer your question, no. But a 90 mph limiter on a 911S is a little more restrictive than a 130 mph limiter on a non-sport package equiped 3-series. And, as was pointed out by others, almost any serious driver would opt for the sport package taking it to 150 mph.
As far as using the full capabilities of a car, I partially agree with you. But with any sports car or performance sedan, I would expect to get much closer to using its limits in terms of acceleration, cornering, and braking than its top speed.
Supposedly, my Acura TL 6-speed has an unrestricted top speed of 152. Anyone that would drive a FWD sedan over 125 mph is asking for a coffin. Even anyone that would drive a BMW 3-series over 130 without the sport package and tires would be next in line. I'll confess that last summer on a deserted section of divided highway, I took my 911 up to 115 mph (from 0 in about 13 seconds) and then "played" with the steering. Solid as a rock. I then hit the brakes to bring it down to 65 when I saw another car approaching from the other direction. It was like a parachute had been deployed. A big one. Other than a sports package equiped 335i, I wouldn't try that with any ELLPS. At least not if I didn't have a change of underwear with me. The danger isn't in going 115/130/140/150 in a straight line on smooth pavement. It's what happens when something else happens and you need to be able to control the bullet you are attached to.
As you may recall, even a gust of wind took a Ferrari Enzo off the road in a rally event that made the nightly news a couple of years ago and the driver was bagged up in several pieces. It was "only" going about 180, well short of its 200+ mph top speed.
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The BMW is less powerful, a base 1st year car, but I just like it better. It makes me feel good when I drive it. I like the agile, alive feel of the wheel, the tasteful design of the dash with clear, no-nonsense instrumentation, nicely weighted shift and clutch. Notwithstanding recent posts, it feels as though it were designed to be driven fast, settling down nicely, whereas the Acura did not. Feel-wise, it all comes together. I don't have an issue with the RE050 runflats on the car, and really like the handling, but others who know cars and have experience with BMWs over the years don't like the tires, so you have to see what you think. Note that with ZSP the 2007 328i sedan has more tire sidewall than the 335i (17 v 18" wheels). I hope to keep this one for a while, at least until they build something as beautiful as the 3.0 CSi again.
Oh, and if you live in the snow belt, you'll be needing a set of cheap wheels and winter tires.
Hmmm, I don't suppose it was because in Japan they use Right Hand Drive cars so that they can drive on the left side of the road. Yes, no?
Best Regards,
Shipo
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My first post to this thread. I'm usually on the HELC forum (High End Luxury Car) and recently on the 911 forum. I recognize Dewey from the HELC forum, who recently acquired his nice 335i, and I recognize habitat1 from the 911 thread.
I own an '07 Carrera S Cab, my third Porsche, and so far it's a good one, but it's still very early.
But, the bug has bitten me for the upcoming 2008 BMW 335i Convertible with that sweet 300 hp twin-turbo engine. I'm thinking of getting one in the spring or summer, shortly after its release.
Dewey has said that the engine is awesome, and I just wanted to join in here a bit and find out from you guys about the current 335i model and how it's been so far for those of you that own one, and those of you that know about it. Thanks... look forward to posting with you.
TagMan
I will be looking at a 335 when my current lease expires on my 330.
Here is a new report of a tuner package that is currently in the late stages of beta testing. Everyone knew this was a matter of time with the new turbo system.
It's interesting to note that this particular system seems quite balanced at delivering a boost to an already potent package.
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Regards,
OW
Tony (dreaming of a 335i coupe)
Regards,
OW
And turn it into a 3,700+ lb sport coupe/sedan? No thanks. If BMW (or the tuner) can't figure out how to "reign in" all of those ponies in a RWD set up with the proper suspension and wheel/tire modifications, shame on them. :confuse:
The "x" versions of the BMWs I've driven may be great cars for all season duty in a rainy or snowy climate, but they give up too much in handling and nimbleness. It's bad enough that a RWD 3 series coupe weighs 500 lbs more than my old 1995 Nissan Maxima 5 passenger sedan. Let's not promote the idea that a 3 series coupe weighing as much as a 15 year old 7 series is the right direction. We already have Audi claiming title to King of Pork, let's leave well enough alone.
Yeah, it's a porker but it's WAYYYY better than my 2004 Lincoln LS in the handling despite it's added weight (very close to the LS).
With the bigger brakes and whatever suspension tuning they do, it works for me.
Regards,
OW
I'm not quite as extreme as blueguydotcom in my criticism of the evolving larger size and weight of the 3-series. But if you were taking a 335i and then further tuning it for more "sport", I'd personally prefer RWD, lower overall weight and nearly perfect 50/50 weight balance. That said, you'll get no argument from me that a 330ix (and future 335ix) would run circles around a Lincoln LS in handling and driving dynamics. Or virtually all other cars in their class.
I'd partially agree, in that a 2007 3 series is probably as big as a 1992 5 series was. However, I wouldn't be so quick to make excuses for, what in some cases is a 15-20% gain in weight. My 3,001 lb 1995 Maxima SE has power windows, airbags, a stiffer sport suspension, ABS brakes, etc. And it had 4/5 star crash ratings. Compared to my similarly sized 3,480 lb 2004 Acura TL 6-speed, I would be curious as to what really makes up that 480 lb difference. A few more airbags and a fancy navigation system don't add up to 12 forty pound sacks of potatoes.
That's not to say that the weight gain is unjustified. But if you are going in the direction of wanting a great handling sports car or coupe, I'd rather see more use of lightweight alloys and engineering refinements than simply trying to offset weight with horsepower. Case in point the 2,850 +/- pound Boxster and S2000 compared to the 3,500 lb 350Z convertible. Quality vs. quantity.
I believe the Europeans are the target for the focus on the MPG where gas is 3X higher than the US. I agree for stateside is a moot point in this category because even though weight is up, as habitat points out, the increased drivetrain performance easily has compensated in efficiency to absorb the added lbs. (or kgs.).
I believe that is the a key reason why BMW have stuck with the 6 so long. Honda has the same position. Only the ultra luxury/performance models have migrated to 8,10,12 sleeves.
Regards,
OW
This is something that's been gone over many times. I care about MPG because of dependance of foreign oil, who the money goes to, the environment, what's going to happen when oil runs out, etc. Personally, i don't see how someone can NOT care about this.
I agree, money is not the issue. Even at $3.50 a gallon, it's far from the major expense of owning a car.
It's really exciting to see a separate electric motor for each axle also. I saw a Japanese prototype of a super luxo wheel limousine with 100 HP at each wheel and steering as well. Cool stuff.
There is also a T-0 prototype electric sports car that blows away a Porsche Carrera in the 1/4!
Regards,
OW
Maybe. I think it's more likely that we'll first see a diesel three with the same numbers... I'm in favor of diesel currently, but hybrid technology may blow away what we've got sooner than we think.
I'm not into the whole bragging about power thing, at least not for my car. If i want to puff, i'll point out my 312# bench press.
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I do like the rags real world mileage. The EPA MPG doesn't always jive with me. Some vehicles I get better, some worse. Way back...I had a civic...but could only get 26 mpg...taking it to red line all day does that; but that's where the power is...and my driving style demands most of the power
The power reference was comparing electric motors to the old tech oil burners. It's really cool when all you that hear is wind as you are pinned back into the seat not the grunt and puff of the engine. Nostalgic but not really good for the environment in terms of noise and air pollution.
Regards,
OW
Regards,
OW
312?? Come on, any one who has hit the weight room knows the "triple doughnut" is 315 pounds. I don't even think you can load a standard barbell to exactly 312 pounds, given the smallest plates are 2.5 lbs in my gym. So what gives? Please don't tell me you aren't using one of those girlish Bowflex rubber band machines.
You've got me beat on the bench, but how's 30 dips with a 35 pound dumbell between your ankles? That's my pre-rotator cuff surgery record that I'm shooting to beat by mid summer
I'm not sure how i feel about this. Do you personally have an electric car so that you know how cool it is? Personally, i like a good engine note, and frankly, in normal driving i never notice it. Of course, under WOT is different.
My main problem with hybrids now is that i'm not convinced that they are currently good for the enviroment. They burn less gas, but does that offset the extra construction, disposal, and operating costs, in both energy and pollution, and possibly shorter lifetime? I dunno.
And, yes, habi, i meant to type 315. Good catch. I was racing a friend once, and that was the goal. Much more fun that cardio training--lift, stuff face, rest.
Not sure about the dips, i always do 'em at the end, no weight, 10-20 reps depending on how much i've burned myself out. But i'll give ya that one in any case.
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I hope auto companies such as BMW decide to go electric sooner rather than later. It is a major step to remove the basis for most contemporary wars. (They used to wage wars predominantly over trade.) It's past time we begin eliminateing this current "reason" for conflict.
Regards,
OW
Just a couple of questions for you. Is it a factory authorized modification? Added by the dealer? What happens to the factory warranty?
TagMan
This is NOT authorized by the factory. Apparently, it is supposed to be non-detectable.
Here are some FAQ's.
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OW